Crowded Isolation

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NewClassic_v1legacy

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Families are together, friends are joyous with friends, work is filled with cheer, and radios will not stop playing the same song music all the time. It's the holidays, and nothing brings a sense of togetherness quite like having friends and family on your beck and call, and being around those you love, and love you in return.

The problem is a fleeting sense of self-importance when the holidays roll around. You get a good idea of just how important you are, as a friend or companion, spouse or loved one, when the season hits the height. Suddenly, the people you would see once a week for drinks or coffee have postponed the weekly meeting until the new year's come, or those co-worker friends you occasionally spend time with suddenly have others they'd rather see.

It's a very disheartening thing to discover that, on occasion, you become "that" friend. The one you will spend time with, if s/he approaches you, or the one you'll spend the day with, if s/he happens to be there. Otherwise, you won't call that friend, you won't invite that friend, and you won't make any efforts for that friend. I know, as I've been in my share of groups with that friend, and while I bear no malice for this sorrowful individual, it's a part of grouping that one must come to understand. And the discovery is often tuned down slightly by the fact that not every group usually identifies you as "that" friend. So, no matter how the winter snows fall, you aren't always that friend.

Well... Most of the time.

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This year, NewClassic has come to a rather disheartening conclusion. I'm that friend. The past five or six times I've been spending time with friends, I've rapidly been dismissed (with many apologies, sincere or otherwise) in favor of going to see a movie with someone else, or being swept aside in favor of other plans.

To be fair, most times it's in favor of people who've been out of town for months at a time, or family that's only in for the weekend. The problem is that it's so frequent. It seems like there's always somewhere else they'd rather be, than stuck shooting the breeze with not-so-old-man Nuke.

Be it because Nuke's always available, so no pressure to spend time is felt, or maybe because Nuke's a generally dislikable guy, I couldn't say. Something I do realize, when I look around close enough, is that for a guy who's spending a lot of time alone, there are three hells of a lot of me.

Everywhere, you can see that one guy walking around by himself, or the woman disparagingly checking her cell phone to see if someone is actually calling her (but is, in fact, the battery dying). It's amazing how such a crowded area can feel so cripplingly alone. And, scarily enough, there are hundreds, if not thousands of us, in any given city, doing the same thing we are.

But, perhaps I've spent too much time blathering about how lonely such a crowded world can feel, (while being rather self-absorbed in the process), and not enough time addressing the cause of the problem. Me.

And you.

Us.

We're the root cause of these problems. Every time we've decidedly not called someone, or gone out of our way to make sure someone wasn't informed of the party, we're contributing to the problem. Why aren't we taking more steps to remove "that friend" from the collection understanding. Why do we spend so long avoiding other people.

The thing that makes me think of it most is that I don't inherently dislikes all of my that friends, it's just that I don't find them entertaining. So, I call them because they aren't good. They aren't bad, they're often slightly better than decent, but I still don't make the effort? Why not?

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Something about the way the mind works, I suppose. Although, it does paint an oddly bleak picture on my understanding out how the human mind processes these things, or at least caters more to the "myself" than "everyone around me." How long have I been avoiding these people, and keeping them from being happy just because they aren't great? Who am I to judge?

So, I'm taking some steps to reduce my number of that friends, and increase my number of friends. I don't have to be the odd-man-out because I'm making myself, I can have more friends easily. Why subject myself, and them by proxy, to isolationism? Neither of us deserve it, so I'm taking steps to prevent it.

So, Escapists, how many of you have one or more of that friends? If so, why is/are s/he/they that way? Do you think you can ever change how you (sometimes fail to) approach these people?

Post-Script:
Apologies if this comes off as "Wah, wah, look at me." It just seemed a rather poignant way to introduce the idea, as that's how I came to this conclusion as well. In retrospect, it does look a little attention-mongering, for which I apologize. It will go unchanged; as it was a very effective tool for self-analysis and understanding.
 

Galletea

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I'm that friend too :( Oh well at least we're not disliked.
It's never bothered me too much, I tend to enjoy my own space. And I suppose if I need company, I have a man.
 

Akas

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It's painful to live alone, no matter how much you hate the world. But I suppose I'm one of those people that doesn't suffer from this, mainly because of how crazy I am (most likely).

Perhaps the reason that you've encountered these friends is because (no offense to you or your friends) they're boring. They like the same clothes/band/etc. as you do, take the same classes, etc. They DO the same exact things you do, so while they're decent to hang around, nothing's really drawing you to them.

The reason I don't suffer from a lot of these problems is because most of my friends are different (I really don't mean to be condescending, so please listen to the end). Some of my best friends are pursuing different careers, have different opinions, or come from different parts of the world. Likewise, friends that I've had a lot in common with (video games, writing, race, etc.) I've drifted away from much too easy.

If you're suffering from this, perhaps you need to look at your social circle. If all of them are a bit too much like you, then perhaps you should try and make friends with people outside. Befriend an awkward nerdy kid, socialize with an international student, talk with someone that's a musician, chat with the academic crowd. I guarantee you that if you try and make friends with people outside of your clique, they'll be definitely more memorable.

Again, I apologize if I've sounded arrogant, but this is a lesson that I learned very early on and have tried to get others to acknowledge.
 

jim_doki

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we avoid people because people suck

thats why I avoid people anyway. Christmas isn't THAT big of a deal in this respect, i mean in reality we should spend nearly EVERY day with our freinds. my advice is to make freinds that dont suck so hard you are willing to cut them out of your life

failing that, all "That" people get together and spend the holidays with each other
 

NewClassic_v1legacy

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Akas said:
It's painful to live alone, no matter how much you hate the world.

I guarantee you that if you try and make friends with people outside of your clique, they'll be definitely more memorable.

Again, I apologize if I've sounded arrogant, but this is a lesson that I learned very early on and have tried to get others to acknowledge.
I am an English major, specifically with a concentration in creative writing. My roommate is a Chemical Engineer. My friends are: Early Education, Advanced Level Math Education, English and Editing Major, Graphic Design Art Major, Civil Engineer, and Biology Major. While I do have a lot of lib arts and advanced courses friends, I do keep a good stock.

The problem is I'm pretty much everyone's back-up friend. But that's neither here nor there.

The topic is "that friends," if you have any, and why haven't you hugged them yet?
 

Duck Sandwich

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A well written rant. Not only am I a "that" friend, but I have a "that" friend. Why am I a "that" friend? I've been trying to figure that out myself. But I believe it's because of circumstance, I'm just not around that often. I might have different classes than my friends, or be play different sports, or hell, I might not even live in the same town as my friends.

The transition from elementary school to high school rapidly turned me into "that friend." My friends, some of them I had known for a good 5 or so years, made new friends in that drama class that I didn't take, or went to that party that I didn't know about, or talked to their new friends about that show I didn't watch. Whenever I was around my friends and their new friends, they would often have conversations that I just couldn't follow. The end result being me standing there with them awkwardly for 10 minutes trying to think of something to say.

As for my "that" friend... Why is he a "that" friend? Well, pretty much the same reason I'm a that friend. For the most part, we just have nothing to say to each other. And he lives in a different town. Neither of us drive yet. Our interaction is limited solely to MSN conversations. For the most part, he has nothing to say. Sure, there's the odd moment where we have a good conversation going, but for the most part, conversations tend to run dry pretty fast. But for the sake of conversation, he'll talk. Such topics range from what I did today, to what time I'm going to bed, or if one of my other friends is coming to my house.

He reminds me of myself - an unwilling loner, desperately reaching for some shred of social interaction. We're both faced with the same problem. We just have different ways of dealing with it.
 

Akas

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The point that I was getting at, no offense, was that perhaps you could also look at yourself? If you're "that" friend, then perhaps you should look at your opinions/tastes. I can't remember the exact quote but here's the general gist:

Would anything you say/believe in offend anybody? If not, then perhaps you should look to see if your opinions are really your own or if they're ones society imposed on you.

I say this because I've had "those" friends, and I've tried my damndest to keep them involved. There was one guy I knew that was coming out of WoW addiction and wanted to socialize but was "that" guy. I took him out to parties, introduced him to people, tried to get involved in video games with him (we hung out at a friend's place playing fighting games, but I also challenged him to DS matches as well). EVEN SO, he found that he really wasn't interested, and slipped back to playing WoW.

The point I made earlier was that I (or other people) can't put in all of the effort in a friendship. If you're boring/meek/shy, then eventually I'm going to give up and check out other friends instead. The examples you've given seem to suggest that perhaps a lot of it is bad luck, but there might be something to what I'm saying as well.

I'm not telling you to become a wild child, a party whore, an addict, or anything like that. What I'm saying is find what you're interested in, and pursue it past mediocre interest. You like writing? Do something crazy (like Nanowrimo (www.nanowrimo.org), I've just completed it :)) with writing. Like martial arts? Take one and meet new people. If you're doing things that everyone else is doing, then you'll have common ground but usually won't have anything to disagree (and subsequently talk) about.

Again, I'm sorry if I sound condescending.

EDIT: Duck sandwich, your case, although different circumstances, can be dealt with the same way. It's okay to make new friends doing things differently from your old group: the only way you'll be able to chat with them is if you do the exact same things they talked about, and even if you did that, all it'd be would be small talk. I.e. Everyone knows about that one party where two friends hooked up, so there's no point in mentioning it.

Your friends may be awesome, but so might other people. Don't rope yourself in with a crowd, otherwise you'll be chasing "the Joneses" for the rest of your life. It's okay to have multiple groups of friends that wouldn't get along with each other: in fact, that's the one way to guarantee that you WON'T be "that guy", since you'll be the common link if they ever do meet up.
 

NeoAC

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Thankfully I'm not "that friend" in our group, of course that may be because I'm the only one of us with a car......
 

Smiles

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I am deffinately a that friend. probably because I used to have all the free time in the world, before I started working, and they felt I was a good back up, always available friend to call when other plans get cancelled... course its hard to tell really considering I only have two real friends...