Danish Politicians accidentally bans all modern electronics

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Mooghens

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"In its zeal to take the lead on the environment is Denmark by banning computers and other electronic equipment.

That is the warning according to Jyllands-Posten, the Danish Chamber of Commerce, from Coop and from the IT industry.

The warning comes after a new decree banning the sale and import of goods with four kinds of phthalates - the chemical used to soften plastic, but can be endocrine disruptors.

Order framework is not only toys and products that are in direct contact with mucous membranes and skin.

The ban effectively means also that computers can not be sold in Denmark from 2015, because there are softened plastic inside the hardware.

- Chain looks simply to be defected, says Jakob Zeuthen, head of the Danish Commerce environmental policy.

The ban came into effect in November, but has been underway since early 2011.

During the consultation phase, the industry asked critical questions, but not shouting loud enough, recognizes Coop, which among other things operates Kvickly and supermarket chains.

- We have warned on a more general level, because we have learned the practical implications to know now, explains Malene Teller Blume, who is responsible for quality management Coops non-food.

Environment Minister Ida Auken (SF) also believe that criticism comes "a little late".

- The purpose of the ban is to protect consumers from harmful substances, but I would like to have an overview of possible solutions to the problem that the business points, said the minister, who now puts EPA on the matter."
Source: JP.dk
In a related article from the danish newspaper BT, it is also stated additionally:

"We have warned on a more general level, because we have learned the practical implications to know now," explains Malene Teller Blume from Coop.

She has since January contacted 500 suppliers worldwide and explained to them that their products must be free of phthalates by December, so Coop can manage to get rid of the old items that are also covered by the ban.

Many vendors have initially did not answer, but later informed us that because of the requirement is considering to leave the Danish market altogether."


I suppose the article really speaks for itself. As a Dane i can also guarantee this is just one of many ridicolus recent legislations that prioritize goal and ideology higher than common sense.
 

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Uh, link please? I'm very confused on what precisely is the issue here, and don't think Danish politicians are idiotic enough to ban all modern electronics.
 

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Ldude893 said:
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Uh, link please? I'm very confused on what precisely is the issue here, and don't think Danish politicians are idiotic enough to ban all modern electronics.
http://www.chemsec.org/news/news-2012/983-denmark-to-ban-four-phthalates
(next one is in Danish, part of OP)
http://www.bt.dk/danmark/nyt-dansk-miljoekrav-forbyder-computere-i-danmark-fra-2015


the DK government is seeking to enforce an all out ban on the use of phthalates in plastic housings, DEHP, DBP, DIBP and BBP in consumer goods, due to their endocrine disruption factor (basically being poisonous). The ban has already been approved and is due to rule in full effect by the year of 2015 However, the workgroup that was supposed to finger out the phthalates (and the politcians afterwards who voted in favor of the ban) missed the very important point that softened plastic (and these phthalates) are also used in the fabrication of circuit boards and insulation material for copper wiring. The ban will outlaw selling of any consumer products containing these which to say the least, will send Denmark technologically back to the 19th century.
 

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I'm 100% certain that they're not actually going to do anything that will ban electronics out right. Especially when given the fact that almost everyone depends on them, and that it is a necessary aspect of any modern economy. They might as well try banning breathing.
 

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Something is rotten in the state of- Oh, nevermind...

They can't ban electronics. Doing so would automatically make them incapable of enforcing said law, and also not be able to stop anyone who leaves the country on their modern cars...which would be everybody.
 

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I've read the articles and it's pretty obvious this is just a case of having not thought things through, or perhaps rushed the process a little, there was obviously no intention of banning electronics.

They want to ban some dangerous endocrine disrupting compounds (EDC's) which makes sense but failed to realize the kind of impact this would actually have on electronics because it is an outright ban. The danish article states they're working on a solution.

The intention of this ban like previous ones is to get the EDC's out of toys and similar things we have a lot of direct contact with, however because it is formulated in a way that bans the EDC's from all products the result would effectively be a ban of most, if not all user electronics...

They will simply rewrite it to apply only to the intended areas and it's highly unlikely there will be any impact on electronics whatsoever.

But you never know.
 

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I wonder if we could get them to ban dihydrogen monoxide as well.

It amuses me that legislative bodies sometimes have so much bureaucratic inertia that they can't immediately put the brakes on a law that they know was a mistake.
 

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This isn't the first time our politicians have overreacted, like with the knife legislation a few years ago. For those who don't live in Denmark, back in 2008 or 2009 due to some murders we got a new knife legislation. Because of this law a young man was almost sent to jail for a week when the police found a utility knife in his car that he claimed to use for his work at a gas station.
 

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I worked with Pthalates in the form of condensate residue in gas regulators. As a substance it is fairly innocuous, kind of like old motor oil, but it can be absorbed through the skin and I'll always remember the way the fact sheet casually threw out impotence and sterility in amongst a number of things this crap is capable of doing. Still there are many evil but necessary substances in the world, and with the exception of the irredeemably bad (Asbestos and co.) it's mostly a matter of placing proper emphasis on controls and safety.
 

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mooncalf said:
I worked with Pthalates in the form of condensate residue in gas regulators. As a substance it is fairly innocuous, kind of like old motor oil, but it can be absorbed through the skin and I'll always remember the way the fact sheet casually threw out impotence and sterility in amongst a number of things this crap is capable of doing. Still there are many evil but necessary substances in the world, and with the exception of the irredeemably bad (Asbestos and co.) it's mostly a matter of placing proper emphasis on controls and safety.
I think the initiative was to target them in drinking and eating utensils.

There was also a case last month or so where it was found out that if you eheat bread acrylamides will be formed and all of a sudden politicians wanted to ban acrylamide in foods...
 

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McMullen said:
I wonder if we could get them to ban dihydrogen monoxide as well.

It amuses me that legislative bodies sometimes have so much bureaucratic inertia that they can't immediately put the brakes on a law that they know was a mistake.
What, the principal ingredient of acid rain and with a known correlation with eventual death? That sick filth should be banned everywhere.

OT: There are some laws one simply cannot enforce. I expect a nationwide attitude of common sense will defeat the unforseen repercussions in the same way that if walking were banned tomorrow people would do it anyway and the police would let it happen.
 

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MeChaNiZ3D said:
McMullen said:
I wonder if we could get them to ban dihydrogen monoxide as well.

It amuses me that legislative bodies sometimes have so much bureaucratic inertia that they can't immediately put the brakes on a law that they know was a mistake.
What, the principal ingredient of acid rain and with a known correlation with eventual death? That sick filth should be banned everywhere.

OT: There are some laws one simply cannot enforce. I expect a nationwide attitude of common sense will defeat the unforseen repercussions in the same way that if walking were banned tomorrow people would do it anyway and the police would let it happen.
Did you know that everyone who ever used/consumed Dihydrogen monoxide died? That's right, 100% mortality. Someone should get on that.


Also, we should strive to ban this toxic gas composed of molecular Oxygen, molecular Nitrogen, Carbondioxide and noble gasses. That stuff is just as bad, if not worse than Hydrogen Dioxide. Every user dies and beforehand, they develop an addiction so sever that going without it for even a few minutes will bring forth severe withdrawal symptoms and lead to a very painful death.

You hear that denmark?
Get on banning that. It's dangerous as fuck.
 

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Calibanbutcher said:
MeChaNiZ3D said:
McMullen said:
I wonder if we could get them to ban dihydrogen monoxide as well.

It amuses me that legislative bodies sometimes have so much bureaucratic inertia that they can't immediately put the brakes on a law that they know was a mistake.
What, the principal ingredient of acid rain and with a known correlation with eventual death? That sick filth should be banned everywhere.

OT: There are some laws one simply cannot enforce. I expect a nationwide attitude of common sense will defeat the unforseen repercussions in the same way that if walking were banned tomorrow people would do it anyway and the police would let it happen.
Did you know that everyone who ever used/consumed Dihydrogen monoxide died? That's right, 100% mortality. Someone should get on that.
I find it disappointing that people are using the correct terminology. About half the time people will say "hydrogen oxide" and leave it and that. That includes things other than water which are legitimately dangerous.
 

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Combustion Kevin said:
woops, back to medieval times we go.

into the longboats, boys, off to england again.
I think that was actually the plan. The Danes are trying to encourage their people to revive their old Viking ways and start raping and pillaging again, so they can be awesome again.

Except they'll land in England, and get beaten up by a gang of chavs.
 

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TheRightToArmBears said:
I think that was actually the plan. The Danes are trying to encourage their people to revive their old Viking ways and start raping and pillaging again, so they can be awesome again.

Except they'll land in England, and get beaten up by a gang of chavs.
oh please, I think even 9nth century monks were tougher than that bunch, they'll be strangled by big manly beards.
 

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If they simply wanted to go to the medieval times, they should of gone to those medieval festival.

I doubt this will be in full effect otherwise if would leave them in ruin (using electronic has become our way of life and I am not talking about games of Facebook. I mean they use pc to make orders and delivery and most tills these day are electronic too and etc).