Damnit Zack Snyder

[mduncan50]

Okay, while I am not a fan of Zack Snyder's directing in the DC movies, I have placed most of the blame for the major issues with these movies at the feet of Goyer and his disdain for superheroes and their fans, but his answers given in this interview have changed my mind.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/04/08/zack-snyder-reveals-how-missing-scene-explains-pivotal-batman-v-superman-moment

Here's the offending part:

"We had a scene that we cut from the movie where he tries to look for her when he finds out that Lex has got her," Snyder continued. "It was a slightly dark scene that we cut out because it sort of represented this dark side. Because when he was looking for his mom he heard all the cries of all the potential crimes going on in the city, you know when you look.

?I kind of like the idea that he?s taught himself not to look because if he looks it?s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can?t be everywhere at once, literally you can?t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.?

First off, let us take a moment take in the fact that there was a scene that wasn't uplifting enough for Dawn of Justice in Zack's eyes. But what really kills me is that Snyder's Superman chooses to block out his super-hearing so he doesn't have to listen to all those whiner crime victims. Superman selectively chooses when to stop an assault/murder/rape/etc, since otherwise it's just neverending, you know. I just... I can't... I mean... I refer you back to the name of the thread.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Well... I'm pretty sure this is actually something that shows up a lot in most of the continuities, particularly the more modern ones. Superman blocks out the cries for help because even he can't be everywhere at once, and at some point he's got to live his own life as well.

But, judging by the rest of the movie, Snyder would have managed to make it seem like the actions of a psychopath.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Lol I read this too. Oh man Zack Snyder... I mean I appreciate his enthusiasm, but damn just keep him as an action consultant, if such a job exists.

I think my personal favorite (read most hated) interview from Snyder is when he explained why Batman kills in BvS- or rather, why he doesn't.

http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-killing-zack-snyder/

I tried to do it in a technical way. There?s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn?t kill anyone. I think there?s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn?t kill comes from. So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they?re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy?s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank [himself]. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy?s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that?s not really my problem.

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There?s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy?s machine gun?I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ?You?ve gotta shoot him in the head? because they?re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ?I?m not gonna be the guy that does that!?

 

[Fox12]

Okay, while I am not a fan of Zack Snyder's directing in the DC movies, I have placed most of the blame for the major issues with these movies at the feet of Goyer and his disdain for superheroes and their fans, but his answers given in this interview have changed my mind.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/04/08/zack-snyder-reveals-how-missing-scene-explains-pivotal-batman-v-superman-moment

Here's the offending part:

"We had a scene that we cut from the movie where he tries to look for her when he finds out that Lex has got her," Snyder continued. "It was a slightly dark scene that we cut out because it sort of represented this dark side. Because when he was looking for his mom he heard all the cries of all the potential crimes going on in the city, you know when you look.

?I kind of like the idea that he?s taught himself not to look because if he looks it?s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can?t be everywhere at once, literally you can?t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.?

First off, let us take a moment take in the fact that there was a scene that wasn't uplifting enough for Dawn of Justice in Zack's eyes. But what really kills me is that Snyder's Superman chooses to block out his super-hearing so he doesn't have to listen to all those whiner crime victims. Superman selectively chooses when to stop an assault/murder/rape/etc, since otherwise it's just neverending, you know. I just... I can't... I mean... I refer you back to the name of the thread.

I disagree. That would actually be an interesting idea if it was handled by someone else. Superman can't be everywhere at once, and he can't spend every second fighting crime. Why wasn't superman there to stop that purse snatcher? Because he was busy stopping a little girl from being hit by a car. The fact is that Superman isn't God. He can't be everywhere at once. He can punch a meteor, yet he can't save one small life. It's an interesting limitation on his power that I've seen discussed before.

It's kind of like the Daredevil series. Where's Iron Man, or Thor when a murderer is carving up Hell's Kitchen? Probably busy saving the world. Meanwhile Daredevil is busy down here on earth, with the rest of us, dealing with all the problem's no one else wants to deal with, taking care of all of society's throwaways that no one else cares for.

That said, Snyder's take on it is admittedly bad. It feels out of place in that context, and messes with the already poor pacing.

 

[mduncan50]

Okay, while I am not a fan of Zack Snyder's directing in the DC movies, I have placed most of the blame for the major issues with these movies at the feet of Goyer and his disdain for superheroes and their fans, but his answers given in this interview have changed my mind.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/04/08/zack-snyder-reveals-how-missing-scene-explains-pivotal-batman-v-superman-moment

Here's the offending part:

"We had a scene that we cut from the movie where he tries to look for her when he finds out that Lex has got her," Snyder continued. "It was a slightly dark scene that we cut out because it sort of represented this dark side. Because when he was looking for his mom he heard all the cries of all the potential crimes going on in the city, you know when you look.

?I kind of like the idea that he?s taught himself not to look because if he looks it?s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can?t be everywhere at once, literally you can?t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.?

First off, let us take a moment take in the fact that there was a scene that wasn't uplifting enough for Dawn of Justice in Zack's eyes. But what really kills me is that Snyder's Superman chooses to block out his super-hearing so he doesn't have to listen to all those whiner crime victims. Superman selectively chooses when to stop an assault/murder/rape/etc, since otherwise it's just neverending, you know. I just... I can't... I mean... I refer you back to the name of the thread.

I disagree. That would actually be an interesting idea if it was handled by someone else. Superman can't be everywhere at once, and he can't spend every second fighting crime. Why wasn't superman there to stop that purse snatcher? Because he was busy stopping a little girl from being hit by a car. The fact is that Superman isn't God. He can't be everywhere at once. He can punch a meteor, yet he can't save one small life. It's an interesting limitation on his power that I've seen discussed before.

It's kind of like the Daredevil series. Where's Iron Man, or Thor when a murderer is carving up Hell's Kitchen? Probably busy saving the world. Meanwhile Daredevil is busy down here on earth, with the rest of us, dealing with all the problem's no one else wants to deal with, taking care of all of society's throwaways that no one else cares for.

That said, Snyder's take on it is admittedly bad. It feels out of place in that context, and messes with the already poor pacing.

Oh I get the fact that he can't be everywhere at once. But does that mean that he's hearing and ignoring someone getting raped while he goes fully clothed into the bathtub with Lois? When he's sitting at the senate hearings, he could be saying "There's a guy four blocks from here being murdered, but I can't help them because I'm stuck here with you." As soon as you say that he's tuning out what is happening to victims in his city, you can't help but question what specifically he is ignoring in any given scene where he's just standing around being moody and brooding.
Funny that you bring up Daredevil, because in his series he flat out says that the reason that he goes out every night, no matter how badly injured, is that he can hear the crimes happening, and he can't accept not trying to stop them.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

I tried to do it in a technical way. There?s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn?t kill anyone. I think there?s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn?t kill comes from. So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they?re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy?s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank [himself]. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy?s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that?s not really my problem.

The funny thing is I listen to the podcast of the guy that made that YouTube video, and him and the other guy on it are astounded that he was the reason for Batman killing people in BvS. Like they make fun of that, and Snyder's quote there, and point out things such as Burton's Batman was actually renowned for being the Batman that kills people.

I managed to find it; here's the podcast where the guy that made that video thinks it's funny his video is being used as justification for Batman killing people:

46:30 - 51:20 [http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/9/c/c/9cc2a7688ec83941/Ep_128_Final.mp3?c_id=11327825&expiration=1460183822&hwt=1ca4bdec003d53090a5b89a2cbc11f6d] - (Though 43:00 is just when they first bring it up).

Yeah, this podcast was my first whole listen from the Weekly Planet. I have been subbed to Mr. Sunday Movies for some time, but never bothered with the Weekly Planet till now.

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

I can't be mad at this. It's sort of expected, y'know? Superman occasionally has to ignore someone in need of help so that he can live his life, which means blocking out an ongoing crime. It should be expected of the guy that can hear Olsen's signal while in deep space that he can hear just about everything that goes on in the world. I bet he could hear a fly fart in China. What, should he constantly drop what he's doing to go and save someone in need? Or should he be eating his breakfast to the sound of a mugging in the next city over or the couple on the other side of the world banging the headboards? It's expected that, at some point, he'll have to block it all out. Just to keep his sanity.

 

[mduncan50]

How is it possible that gets worse every day.

I?m told production exec Jon Berg and Time-Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes are taking more of a hands-on approach now, paying closer attention to overarching story concerns

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-DCEU-Move-Forward-Following-Batman-V-Superman-Debacle-123707.html

 

[Silvanus]

Funny that you bring up Daredevil, because in his series he flat out says that the reason that he goes out every night, no matter how badly injured, is that he can hear the crimes happening, and he can't accept not trying to stop them.

Well, Daredevil also lives his own life in the series. Does it detract to know that he might be hearing crimes going on while he does so?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Okay, while I am not a fan of Zack Snyder's directing in the DC movies, I have placed most of the blame for the major issues with these movies at the feet of Goyer and his disdain for superheroes and their fans, but his answers given in this interview have changed my mind.
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2016/04/08/zack-snyder-reveals-how-missing-scene-explains-pivotal-batman-v-superman-moment

Here's the offending part:

"We had a scene that we cut from the movie where he tries to look for her when he finds out that Lex has got her," Snyder continued. "It was a slightly dark scene that we cut out because it sort of represented this dark side. Because when he was looking for his mom he heard all the cries of all the potential crimes going on in the city, you know when you look.

?I kind of like the idea that he?s taught himself not to look because if he looks it?s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can?t be everywhere at once, literally you can?t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere.?

First off, let us take a moment take in the fact that there was a scene that wasn't uplifting enough for Dawn of Justice in Zack's eyes. But what really kills me is that Snyder's Superman chooses to block out his super-hearing so he doesn't have to listen to all those whiner crime victims. Superman selectively chooses when to stop an assault/murder/rape/etc, since otherwise it's just neverending, you know. I just... I can't... I mean... I refer you back to the name of the thread.

Can we all agree that Zack's Superman is no where near as bad a portrayal of Superman then Superman At Earth's End?

Or the Superman in Justice League Act of God?

 

[mduncan50]

Funny that you bring up Daredevil, because in his series he flat out says that the reason that he goes out every night, no matter how badly injured, is that he can hear the crimes happening, and he can't accept not trying to stop them.

Well, Daredevil also lives his own life in the series. Does it detract to know that he might be hearing crimes going on while he does so?

No, because it is clear that it tortures him. But in order to do what he does he needs to play the lawyer, and he can do good from that as well.

 

[mduncan50]

Can we all agree that Zack's Superman is no where near as bad a portrayal of Superman then Superman At Earth's End?

Or the Superman in Justice League Act of God?

Yes, that is a worse Superman. But that one doesn't bother me because it is an Elseworlds book, whereas Synder's Superman is the real deal so far as the movie universe is concerned.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Can we all agree that Zack's Superman is no where near as bad a portrayal of Superman then Superman At Earth's End?

Or the Superman in Justice League Act of God?

Yes, that is a worse Superman. But that one doesn't bother me because it is an Elseworlds book, whereas Synder's Superman is the real deal so far as the movie universe is concerned.

Real Deal or not anything that is not on the level or worse then Superman At Earth's End is not the worst the thing ever in my opinion.

The worst thing I can say about Zack's Superman is he needs more screentime and development and more to say. But that is still more tolerable then the above abomination.

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

Honestly his podcasts are funnier than his videos. Their whole "None of this really matters" attitude is what makes it, and the fact it's not some big production it's just two guys in a normal room chatting and generally being disorganised.

I've been going through the archives for the last few weeks - just listened to a few back to back tonight - and yeah, having been a subscriber of his/their channel for ages, the podcasts are better. Unscripted, they go into far more detail, and can more or less just cut loose - where in the vids James is always more moderate.

As for the thread: eh, I think those remarks are remarkably smart relative to some of the guff Snyder's come out with. He still seems too dense to understand the criticisms of MoS, and in fact seems to be doubling down on the stupid with his comparison to The Force Awakens.

 

[Spacewolf]

You know its funny because in the last theatrical Superman movie that wasn't directed by Zach Snyder they addressed this exact notion.


Is it heavy handed? Well, lets see - a superpowered individual looking upon the Earth from the sky and hearing everybody who needs help. Yes, Superman is god, it is heavy handed. About as heavy-handed as Zach Snyder symbolism, however, so its not like he can use that as an excuse. Somebody did it better a decade ago and in less than a minute. In fact its considered one of the best contributions to the character that the film made, showing his mental and emotional burden of the responsibility he holds himself to over the people.

Edit: Oh, and three Spider-Man movies did this as well. All three of them. The most important superhero films in the past generation. The ones that without their success, both financial and critical, there wouldn't be Man of Steel or The Avengers. Its actually a pretty defining part of his character history - not so selfless that he's okay with not having a life but not so selfish that he doesn't feel guilty about letting bad things happen to convenience his personal life. Three times you ninny.

Fricking hack frauds, man.

Even back in 2009 they where deconstruction the fact that Superman is constantly bombarded this stuff in Irredeemable where it drives his expy insane.

 

[mduncan50]

Can we all agree that Zack's Superman is no where near as bad a portrayal of Superman then Superman At Earth's End?

Or the Superman in Justice League Act of God?

Yes, that is a worse Superman. But that one doesn't bother me because it is an Elseworlds book, whereas Synder's Superman is the real deal so far as the movie universe is concerned.

Real Deal or not anything that is not on the level or worse then Superman At Earth's End is not the worst the thing ever in my opinion.

The worst thing I can say about Zack's Superman is he needs more screentime and development and more to say. But that is still more tolerable then the above abomination.

This is DC we're talking about. It can always be worse.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Can we all agree that Zack's Superman is no where near as bad a portrayal of Superman then Superman At Earth's End?

Or the Superman in Justice League Act of God?

Yes, that is a worse Superman. But that one doesn't bother me because it is an Elseworlds book, whereas Synder's Superman is the real deal so far as the movie universe is concerned.

Real Deal or not anything that is not on the level or worse then Superman At Earth's End is not the worst the thing ever in my opinion.

The worst thing I can say about Zack's Superman is he needs more screentime and development and more to say. But that is still more tolerable then the above abomination.

This is DC we're talking about. It can always be worse.

Why am I not surprised there exist an Aryan Nazi ?bermensch

Also let me guess Batman is the good guy against Nazi Superman in that world?

 

[Silvanus]

No, because it is clear that it tortures him. But in order to do what he does he needs to play the lawyer, and he can do good from that as well.

I assume the point of the Superman scene would be to show that it affects him emotionally, too.

Matt Murdock lives a life quite aside from being a lawyer and a superhero; he also leads a romantic and social life.

 

[mduncan50]

Why am I not surprised there exist an Aryan Nazi ?bermensch

Also let me guess Batman is the good guy against Nazi Superman in that world?

Nope, he's a Nazi too, named Leatherwing. He's just not part of the elite group in the picture, Die Gerechitigkeitsliga. It's Earth-10, where the Nazi's won WWII, if you wanted to take a look.

 

[Something Amyss]

Is it heavy handed? Well, lets see - a superpowered individual looking upon the Earth from the sky and hearing everybody who needs help. Yes, Superman is god, it is heavy handed.

I'd say that both for the way that film was handled and the way modern Superman is handled in film, it was actually amazingly subtle.

shut the fuck up DC I want to like you

Oh, come now. We know that can't be true. If you don't like BVS, you're obviously a rabid Marvel fan or were paid off by Disney. That's how it works, right?