Dear Capcom... NERF AMATERASU!

[Srakin]

Do better combos. They don't balance these games based on mid-level play.

 

[Srakin]

You forgot: "She's a goddess, she's supposed to be OP" in your predictions.

And there it is. How can you honestly expect a dude with biceps the size of his head to compete with a goddess?

Freaking ninja.
To OP it's not like most of the people could fight against each other anyway/
Ryu vs wolverine?
Hulk vs a guy with a gun?
Don't make me laugh.

*double-posts like a boss*
You forgot the best one, Magneto vs Tron/Zero/Wolverine/Sentinel/Ironman/etc.etc. When half the cast relies entirely on metal parts or weapons, the guy who is the master of magnetism would stomp all over them.

 

[Ranorak]

Long story short I was playing MvC3 online and just ended up fighting a bunch of fire-disk spammers

eventually I got bored and did some combos as some characters to do a damage comparison

here's the math

Spoiler: THE MATH!!!

what's wrong with this

Dante: dL,L,M,H,S,(sj.),MM(dj)MHS, dfHHH, fH, S+P QCF+L, QCB+L, H, QCF+PP
548,000 damage/52 Hits

Wolverine: L,M,L,H,S,(sj.),MMLH,df.S+P,dH,H,S,(sj.),MMLH,QCB+PP
525,000 damage/30 Hits

Chris: L,dM,H,fH,S,(sj.),MMH,QCF+H, H, S, (sj.), MMHS, QCF+PP
504,800 damage/16 hits

Wesker: L,dM,H,QCF+M, S,(sj.) MMH,QCF+PP
565,700 damage/23 hits

Taskmaster: L,M,fH,MM,fH,MMH,bH,S,(sj.),MM,fH,MM,QCF+PP
529,000 damage/42 Hits


Amaterasu: HHHHH,S,(sj.),HHH, QCF+PP
545,300 damage/37 Hits

Translation: AMMY IS BROKEN AS ALL HECK!

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
All the other characters had complex things that were hard to pull off...
Ammy, Mash "Heavy" 5 times, Jump in air, mash 3 more times, use special
over half your health gone from a combo a 5 year old could figure out in 10 minutes or less

So, please post comments

Spoiler: I CAN SEE THE FUTURE!

Some predictions of peoples comments

"Well it's MvC3, you expected balance?"
"DUR HUR IT'S NOT A "REAL" FIGHTER LIKE MORAL KOMBAT!" (<-- I like MK, but it has pretty shallow gameplay)
"Well it's not like it's Super Street Fighter 4, or Blaze Blue or anything"
"Isn't THAT the game that charged $5 PER dlc character?"
"HOW LONG UNTIL THEY RELEASE DOC OC AND FRANK F***ING WEST!?"

This is of course countered by the fact that she has a very small amount of hit points.

Spoiler

Dante: 900,000
Wolverine: 950,000
Chris: 1,100,000
Wesker: 1,100,000
Taskmaster: 1,100,000
Ammy: 800,000

The only one with less health then Ammy is PHoenix.
I suggest looking over http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Marvel_vs_Capcom_3/Character_Comparisons [this]

 

[twistedheat15]

Hmm... I'm surprised Daystar hasn't kicked this thread down simply for having "nerf" and "Amaterasu" in the same line.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Hmm... I'm surprised Daystar hasn't kicked this thread down simply for having "nerf" and "Amaterasu" in the same line.

Stand aside citizen!

I'll handle this!

Ahem.

[HEADING=1]RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE![/HEADING]


Right, now that's done, I'll actually contribute.

As someone who has used Ammy since day 1 of MvC3, her disk spam isn't as much as a threat, as it is a punishment for people who can't deal with rushdown characters, for the same reason that Wolverine's aerial drop kick punishes people for blocking low too much. Also, Ammy has something like the lowest health in the game after Phoenix, so it balances out.

 

[Harlemura]

Counter math! [http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2011/feb/07/health-stamina-rankings-marvel-vs-capcom-3/]

Apart from Sentinel who now has a little over 900,000 health (I think), this is what everyone's health currently looks like. Ammy's down in the 800,000 health bracket at the bottom.
I class these as the sort of "gimmicky" characters. Arthur's entirely based on keep-away, Akuma does mucho damage, Zero has mucho range on his normal attacks and Ammy has some really simple combos. All of these things easily countered thanks to low health.

This is the impression I get from me and my friend using all four of them quite a lot, anyway. I'm sure there's more reasoning behind their health that actually makes sense.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

Really I think the fact that Ammy is so much smaller than everyone else is why she is kinda OP.
But then again I am pretty terrible at the game so what I just said may not really matter.

You are 100% right. Her damage is actually very low compared to some other rushdown characters, but her speed and small size make her very difficult to hit, and even when you do hit her she can fall out of combos easily. She also might as well have total immunity to most projectiles, because they just whiz right over her head.

 

[WOPR]

Really I think the fact that Ammy is so much smaller than everyone else is why she is kinda OP.
But then again I am pretty terrible at the game so what I just said may not really matter.

You are 100% right. Her damage is actually very low compared to some other rushdown characters, but her speed and small size make her very difficult to hit, and even when you do hit her she can fall out of combos easily. She also might as well have total immunity to most projectiles, because they just whiz right over her head.

I hate fighting Ammy when my only real projectile character is taskmaster... (my team = Dante, Wolverine, Taskmaster)

 

[WOPR]

Amaterasu is balanced, I think. It evens out when she (he?) deals damage like that because her health is incredibly low.

I wouldn't call 4/5's average INCREDIBLY low, PHOENIX is INCREDIBLY low (2/5's average)

and when there's crap tons of people I know saying that the disk needs nerfing because no combo that simple should do THAT kind of damage, there's a serious problem

Do better combos. They don't balance these games based on mid-level play.

I'll listen to that when you can do a better combo then one of mine (with a 1 super limit and NOT using an x-factor cancel)

I was listing b&b combos of mine, not 5 bar/team combos

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Here's the thing, yes she has a stupidly easy combo that does "okay" damage...so the fuck what lol. Unless you suck, that kind of damage is a waste of a hiconfirm and may cost you the match. That kind of complaint is relavamt only when people outright suck.

 

[WOPR]

Here's the thing, yes she has a stupidly easy combo that does "okay" damage...so the fuck what lol. Unless you suck, that kind of damage is a waste of a hiconfirm and may cost you the match. That kind of complaint is relavamt only when people outright suck.

relevant*

and sense when is over 50% of a health bar considered "okay" damage

and dealing out that kind of power isn't a waste of a hit confirm whatsoever; did you even bother to look at the math or are you just trolling me and assuming I suck because I'm ragging on a character you probably like?

as for your, "when people outright suck" argument
offline speaking- I'm undefeated
online, the only ones that beat me are the ones on my own level or higher (which is rare)
OR
the people who lag like no tomorrow and spam projectiles/that fire disk, you can't very well block/counter when there's a 2 second delay on all your movements and all they have to do is hit the same button until they hit-confirm then follow though with the same button

have you ever even played it online..? (with lag..?)

(and before you say it's me that lagging, I have a dedicated wired connection here, it's not like I'm running a wifi-server with 3 people playing WoW on it, my ping is 20-28 on average)

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Is your offline competition anything more than just couple of friends though? Cause if not it doesn't mean amything that you're undefeated. As for 600k off of a naked strong hit? Most of the cast can do much more than that with such a good of a starter. Online affects blocking more than anything really, I've over1000 games.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Here's the thing, yes she has a stupidly easy combo that does "okay" damage...so the fuck what lol. Unless you suck, that kind of damage is a waste of a hiconfirm and may cost you the match. That kind of complaint is relavamt only when people outright suck.

relevant*

and sense when is over 50% of a health bar considered "okay" damage

and dealing out that kind of power isn't a waste of a hit confirm whatsoever; did you even bother to look at the math or are you just trolling me and assuming I suck because I'm ragging on a character you probably like?

as for your, "when people outright suck" argument
offline speaking- I'm undefeated
online, the only ones that beat me are the ones on my own level or higher (which is rare)
OR
the people who lag like no tomorrow and spam projectiles/that fire disk, you can't very well block/counter when there's a 2 second delay on all your movements and all they have to do is hit the same button until they hit-confirm then follow though with the same button

have you ever even played it online..? (with lag..?)

(and before you say it's me that lagging, I have a dedicated wired connection here, it's not like I'm running a wifi-server with 3 people playing WoW on it, my ping is 20-28 on average)

For someone who uses Dante and Taskmaster, you're coming across as rather arrogant.

Defending against Ammy is just a matter of patience, just keep using advance guard and wait for a moment to strike.

Hell, Tasmaster's counter should bloody make that easy enough.

Simple =/= broken

 

[boag]

Why didnt you put Gene Capcom?
Why? ;_;

 

[Drakmeire]

So Ammy is overpowered because she is slightly weaker than Wesker and Dante?

 

[Penitent]

If you've played Okami, you'd be disappointed that Amaterasu wasn't broken. I know I sure am.

But Amaterasu's low health is a strong factor working against her - a single hit can often mean the end of her. She has to be godly. The solar flare only offers a minor portion of her abilities anyway: the Thunder Glaive and Devout Beads need to be used as well.

 

[Talon_Skywarp]

I wanted this team banned tbh.

Dante
Wolverine
Akuma.

Every single time.

I'm going keep using Spencer til I found a way to break him!

 

[Jimmy T. Malice]

At least she doesn't use the Celestial Brush...

 

[Pedro The Hutt]

Marvel vs. Capcom has been broken since MvC2, MvC3 is arguably even worse, what ~were~ you expecting? Besides, every single character has a combo that can kill Sentinel, so where is your problem again?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

At least she doesn't use the Celestial Brush...

If anything, Ammy is holding back.

She wants to give the mortals a chance...