Daredevil Vs. Daredevil: Who Is The Best Man Without Fear?

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I mildly enjoyed Affleck's Daredevil. For all its misteps, I thought it managed to be fun, if not memorable.

That said, I can't separate Michael Clarke Duncan from his role in The Green Mile. I have a lot of trouble picturing him as a villain, thus his Kingpin never truly resonated with me. It has nothing to do with lousy acting; rather, it was because he did too good a job as John Coffey.

D'Onofrio, on the other hand, picked up the torch as if it was made for him. I haven't finished watching the series, but I'm loving every one of his appearances.
 

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Affleck was more likeable as Murdock, simple as that. Cox gave me more of a feeling of a guy with serious issues. But as was said earlier the relationship with Foggy entirely sold the character. They have such great chemistry that you get a vision of Murdock as a person that makes up for some of the gaps in Cox's performance (he pretty much is a non-presence in the practice for a large chunk of the middle of the season so Cox spends all that time bleeding, brooding, and being complicated with Rosario Dawson). The real winner is D'Onofrio's Kingpin! The man simply owns the role, and rather than playing him like an all powerful master of the universe (like Duncan) he plays him as a deeply emotional, dangerous, but human character.

My only real gripe is the costume. After an entire season of build up I wasn't wild about the finished product (but then again with that much anticipation few things would be worth it). I know they wanted to go to with a more traditional uniform for DD, but with the tone of the series it would have fit if he wore the black and red armored Uniform.
 

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Solkard said:
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Cox was a much more brutal Daredevil, though I can't say for certain if that was to a better effect.
More brutal? In fighting? Yes. But Affleck's Daredevil killed guys. Netflix's Daredevil is closer to the comics, in that he may beat someone bloody (or even cripple that guy), but he won't kill.
But Cox actually tortured them. Not just threaten and slap around in the moment, he went out of his way to lay them out properly and then with surgically precision, hurt them over and over.

I would not say Cox's hands are clean either, rather that he brooded over it a lot and played it more "Batman'ish". That was one of the issues I have with Netflix's portrayal and possibly that of comics in general. The whole "I'm not a murderer, I'm just going to break your arms and legs, then leave you laying on these train tracks for the approaching train to run over. But I'm not a killer." schtick never sat right with me.

I see "heroes" being allowed to pull that BS more and more, and am waiting for someone to have a discussion about that. Where is the line between innocence and culpability on the whole issue of murder and "I'm not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you."
Actually someone did have that discussion, on this very site about a week ago. It's died off now I think, but yeah it's been discussed.
 

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Having never seen the movie version I can say with complete certainty that the Netflix series is a million times better

It is that good
 

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Yeah I don't really get the hatred toward the first Daredevil movie but in saying so I haven't read the comic and I only know that character from his special guest role in Spider-man: TAS.

Sure I used to loved that film but once the MCU came out (Iron Man and Avenger etc) it's now at the botter tier of my favourite Marvel movies.
 

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I'd say that Elektra was the biggest problem with that movie. I know this article said that Jennifer played her perfectly but the writing for her character was way off base. Sad, really.

However, this episodic approach to it that TV allows? It could be done wonderfully here.
 

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Lightknight said:
I'd say that Elektra was the biggest problem with that movie. I know this article said that Jennifer played her perfectly but the writing for her character was way off base. Sad, really.

However, this episodic approach to it that TV allows? It could be done wonderfully here.
I never read the comics, so I have no idea how Elektra should normally behave compared to the movie. If they do take up that thread, I just hope they flesh her out as well as they have the rest of the Daredevil cast so far.
 

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Happyninja42 said:
Lightknight said:
I'd say that Elektra was the biggest problem with that movie. I know this article said that Jennifer played her perfectly but the writing for her character was way off base. Sad, really.

However, this episodic approach to it that TV allows? It could be done wonderfully here.
I never read the comics, so I have no idea how Elektra should normally behave compared to the movie. If they do take up that thread, I just hope they flesh her out as well as they have the rest of the Daredevil cast so far.
Thankfully, they've given us nothing but good signs about how competent they are in this area. I'm shocked how good their casting has been as well as their attention to character motives/actions.
 

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Lightknight said:
Happyninja42 said:
Lightknight said:
I'd say that Elektra was the biggest problem with that movie. I know this article said that Jennifer played her perfectly but the writing for her character was way off base. Sad, really.

However, this episodic approach to it that TV allows? It could be done wonderfully here.
I never read the comics, so I have no idea how Elektra should normally behave compared to the movie. If they do take up that thread, I just hope they flesh her out as well as they have the rest of the Daredevil cast so far.
Thankfully, they've given us nothing but good signs about how competent they are in this area. I'm shocked how good their casting has been as well as their attention to character motives/actions.
I know right?! I realized I was in love with the show, when I started empathizing with the badguys, and
was genuinely upset when Wesley died. I was sad that he wouldn't be in the show anymore. Maybe he'll show up in a "How Fisk and Wesley became friends" flashback, but otherwise, he's gone, and I'm sad. :(

When I realized that the writers had made me actually feel that way, I was like "ok yeah, I'm going to follow this show. If they can keep up this level of humanization of the cast on both sides, I'm totally sold."
 

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It's good, and definitely better than the movie version. Daredevil has always been nuanced crime drama. The movie tried to turn it into a standard action flick and like too many things blew everything they could muster in the first shot. The one movie could have been 3 less ambitious but better films.
 

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My big problem with the Daredevil TV series is that I was watching it for a Marvel Super Hero fix, and at the end of the day Daredevil just didn't come across as being all that super heroic to me. He wound up getting hurt and beat up way too much and having too much trouble taking out regular guys. Now granted it's pretty unreal he could win some of those fights at all, but we're dealing with a super hero and I expect him to be able to take out some Russian gangsters without a scratch because he's a super hero. I think "Arrow" did a better job of doing the whole street level thing to be honest, and I see that as the big competition for this show.

Daredevil wasn't bad, and it has potential, but it was too much of an extended origin, and to be honest I'm not sure if I can see how they will justify a radical increase of his abilities to more comic book like levels.

Daredevil actually raised some concerns for me about how they are going to handle the other series they plan as part of this project. I seem to remember they have other shows planned and then want to tie them all together into "The Defenders" (which is kind of funny since it seems more like the "Heroes For Hire" roster from what I remember). Apparently Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist are all going to get their own shows. The big thing is that with the trouble they have making Daredevil seem properly superheroic I can't imagine what it's going to be like when they bring someone like Cage out who actually has super powers (and half his thing is he's almost impossible to hurt, especially with regular stuff) assuming they can find a way to do that well, how are they going to justify Daredevil hanging around with that crowd. Usually when they bring the more or less super-normal into a group of guys with powers "supernormal" is a lot more effective against the stuff we've seen Daredevil run into so far. See, for me when they did Daredevil it should have been a big deal when he ran into a Ninja and had problems, meeting someone with the same levels of skills, but really it didn't impress me so much to have him getting pounded that way since it seemed like everyone else was taking a piece out of him before he won as well, so you know... he never sold me as being unbelievably good, compared to a character where I'd think it should be impressive to even be able to lay a hand on the guy if he doesn't want you to.