Day of the Doctor thread SPOILERS!
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Yeah wth happened?JoJo said:
On topic, it was pretty good, brilliant by Steven Moffat standards, and I'm SOOOOO glad that the episode wasn't resolved with an effing paradox, which seemed to be Moffat's go-to resolution for many stories lately.
I like the way Gallifrey was sorted. It allows the Timelords to return, and fits with the pre-established lore, and it means the timelords are back!
The Dalek planetary barrage also fills a sort of long-running plot-hole, mainly how the Daleks were supposedly wiped out in the Time War, but kept creeping back in Nu-Who. And I don't just mean one or two, half the time it was a flotilla of the fuckers.
So congrats Moffat, you successfully wrote an episode that filled more holes than it made.
A note about the ending: Note that the high council was offscreen the entire time, only showing military command, and that Rassilon noted that his action in The End of Time were the last day of the war. From Galifrey's perspective, the two episodes were probably concurrent, and his seers were mistaking being sealed in single moment for a time lock.
Tom. Freaking. Baker.
The episode has its flaws, but there's definitely going to be some disappointment with hype like this. Personally, I was burned out from this episode in the most satisfying way possible. I can't wait for Gallifrey to be included in future episodes again.
The episode has its flaws, but there's definitely going to be some disappointment with hype like this. Personally, I was burned out from this episode in the most satisfying way possible. I can't wait for Gallifrey to be included in future episodes again.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.834864-Day-of-the-Doctor-thread-SPOILERS
Already made my thread, man.
Don't steal it.
Already made my thread, man.
Don't steal it.
Posting in it will bump his thread above yours, you silly sausageObjectable said:
I think your best option is to ask the nice people at the mod group to merge this thread into yours.
If I was Tennant and Smith I'd sue the BBC. Putting them up against not just John Hurt but TOM BAKER as well, poor sods didn't stand a chance. Billie Piper can really act, who knew. I didn't think she could go head to head with John HUrt and not look like a numpty. Clear plot, well acted and good jokes.
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Quoting my opinions from that other DW thread, so here I go:
It was pretty good, brilliant by Steven Moffat standards, and I'm SOOOOO glad that the episode wasn't resolved with an effing paradox, which seemed to be Moffat's go-to resolution for many stories lately.
I like the way Gallifrey was sorted. It allows the Timelords to return, and fits with the pre-established lore, and it means the timelords are back!
The Dalek planetary barrage also fills a sort of long-running plot-hole, mainly how the Daleks were supposedly wiped out in the Time War, but kept creeping back in Nu-Who. And I don't just mean one or two, half the time it was a flotilla of the fuckers.
So congrats Moffat, you successfully wrote an episode that filled more holes than it made.
It was pretty good, brilliant by Steven Moffat standards, and I'm SOOOOO glad that the episode wasn't resolved with an effing paradox, which seemed to be Moffat's go-to resolution for many stories lately.
I like the way Gallifrey was sorted. It allows the Timelords to return, and fits with the pre-established lore, and it means the timelords are back!
The Dalek planetary barrage also fills a sort of long-running plot-hole, mainly how the Daleks were supposedly wiped out in the Time War, but kept creeping back in Nu-Who. And I don't just mean one or two, half the time it was a flotilla of the fuckers.
So congrats Moffat, you successfully wrote an episode that filled more holes than it made.
I want to kill Stephen Moffat after watching it.
Not only did he piss on the existing lore, he also pissed on Russell T Davies by rendering the entirety of the revived series pointless: all of that character development, what made Tennant's Doctor so memorable has been pissed away.
Not to mention that he clearly forgot that the Time Lords went mad in the last few days of the War, and that the Doctor time-locked, not killed both races because both were a threat to the universe(seriously, watch Tennant's last episode, The End of Time, I think it's called): Daleks wanting to exterminate everything and the Time Lords wanting to destroy the universe and become beings of "pure consciousness".
In not locking the War, the Doctor allowed not only the time lords to exist, but all the horrors of the war to exist too.
FUCK YOU STEPHEN MOFFAT.
The only things I liked were the callbacks to the old series, but with everything else, I was forcing myself to watch, the fact that all the three Doctors all spoke like Matt Smith and had his personality, the fact that Elizabeth was still Sally Sparrow/River Song/Amy Pond/Clara Oswald, or rather, any main female character that Stephen Moffat has ever written and will write.
To reiterate, FUCK YOU STEPHEN MOFFAT.
Not only did he piss on the existing lore, he also pissed on Russell T Davies by rendering the entirety of the revived series pointless: all of that character development, what made Tennant's Doctor so memorable has been pissed away.
Not to mention that he clearly forgot that the Time Lords went mad in the last few days of the War, and that the Doctor time-locked, not killed both races because both were a threat to the universe(seriously, watch Tennant's last episode, The End of Time, I think it's called): Daleks wanting to exterminate everything and the Time Lords wanting to destroy the universe and become beings of "pure consciousness".
In not locking the War, the Doctor allowed not only the time lords to exist, but all the horrors of the war to exist too.
FUCK YOU STEPHEN MOFFAT.
The only things I liked were the callbacks to the old series, but with everything else, I was forcing myself to watch, the fact that all the three Doctors all spoke like Matt Smith and had his personality, the fact that Elizabeth was still Sally Sparrow/River Song/Amy Pond/Clara Oswald, or rather, any main female character that Stephen Moffat has ever written and will write.
To reiterate, FUCK YOU STEPHEN MOFFAT.
It doesn't piss on Eccleston and Tennant's character development as their Doctor's are still under the impression that they used the Moment to destroy Gallifrey and the Time Lords, only Smith's Doctor knows the truth now.Akichi Daikashima said:
I agree about not locking the war might cause issues but the Time Lords only went mad in trying to survive the war by extreme means. Now that they have survived by not destroying the universe then they might go back to being not crazy? Only time will tell. But then, the 13 Doctor's might have still locked the Time War after saving Gallifrey, and since they removed Gallifrey before Time Locking it, then it may still be accessible. Seeing as a powerful being like the Moment can circumvent the Time Lock anyway (albeit, admittedly, from the inside) means that something similar may happen in the future.
Also I disagree, Tennant and Smith's Doctor's are similar in some regards but Tennant was distinctly Tennant in this story.
Speaking of Eccleston, despite his lack of involvement in the special for his own reasons, I really liked how they have finally completed a time line of events to his regeneration. In 'Rose' we know he has literally just regenerated into his 9th (now 10th) form as he hadn't seen his own face yet, and now we know how that happened and that he didn't regenerate from McGann but from Hurt.misterprickly said:
Of course it now throws up problems of how McGann regenerated into Hurt.
Exactly. They never went crazy mad, they just changed into something the Doctor no longer recognised. We saw that in the weapons vault, they had used some of the universes most dangerous weapons against the Daleks. They had become the kind of people the Doctor fights.TimeLord said:
How had I not seen that!? Thank you good sir!misterprickly said:
Well then I suppose we will just have to see how that panned out once they are forcibly removed from the war. They might revert back to the people they were before the war, who knows.FinalDream said:
However if that means Rassilon is still alive....
Keep in mind during 'The End of Time' Rassilon and his council had been stuck in this time loop for a while, and they had known that time was repeating itself hundreds of times by the time we see them.TimeLord said:
It isn't too far a stretch to assume that they divised the 'screw all life but us' solution during their time in purgatory.
Also remember that with the Daleks decimated (with the remnants being fought during 9,10 and 11's run) and Gallifrey brought back into the fold, the Timelords don't need to destroy the universe anymore.
Then again, The Moment is the one WMD that hasn't been set off, so I imagine that if the writers botch Gallifrey's return then the Moment can always be set off again.