DC Blinks First: Batman v Superman Won't Compete with Captain America 3

[Super Cyborg]

I know some may perceive this as a lack of confidence, but could some see it as if they are confident by moving it forward instead of backwards? In some ways, people could see that by having it come out earlier, production is going well and that they don't feel the need to fix things, where as if it was pushed back, it would seem as if there were problems with the production, so people would feel less confident in the movie? Just a thought I had.

I am disappointed one of them moved, even though it was the best decision. I really wanted to see the headlines of how two hero movies duked it out in the box office. Oh well.

 

[RealRT]

No confidence in your new movie eh, DC? Just like most of the world.

Honestly can you blame them? I'm sure the film will be good. It could even be great. It has a shit load of talented people working on it and a stellar cast, yes even Gal Gadot. I'm sure it would be a different story if Man of Steel had better reviews instead of the mixed ones and made a bit more money. Also after Winter Soldier Cap would probably be the last Marvel series I'd want to go up against. People are saying that Winter Soldier is going to be one of those legendary comic book movies that people talk about years down the road.

For them right now it probably is the best choice to play it safe. So they can get their money and if the film is good so they can start building the loyalty that Marvel films have. They aren't in a position to compete directly with something like Captain America. It'd be like a level 5 Bulbasaur going up against a level 50 Charizard. We all know how this is going to end.

Well of course more people would wait for Dawn of Justice if Man of Steel was good. But with Man of Steel being mediocre at best and Green Lantern being horrifying, people have little faith in Dawn of Justice. I think it'll suck. Man of Steel also had a lot of talent behind it, but look at it.

 

[RJ Dalton]

It has a shit load of talented people working on it . . .

And also Zack Snyder.
http://www.sadtrombone.com/

I am not amused. Not sure if you were being serious or sarcastic.

300, Watchmen, Legend of the Guardians the Owls of Gahoole.

Are not really very good movies. Snyder is a man who uses a grab-bag of tricks - often inappropriately - to disguise his total incompetence as a director. Well, maybe "total incompetence" is a bit too harsh, but it takes a special kind of failure to understand basic cinema techniques to use shaky-cam during what is supposed to be a scene of a father and son having a heart-to-heart talk.

 

[MrBaskerville]

Tough choice? I guess it's only tough to choose if i'm forced to go, see the sequel to a bad Superman movie or the third sequel to a bland and boring Captain America movie (Haven't seen the second one, mind you). The choice is easy, skip the cinema and watch both on dvd^^. But does it really matter? It's 2016, that's so far into the future, who cares about specific release dates for 2016 at this point in tme?

 

[MrBaskerville]

It has a shit load of talented people working on it . . .

And also Zack Snyder.
http://www.sadtrombone.com/

I am not amused. Not sure if you were being serious or sarcastic.

300, Watchmen, Legend of the Guardians the Owls of Gahoole.

Are not really very good movies. Snyder is a man who uses a grab-bag of tricks - often inappropriately - to disguise his total incompetence as a director. Well, maybe "total incompetence" is a bit too harsh, but it takes a special kind of failure to understand basic cinema techniques to use shaky-cam during what is supposed to be a scene of a father and son having a heart-to-heart talk.

No matter what happens, he will always have the Dawn of the Dead remake, where he displays a lot of promise (unfortunately things went downhill from there, even though i will say that Watchmen is one of the few superhero movies that i truly enjoy, even though it´s nowhere near as good as its source material).

 

[Verlander]

Imagine the reaction 20 years ago if you'd have said that there was less confidence in a Batman and Superman crossover film than Captain America 3

 

[Keiichi Morisato]

*snip*

actually Aquaman as a character and Super Hero isn't shit at all, he is quite powerful. just most of his useful powers everyone else already has, and his unique powers are very situational. his main problem though has been shit writers who didn't give a shit about the character, and were upset they couldn't something more popular like Batman or Superman.

at some point i meant to say "no offence to DC fans" in that post but i seem to have forgotten to stick it in somewhere.

please understand i was speaking as a genuinely ignorant foreigner who has virtually no familiarity with the character or the comics.

i was just trying to suggest that all these other DC heroes are not very well known or appreciated outside the US and so this list of films seems like a pretty big gamble from DC given the budgets that will likely be spent on them so they look up to par with the competition and the healthy world box office returns that will have to come in to cover profit over and above that spend.

i guess what i'm saying in a nutshell is i don't think the rest of the world appreciates these other heroes nearly as much as fans like you do.

I was just defending Aquaman that's all. I personally don't care for DC at all, mostly because the Heroes are supposed to be like Greek heroes, and I have never cared for Greek mythology. I prefer Mrvel because there is more character development, and most of the heroes are not godlike. DC is way too OP.

 

[prpshrt]

Unless its Christian Bale as batman, it makes complete sense. This movie would get pummeled by the cap

 

[KazeAizen]

It has a shit load of talented people working on it . . .

And also Zack Snyder.
http://www.sadtrombone.com/

I am not amused. Not sure if you were being serious or sarcastic.

300, Watchmen, Legend of the Guardians the Owls of Gahoole.

Are not really very good movies. Snyder is a man who uses a grab-bag of tricks - often inappropriately - to disguise his total incompetence as a director. Well, maybe "total incompetence" is a bit too harsh, but it takes a special kind of failure to understand basic cinema techniques to use shaky-cam during what is supposed to be a scene of a father and son having a heart-to-heart talk.

A shit load of other people besides me would disagree with you.

 

[SeeDarkly_Xero]

Imagine the reaction 20 years ago if you'd have said that there was less confidence in a Batman and Superman crossover film than Captain America 3

20 years ago a "World's Finest" film would have replaced Batman Forever, potentially eradicating the Schumacher line and Christopher Reeve 'could have' made a comeback as well since he had not yet been paralyzed. (However, it was roughly 20 years ago that they were planning a Superman film with Nick Cage as Kal-el... where do you think things started going wrong?)

Meanwhile, 20 years ago Marvel (by way of New Line) hadn't even made a success of Blade yet (Which happened to be written by MOS's Goyer. What the hell happened to that guy?) and the only movie they had gotten to box office was Howard the Duck in the '80s. (Funny how things come full circle.)


In 20 years DC also has only brought to film Batman (x5), Superman, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern & (technically) Watchmen.

In those 20 years, Marvel (and those with specific Marvel rights) has brought 12 individual title characters (8 of them multiple times) and 4 teams (2 multiples) to film.

Considering the first Superman film dates back to 1951... you'd think DC could branch out and make better use of its catalog than it has.
But the truth is, in 20 years DC filmmakers have relied a little too much on Batman (though I wouldn't deny the Goyer/Nolan Batman films were impressive) and in the past 5 years they squandered overall consumer trust... a lot.

 

[Verlander]

Imagine the reaction 20 years ago if you'd have said that there was less confidence in a Batman and Superman crossover film than Captain America 3

20 years ago a "World's Finest" film would have replaced Batman Forever, potentially eradicating the Schumacher line and Christopher Reeve 'could have' made a comeback as well since he had not yet been paralyzed. (However, it was roughly 20 years ago that they were planning a Superman film with Nick Cage as Kal-el... where do you think things started going wrong?)

Meanwhile, 20 years ago Marvel (by way of New Line) hadn't even made a success of Blade yet (Which happened to be written by MOS's Goyer. What the hell happened to that guy?) and the only movie they had gotten to box office was Howard the Duck in the '80s. (Funny how things come full circle.)


In 20 years DC also has only brought to film Batman (x5), Superman, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern & (technically) Watchmen.

In those 20 years, Marvel (and those with specific Marvel rights) has brought 12 individual title characters (8 of them multiple times) and 4 teams (2 multiples) to film.

Considering the first Superman film dates back to 1951... you'd think DC could branch out and make better use of its catalog than it has.
But the truth is, in 20 years DC filmmakers have relied a little too much on Batman (though I wouldn't deny the Goyer/Nolan Batman films were impressive) and in the past 5 years they squandered overall consumer trust... a lot.

Batman was, and is, their downfall. They've only had success with dark and gritty, and so that remains their strategy to this day. Foolish.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

This is a DC movie. They need to have pride in it and that it will succeed. After all who would plow millions into a movie if they wernt confident it was awesome? Granted we have a while to go till its released but they need to sell the movie to us. Give us a taster that makes us think "fuck this is awesome". At the moment BvS is an unknown quantity. We have no idea whats going on. An i think that will change closer to release date.

 

[Darth_Payn]

Smart of WB for realizing they could not have Batman/Superman open the same weekend as Cap 3. They looked at the returns for Winter Soldier and GotG and thought, "Welp, not gonna touch that one." I do hope both movies are good.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Spoiler: As Cap himself said...

And let us not forget that DC only moved BvS to that May date in the first place (it had been slotted for 2015, but then they figured it wouldn't be ready in time) to try and take Marvel down a peg by forcing them to move aside. It was an incredibly juvenile show of bullying... showing up with the big hyped DC team-up movie and setting it against a Marvel solo outing.

You know, you could make a meta-comic out of this. DC figured Cap wouldn't dare take on Batman AND Superman without the rest of the Avengers backing him up. But instead, Cap said "No, you move," and lo and behold, Captain America fought off Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman all at once.

A great panel for a funny moment in the ongoing Marvel vs DC war.

OT: I figured DC would give way. The publicity from the act wasn't going to translate into numbers at the box office and superhero movies are very expensive so I bet the executives at the top were actually given the projections on how much they stood to lose by that decision. Once they figured out their bonus was in jeopardy, they ran. Marvel has Disney behind them.

 

[hermes]

We are not even halfway there, and they are talking about reserving dates into the next decade? Seriously? 2020? 2020 !!!
Ok, This is where I draw my line. Enough of this.

Are they really expecting people to be excited because: "hey! where are going to keep making movies... six years from now!"? I get that movies take a long time to produce, but these are beyond ridiculous. There is one reason why there are a bunch of "untitled", its because no one there knows what they are...

 

[hermes]

Imagine the reaction 20 years ago if you'd have said that there was less confidence in a Batman and Superman crossover film than Captain America 3

20 years ago a "World's Finest" film would have replaced Batman Forever, potentially eradicating the Schumacher line and Christopher Reeve 'could have' made a comeback as well since he had not yet been paralyzed. (However, it was roughly 20 years ago that they were planning a Superman film with Nick Cage as Kal-el... where do you think things started going wrong?)

Meanwhile, 20 years ago Marvel (by way of New Line) hadn't even made a success of Blade yet (Which happened to be written by MOS's Goyer. What the hell happened to that guy?) and the only movie they had gotten to box office was Howard the Duck in the '80s. (Funny how things come full circle.)


In 20 years DC also has only brought to film Batman (x5), Superman, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern & (technically) Watchmen.

In those 20 years, Marvel (and those with specific Marvel rights) has brought 12 individual title characters (8 of them multiple times) and 4 teams (2 multiples) to film.

Considering the first Superman film dates back to 1951... you'd think DC could branch out and make better use of its catalog than it has.
But the truth is, in 20 years DC filmmakers have relied a little too much on Batman (though I wouldn't deny the Goyer/Nolan Batman films were impressive) and in the past 5 years they squandered overall consumer trust... a lot.

Batman was, and is, their downfall. They've only had success with dark and gritty, and so that remains their strategy to this day. Foolish.

To be fair, less "dark and gritty" was what gave us Batman & Robin and Green Lantern. As much as they try to apply that formula to anything now, they haven't proved they can do better with any other one.

 

[Verlander]

Batman was, and is, their downfall. They've only had success with dark and gritty, and so that remains their strategy to this day. Foolish.

To be fair, less "dark and gritty" was what gave us Batman & Robin and Green Lantern. As much as they try to apply that formula to anything now, they haven't proved they can do better with any other one.

Fair, but they gotta find the right tone for the property. Dark works for Batman, but it doesn't do so well for other characters. Green Lantern had problems way beyond tone