Critical Miss: Sexism and/or Racism

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"And i find your stereotyping of the gamer as someone who genuinely was against indicative of the female attitude towards gamers, particularly male."

"That's a no sex attitude if i EVER saw one."

"And by that I mean you're right as always, honey, is very, very important and you're right to be upset. You're beautiful. How did i score a fox like you? God must have blessed me like moses 'cuz..."
 

Cephei Mordred

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Between women having egos just like normal human beings, as well as being the sexual selectors of the species (at least until something happens to make the pursuing equal amongst genders), tell me, why should a woman want to have sex with a man who offends her, even if he doesn't mean to or is being completely rational?
 

Urgh76

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Grey Carter said:
That Diana joke, holy shit.
Or the Hammond joke.

Thing was, QI actually addressed this...


And haven't Lucy Porter, Fiona Allen, Jo Brand, Jo Caulfield, Lauren Laverne, Shappi Khorsandi been on?

Sarah Millican and Andi Osho are often on, and they're fantastic.

On the subject of Jo Brand

Jo Brand said:
?What?s the way to a man?s heart? Straight through the chest with a kitchen knife!?
Yeah...I can see even Frankie getting booed off for gender-reversing that.
Wow, that was great xD

Great comic as always
 

PunkRex

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If you would like to explain why you find said issue to be "indicative of the gaming industry's dismissive attitude towards women" as to help me decide whether or not you are a stupid whore.
 

tyriless

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A call for reason and self examination on the internet wrapped up in an easily digestible comic strip format. Bravo.
 

Iron Lightning

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mcnally86 said:
Vault Citizen said:
Mark D. Stroyer said:
I wholly support forum ques.

But where'd it come from this time?
Possibly the "joke" someone put in a piece of Dead Island coding, calling a female character a feminist whore in code for a skill that would do extra damage against male zombies.
Could be because dead island seems to blame back people for zombies. The story line leaves it open to a few possibilities but there are collectable facts that are pretty unanimous in who they blame.
What, really? This is the first I've heard of it. Please tell me how this happens.
 

mcnally86

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Iron Lightning said:
mcnally86 said:
Vault Citizen said:
Mark D. Stroyer said:
I wholly support forum ques.

But where'd it come from this time?
Possibly the "joke" someone put in a piece of Dead Island coding, calling a female character a feminist whore in code for a skill that would do extra damage against male zombies.
Could be because dead island seems to blame back people for zombies. The story line leaves it open to a few possibilities but there are collectable facts that are pretty unanimous in who they blame.
What, really? This is the first I've heard of it. Please tell me how this happens.
The story has lots of people blaming it on each other. Basically it goes back and forth between militarily and some lab in the jungle most of the time. Military does a suspicious quarantine but not helping people thing and the lab has lots of zombie filled cages. They claim they were doing horrible animal testing and switched to zombie testing to find a cure. Well all the time you find these newspaper excerpts that say things like, "AIDS comes from Africa" and "Black Tribesmen might carry a horrible disease they are not susceptible to", or "in the ghetto there are folks called raskols so shoot people them on site."
 

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Damn you to hell!

Racism. Sexism... I don't see the problem. If everyone just got over themselves and developed a sense of humor this world could actually be kinda cool.

Oh my god! He just said fag! Quick, fetch me my sword of righteousness!

What?! He called that woman a female? Why would he do something so evil! Another must burn!

That's what everyone sounds like. Not kidding. Fucking losers.

And the comic was hilarious. Just in case you were wondering.
 

Cephei Mordred

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I'd be more inclined to take things seriously if it wasn't basically "insulting white guys isn't so bad but insulting a woman or a minority is evidence of systemic racism and means we're one step away from another Kristallnacht."

In a society trying to go towards true equality, identity politics has no place.
 

Revolutionary

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I wholeheartedly believe that the Dead Island thing was one of the biggest mountain out of a Mole-hill Scenarios I've ever seen. I like the perspective in this comic.
 

Tharwen

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This is basically just a more sarcastic version of Grey's twitter feed.

Everyone must follow it.
 

ChillShark

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Back in the day, when only a few people had dial-up connections, you could read a discussion on the nets that wasn't that horrible. But it still wasn't magazine edited quality. Now that everyone has a broadband, wi-fi, and 3G connection, the internet is riffled with inane crap spout from the simple minds of the "lay-man". I blame social networking for this!
 

putowtin

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Nice one!

I'm sure I've seen that que many a time, but generally walk past it and carry on to the pub
 

Therumancer

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The problem is that sexism and racism are accusations that are by and large used because they are good for rabble rousing and carry political weight. If you ignore them, or try and deal with such accusations entirely rationally, they can taint whatever they are thrown at.

The reason why this is an issue is that sexism and racism are dead as mainstream phenomenas, you see it only on the fringes of society. Mainstream society has however not yet come to grips with this as they were big issues, and despite virtually nobody being racist or sexist everyone still seems to somehow think that there are lots of these people around, and that by being tolerant they are part of some kind of elite minority. This is why HUGE media blitzes and such take place when such accusations are made, with tons of people rallying behind the issue, but nothing there, or no substantial representation of the other side, because there is actually nobody there to seriously act as opposition. Right now such accusations exist to harness this "power" in order to garner attention/five minutes of fame, or to rally people for political purposes against some enemy that doesn't actually exist. For the most part racism and sexism in modern American society occupy the same role as the non-existant monsters in the old move "The Village", with some fringe freak occasionally trotted out (much like a dude in a creature suit) just long enough to keep this valuable social tool viable and the illusion alive.

Racism and sexism also provide a conveinent tool for people to blame their own failings on. If your a minority you can blame "whitey" in a nebulous sense without having to actually make much in the way of specific accusations. For a woman they can blame sexism and how it's all the men keeping them down. It's easier than to face the reality of one's limitations, or the hard work of having to fit in with society. Blaming an omnipresent, nebulous enemy is the ultimate excuse. For the most part today someone who invokes racism or sexism is in a similar boat to a sadistic seriel killer saying "well, society made me do this", it's just that in this case society has yet to catch up to reality.

As a result, accusations of sexism and racism need to be vigorously shut down and persecuted much like happened to actual sexism and racism, with just as much ruthless, sadisttic, enthusiasm as groups of racists like the KKK have been treated. It falls to the people who see these accusations for what they are to carry the torch until the rest of society catches up. With time I hope to see things get to the point where someone who cries "racism" is treated the same way as someone yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater, or dealt with with as much predjudice as someone giving a speech about inherant racial superiority/inferiority.

In short, I more or less disagree with the point of this paticular strip, if anything I think the response to such accusations are not extreme enough, largely because the people making the accusations have yet to face any real repurcussions for their actions, officially or not.
 

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jawakiller said:
Damn you to hell!

Racism. Sexism... I don't see the problem. If everyone just got over themselves and developed a sense of humor this world could actually be kinda cool.

Oh my god! He just said fag! Quick, fetch me my sword of righteousness!

What?! He called that woman a female? Why would he do something so evil! Another must burn!

That's what everyone sounds like. Not kidding. Fucking losers.

And the comic was hilarious. Just in case you were wondering.

This, I gotta disagree with. Not everyone has to conform to your sense of humor, or a set sense of humor for everyone to get along. Not everyone finds the things we find funny. I'm sure there are things you don't find funny. If a random stranger came up to you and called you stupid, chances are you'll get miffed at them.

Therumancer said:
Racism and sexism also provide a conveinent tool for people to blame their own failings on. If your a minority you can blame "whitey" in a nebulous sense without having to actually make much in the way of specific accusations. For a woman they can blame sexism and how it's all the men keeping them down. It's easier than to face the reality of one's limitations, or the hard work of having to fit in with society. Blaming an omnipresent, nebulous enemy is the ultimate excuse. For the most part today someone who invokes racism or sexism is in a similar boat to a sadistic seriel killer saying "well, society made me do this", it's just that in this case society has yet to catch up to reality.

As a result, accusations of sexism and racism need to be vigorously shut down and persecuted much like happened to actual sexism and racism, with just as much ruthless, sadisttic, enthusiasm as groups of racists like the KKK have been treated. It falls to the people who see these accusations for what they are to carry the torch until the rest of society catches up. With time I hope to see things get to the point where someone who cries "racism" is treated the same way as someone yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater, or dealt with with as much predjudice as someone giving a speech about inherant racial superiority/inferiority.
But I gotta wholeheartedly disagree with the post qouted directly above. For one thing, you pretty much said that it's minorities and women who are the one complaining, because they are usually the ones with the fallings. For one thing, white men can also blame minorities and/or women to compensate for their failings as well. It works both ways, and is seen somewhat often. Because racism and sexism exists, and it effects everyone. It isn't about minorities/women blaming everyhing on whites. That's not what racism means. Don't get me wrong, you will find plenty of minorities blaming mcuh on "whitey". I see i plenty of times. But one trip through the internet will tell you that it sorta goes both ways. I gotta roll my eyes whenever I run into a "black people suck, because they blame everything on whites, that's why they fail" posts. Racism doesn't always have to be blunt, in fyour face, KKK crap to be considered racism.

Part of the problem is that people seem to think that racism is a dead issue, and only those that talk about it are at fault. No. Racism and sexism exists very much today. On BOTH ends of the field. However, that does not mean that every issue in the world is about racism/sexism. I do think things are far too PC. Unfortunately, I also see people use tjhe "You're being too PC" card used whenever they want to claim something ill of women/minorities/majorities/whatever. Example:

A:"I think asians are filthy bastards"
B:"Please, shut up, ya moron"
A:"ZOMG CENSUSHIP! UR BEIN 2 PC!!!11!"

Which ironically is what that comic was about, heh.


But about the Dead Island "controversy", I don't think it was a huge deal, at all. However, I'm grown and mature enough to realize that it shouldn't have happend. That "feminist whore" comment had nothing to do with the game at all. It was something directly from the devs, which can make people feel uncomfortable. Duke Nukem is pretty sexist, but at least that's in character (doesn't make his game any less sucky, however. Wocka Wocka!). This...was not part of character. Sorta like a comedian who stops making jokes and starts getting serious. When it comes to comedy or fiction in general, it's sort of like a pact between the comedian and the audience, in that everything that he/she says will be part of a joke. We get that, and can laugh with them. However, the second it stops being a joke, is when that pact falters. Sorta like that incident with Kramer. It was all fun and games till he started getting serious. Ignoring the fact that he wasn't funny to begin with.
 

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jawakiller said:
Damn you to hell!

Racism. Sexism... I don't see the problem. If everyone just got over themselves and developed a sense of humor this world could actually be kinda cool.

Oh my god! He just said fag! Quick, fetch me my sword of righteousness!

What?! He called that woman a female? Why would he do something so evil! Another must burn!

That's what everyone sounds like. Not kidding. Fucking losers.

And the comic was hilarious. Just in case you were wondering.
Basically this! Everyone now a days is a hypocritical, over-zealous, self-righteous prick willing to put themselves up on a pedestal and attack others for cracking a few jokes based off of sexism or stereotypes.

Offensive? Yes, but they act like the person making such jokes holds those beliefs.

[HEADING=2]Well I'll just leave this to Noob's opinion now.



Still feel like being a knee-jerking, overly-sensitive hypocrite now?[/HEADING]
 

simple64

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Madara XIII said:
Basically this! Everyone now a days is a hypocritical, over-zealous, self-righteous prick willing to put themselves up on a pedestal and attack others for cracking a few jokes based off of sexism or stereotypes.

Offensive? Yes, but they act like the person making such jokes holds those beliefs.

[HEADING=2]Well I'll just leave this to Noob's opinion now.



Still feel like being a knee-jerking, overly-sensitive hypocrite now?[/HEADING]
That's the thing. If it's all in the sense of being a joke, then I'm all for it. When it's clear to the audience that it's a joke, then cool. When it ain't, then...
 

Therumancer

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simple64 said:
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But I gotta wholeheartedly disagree with the post qouted directly above. For one thing, you pretty much said that it's minorities and women who are the one complaining, because they are usually the ones with the fallings. For one thing, white men can also blame minorities and/or women to compensate for their failings as well. It works both ways, and is seen somewhat often. Because racism and sexism exists, and it effects everyone. It isn't about minorities/women blaming everyhing on whites. That's not what racism means. Don't get me wrong, you will find plenty of minorities blaming mcuh on "whitey". I see i plenty of times. But one trip through the internet will tell you that it sorta goes both ways. I gotta roll my eyes whenever I run into a "black people suck, because they blame everything on whites, that's why they fail" posts. Racism doesn't always have to be blunt, in fyour face, KKK crap to be considered racism.

Part of the problem is that people seem to think that racism is a dead issue, and only those that talk about it are at fault. No. Racism and sexism exists very much today. On BOTH ends of the field. However, that does not mean that every issue in the world is about racism/sexism. I do think things are far too PC. Unfortunately, I also see people use tjhe "You're being too PC" card used whenever they want to claim something ill of women/minorities/majorities/whatever. Example:

A:"I think asians are filthy bastards"
B:"Please, shut up, ya moron"
A:"ZOMG CENSUSHIP! UR BEIN 2 PC!!!11!"

Which ironically is what that comic was about, heh.


But about the Dead Island "controversy", I don't think it was a huge deal, at all. However, I'm grown and mature enough to realize that it shouldn't have happend. That "feminist whore" comment had nothing to do with the game at all. It was something directly from the devs, which can make people feel uncomfortable. Duke Nukem is pretty sexist, but at least that's in character (doesn't make his game any less sucky, however. Wocka Wocka!). This...was not part of character. Sorta like a comedian who stops making jokes and starts getting serious. When it comes to comedy or fiction in general, it's sort of like a pact between the comedian and the audience, in that everything that he/she says will be part of a joke. We get that, and can laugh with them. However, the second it stops being a joke, is when that pact falters. Sorta like that incident with Kramer. It was all fun and games till he started getting serious. Ignoring the fact that he wasn't funny to begin with.

Actually to be racist or sexist you have to believe in the inherant inferiority or superiority of one group of people compared to another (or compared to all others).

Mostly what you see today is people being judged not by their race of gender, but by their behavior. The problem with things like "political correctness" is that it causes problems to continue by preventing issues from being addressed. In the US in paticular we have a problem where tolerance has gotten to the point where minorities are not assimilating into American society as they are supposed to, and rather creating opposing counter-cultures that bring about a lot of the problems. The issue are things like say "Chinatown districts" where people who come into the US insist on living like they are in China, don't adapt to the rest of the culture, and might not even bother to learn the language, then when they cause problems due to not fitting in or themselves being offensive try and act like the majority are the bad guys. The same can be said (on various topics) about a lot of situations.

See, the thing is that where racism doesn't really exist as a mainstream phenomena, cultural conflict does, as do the people who use the boogieman of racism to reinforce those cultural divides for political purposes. The mainstream is not discriminating against minorities or women, but do have to deal with things like affirmitive action and political correctness which doesn't help assimilation and keeps the style of conflict we actually see going. The fastest way to piss someone off is to give someone else who intentionally doesn't want to even try to fit in special rights, and/or define them as being beyond criticism for their behavior.

In general your arguements come down to what in college they called the "Invisible Knapsack Theory" which has been rather solidly debunked. The "Invisible Knapsack" is the idea that there is this giant knapsack full of things that the majority takes for granted that minorities do not posses and thus form racism. Such as the simple fact that a member of the majority can ask to see the person in charge, and the odds greatly favor it being someone from their own ethnicity, and so on.

The reason why that theory has been trashed as a bunch of liberal bunk, is simply because minority groups by their very nature are outnumbered, so the odds are always going to be against them in any society where they are a minority group. This applies to everything from the people running society, to intitutions like the media and pop culture.

In general most "invisible knapsack" arguements are made using a single race in comparison to the majority, and overlook the sheer number of minorities out there. If you argue for more blacks, what about asians, hispanics, and all these other groups? You can't have one of everything in every media production or administration system. In any society where there is say one boss, the odds are going to greatly favor it's going to be from the majority. In any media production the cast is largely going to be made up of those representing the majority, and similar things. It's an impractical theory with no real connection to reality.

The point here is that there really aren't any racists in the mainstream, or any problems here, other than the have nots always argueing they should have more, and using anything to justify that position, with race or sex simply being a popular excuse. Nebulously blaming society for bigotry, or even narrowing it down to say a large company or whatever, is a way of getting attention without making much in the way of specific accusations (as in, this person is a racist, and he did this) because really there no racism involved. To find a real racist or sexist you really have to dig, and those people are rarely going to be in any kind of position of power or authority because of those same beliefs having made them pariahs.