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I'll have to look that up. I also loved the 2009 Wonder Woman movie. I also liked Green Lantern: First Flight which came out about the same time I think. So can we get more of those? Perhaps a solo Flash movie? Other than Flashpoint I mean 'cause that doesn't really count.WhiteFangofWar said:
Yeah, and I saw the trailer for the next Injustice game. It's mostly Batman characters. It must suck to be a DC fan.Samtemdo8 said:I like Batman as is, but with the way DC goes about with him, this is too much of a good thing.Lisker84 said:
And sadly there are people out there that loves and only cares about Batman and not give a damn about anyone else. And the writers certainly don't help beause they love him the most to, I mean Batman's standalone has the biggest universe ever it rivals DC in general Most of the Famous DC villains comes from the Batman universe.
What does Superman have? Lex Luthor? Branianc, Arguably Darkseid?
Wonder Woman? All I know is Ares and the Cheetah Lady.
Batman has 10+ famous villains in his pocket
Why is Posion Ivy a Batman villain and not a Wonder Woman villain?
Why is Clayface a Batman villain and not a Superman villain?
Batman, Batnam and friends, Bat-Family, and Bat-adjacent comics probably make up at least 75% of DC's comic marketshare.
It's the Wolverine effect, only taking a lot longer to get out of DC's system
It's the Wolverine effect, only taking a lot longer to get out of DC's system
Look, let's all be real here: the reason there's so much stuff about Batman is because Batman makes the most money. Batman makes the most money because he's the most cool. They could try and do other stuff, but the other stuff is not as cool as Batman, and we all know it.
I second this query. The Arkham games were about as close to a Batman simulator as one can get without adding game mechanics for doing detective work on the Batcomputer.Kibeth41 said:
I'm aware of that. However the market is oversaturated with fucking Batman. It reminds me of a children's book I read as a kid called Bread and Jam for Francis where the titular Francis wanted to eat nothing but bread and jam for every meal of every day until she got sick of it. That's seems to be the mentality of these entertainment corporations, when something becomes popular they flood the market with it until the audience becomes sick of it and then move on to the next thing, rinse and repeat.altnameJag said:
Batman vs spiderman? Amrita? Whatever studio pays more budget, their hero wins.
Good plan? I think so
Good plan? I think so
The DC comics aren't dark and edgy anymore. Thankfully.Samtemdo8 said:
The movies are a different story.
Ok... Dear DC, just an idea.
Justice League is poisoned. You've proven so far that its impossible to build a shared movie universe on the awful foundation that was Man of Steel. Even if the movies make money, they will still be in inferior product to your competitors and an inferior money maker than what it could be.
So, reboot already. And... don't do or even work toward Justice League. Work toward Justice Society. Make the new rebooted universe the GOLDEN age DC heroes. Modern comic book audiences are way more familiar with the Silver Age, this gives you some freedom to do different and interesting things with the characters. Like say for instance... Batman. You could make his inclusion into the JSA more about him being the world's greatest detective, and less about him being the worlds broodiest rich ninja.
Another plus, ALL NEW HEROES. Or at least mostly new heroes. Batman and Superman wouldn't even need to be in the mix at all, they weren't at the beginning of JSA. Meaning you could make the first ever Dr. Fate movie, Jay Garrich Flash movie, Alan Scott Green Lantern movie, Sandman, Hourman, the Specter... really interesting things could be made from these characters. And if a movie doesn't do well, you can back shelf it and make them just an also ran in the team ups. And there are plenty of Golden age heroes, not associated with the JSA that could be. You have the freedom to make them whatever they need to be to make the stories more interesting and better.
And THEN you can bring in the heavies of Batman or Superman. Later. When they aren't associated with the failure they are right now.
Justice League is poisoned. You've proven so far that its impossible to build a shared movie universe on the awful foundation that was Man of Steel. Even if the movies make money, they will still be in inferior product to your competitors and an inferior money maker than what it could be.
So, reboot already. And... don't do or even work toward Justice League. Work toward Justice Society. Make the new rebooted universe the GOLDEN age DC heroes. Modern comic book audiences are way more familiar with the Silver Age, this gives you some freedom to do different and interesting things with the characters. Like say for instance... Batman. You could make his inclusion into the JSA more about him being the world's greatest detective, and less about him being the worlds broodiest rich ninja.
Another plus, ALL NEW HEROES. Or at least mostly new heroes. Batman and Superman wouldn't even need to be in the mix at all, they weren't at the beginning of JSA. Meaning you could make the first ever Dr. Fate movie, Jay Garrich Flash movie, Alan Scott Green Lantern movie, Sandman, Hourman, the Specter... really interesting things could be made from these characters. And if a movie doesn't do well, you can back shelf it and make them just an also ran in the team ups. And there are plenty of Golden age heroes, not associated with the JSA that could be. You have the freedom to make them whatever they need to be to make the stories more interesting and better.
And THEN you can bring in the heavies of Batman or Superman. Later. When they aren't associated with the failure they are right now.
Wow all of that just sounds lame. I ma sorry dude but the Golden Age and Silver Age are just dated.Kyrian007 said:
I don't want to see the DC heroes looking like this in live action:
I am sorry dude but what you are asking for is more appropriate for Animation than Live Action. Because it would look so gaudy live action.
I am starting to get tired of Batman in the current DCAU, though that's mostly because the current DCAU is kinda shit.
Have you seen some of the golden age character designs? Many of them are considerably less gaudy than their Silver Age counterparts. Like Flash. Who wears what essentially is jeans and a long sleeved red shirt with the logo, as opposed to a bodystocking. The golden age Sandman, trench coat and gas mask, he essentially is a toned down Rorschach. There are some more fantastical design, sure. Dr. Fate; dark blue suit, bigass Dr. Strange cape, gold helmet. Specter, albino in a dark green hood. Even so, many of these guys WEAR PANTS. That's a step toward a more normalized design than many superheroes. Green Lantern wears pants, and while it is gaudy his cape has a massive popped collar (a thing in the 2000's.)Samtemdo8 said:Wow all of that just sounds lame. I ma sorry dude but the Golden Age and Silver Age are just dated.Kyrian007 said:
I don't want to see the DC heroes looking like this in live action:
I am sorry dude but what you are asking for is more appropriate for Animation than Live Action. Because it would look so gaudy live action.
Actually their design and the overall look could easily look a lot like what Snyder landed on in Watchmen. And when he is going more or less on script and storyboarding from comics... he did fine. His problem was stupid visual and camera gimmicks, not character design.
Besides, the point wasn't about design. It was about the freedom to tell stories about different, not overused and ruined characters. Freedom to do things like modernize the character designs. Although in many instances that would be a mistake (like X-Men biker leather level mistake) because you don't chose to adapt an iconic character and then change the design that's part of what MAKES them iconic.
And that's the plus of JSA as opposed to JLA, these characters are farther removed from their pop culture "iconic" status. Updates or even slight changes to backstories aren't going to "freak out the fanboys" like it does to more "iconic" characters like Supes and Bats.
Allow me to contend that Legends of Tomorrow did Golden/Silver Age heroes like the JSA fairly well, even on a TV budget. Its not always looks, its presentation, characterization... Granted it wasn't like a constant thing, but the few episodes they've been in actually were good. CW/DC though has been more on-point with using a lot of the sillier heroes/villains of the pre-Dark Knight age fairly well. Even King Shark and Gorilla Grodd were good despite being ridiculous concepts.Samtemdo8 said:
Yes I have seen the original Golden Age designs, and they look boring and old. And I LOVED Snyder's camara cinematography in Watchmen, especially that one face close up scene of Rorschach in the rain:Kyrian007 said:Have you seen some of the golden age character designs? Many of them are considerably less gaudy than their Silver Age counterparts. Like Flash. Who wears what essentially is jeans and a long sleeved red shirt with the logo, as opposed to a bodystocking. The golden age Sandman, trench coat and gas mask, he essentially is a toned down Rorschach. There are some more fantastical design, sure. Dr. Fate; dark blue suit, bigass Dr. Strange cape, gold helmet. Specter, albino in a dark green hood. Even so, many of these guys WEAR PANTS. That's a step toward a more normalized design than many superheroes. Green Lantern wears pants, and while it is gaudy his cape has a massive popped collar (a thing in the 2000's.)Samtemdo8 said:Wow all of that just sounds lame. I ma sorry dude but the Golden Age and Silver Age are just dated.Kyrian007 said:
I don't want to see the DC heroes looking like this in live action:
I am sorry dude but what you are asking for is more appropriate for Animation than Live Action. Because it would look so gaudy live action.
Actually their design and the overall look could easily look a lot like what Snyder landed on in Watchmen. And when he is going more or less on script and storyboarding from comics... he did fine. His problem was stupid visual and camera gimmicks, not character design.
Besides, the point wasn't about design. It was about the freedom to tell stories about different, not overused and ruined characters. Freedom to do things like modernize the character designs. Although in many instances that would be a mistake (like X-Men biker leather level mistake) because you don't chose to adapt an iconic character and then change the design that's part of what MAKES them iconic.
And that's the plus of JSA as opposed to JLA, these characters are farther removed from their pop culture "iconic" status. Updates or even slight changes to backstories aren't going to "freak out the fanboys" like it does to more "iconic" characters like Supes and Bats.
But I get what you are trying to say, and I hate it when the fanboys freak out about changes in the "iconic" character's stories to. Its annoying and coming from me I have seen worse things done to these charcaters than Snyder's moves.
That's pretty much why I like the Arrowverse more than the DCEU: it's allowed to have fun and embrace the sillier aspects of comic books. Villains are goofy and cheesy. Characters ham it up all the time. Those shows are aware of how ridiculous comics sometimes get ... and don't care.Imperioratorex Caprae said:
"Yes, go Barry! Run at that 2 ton sharkman!"
I hate the sillier aspect of comic books because then I cannot take these heroes seriously anymore.Chimpzy said:
And people think "treating things seriously" is a bad and not valid thing to have anymore. I longer care about the charcaters if they just act like goofballs aimed for 10 year olds anymore. I want Superheroes to mature and stay mature.
I want DC to take notes from Vertigo comics than thier Silver Age past.
