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Taerdin said:
Evil Jak said:
Cocal said:
As a rule I only like band that are more underground that most things.
BECAUSE
well... they're better.

Suicide Silence is just trying to be the "baddest" band out there (I mean like bad ass). However if you go to band that have nothing like Converge then I will give it to yea.
Woah, woah, woooaaaah... since when are underground bands better? I thought the reason they were underground is because they suck so hard.
Actually its pretty common knowledge that it takes complete mediocrity to make it in the biz. The more generic and unoriginal you are, the wider your appeal.
Hmm, being good is subjective. It is defined by what people perceive to be good, so therefore as I said... the underground cannot actually be good(unless they get recognition of course and choose to stay underground rather than get a record deal) or they wouldnt be underground.
 

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Clowncores pretty good.

Not into overly heavy music, can listen to though but prefer more musically talented music.
 

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Clowncores pretty good.
I really hope you're not referring to ICP. That band... I can't think of a word or phrase that describes how much I hate them.
 

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Taerdin said:
Evil Jak said:
Cocal said:
As a rule I only like band that are more underground that most things.
BECAUSE
well... they're better.

Suicide Silence is just trying to be the "baddest" band out there (I mean like bad ass). However if you go to band that have nothing like Converge then I will give it to yea.
Woah, woah, woooaaaah... since when are underground bands better? I thought the reason they were underground is because they suck so hard.
Actually its pretty common knowledge that it takes complete mediocrity to make it in the biz. The more generic and unoriginal you are, the wider your appeal.
I think that's because all the ground-breaking bands that have actually 'made it' have already been (Def Lepard, Rolling Stones, Who, Sex Pistols, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin...) and people reckon that the only way to sell albums is to sound as much as possible like these bands, and sadly the record companies agree and always go for the same tired formula. I can only hope that one day they will realise the error of their ays and give the Underground bands the credit they deserve.
 

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Therumancer said:
Except for Nerdcore. Us nerds have to stand together. :)

... and yes it exists.
edu-core, even better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGR6vX2-h1k&feature=related

this is a grind band that sings about sci-fi/fiction authors. they've been known to play shows at libraries and throw books out to their crowds. One of their mantras is "the faster you go deaf, the more time you have to read"
 

Taerdin

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Evil Jak said:
Taerdin said:
Evil Jak said:
Cocal said:
As a rule I only like band that are more underground that most things.
BECAUSE
well... they're better.

Suicide Silence is just trying to be the "baddest" band out there (I mean like bad ass). However if you go to band that have nothing like Converge then I will give it to yea.
Woah, woah, woooaaaah... since when are underground bands better? I thought the reason they were underground is because they suck so hard.
Actually its pretty common knowledge that it takes complete mediocrity to make it in the biz. The more generic and unoriginal you are, the wider your appeal.
Hmm, being good is subjective. It is defined by what people perceive to be good, so therefore as I said... the underground cannot actually be good(unless they get recognition of course and choose to stay underground rather than get a record deal) or they wouldnt be underground.
Capitalism creates a race to mediocrity, and the lowest common denominator will, by necessity, become the most prominent product. It isn't really surprising and has pretty much always been the case in music, just moreso since roughly the mid-80s with the advent of music TV. There are major, usually pleasant exceptions but even they were/are propped up to some extent by easily digested, safe pablum and heavy-duty marketing machines. Look at the list of best selling albums and you'll see half of it is garbage flavour-of-the-month stuff that nobody talks about now, the rest of it is stuff that maintained relevance throughout the years.

This isn't to say that anything massively popular with wide appeal is unremarkable, but that unremarkable is more likely to be massively popular with wide appeal.

If you're saying that the more recognition music gets the 'better' it is then you're basically saying that things like, the Jonas Brothers, and Lady GaGa are better than [insert your favourite band here], in which case... why would you even listen to that music when theres more popular (read: better) music out there?

Underground music isn't any less good than any other music. There is no direct relation between popularity and quality when it comes to the arts. An eithiopian man could paint the most breathtaking picture in the history of mankind, but he later starves to death and his work is gone from this world forever... just because no one knew about it doesn't mean it wasn't spectacular.

Yeah that was probably way too much ranting but I hate when people are like... well if it was good then why isnt it popular... if things are good they're popular etc. etc. because its really not the case. Things that are spectacular can go unnoticed, and mediocrity is celebrated on a daily basis.
 

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G1eet said:
D4zZ said:
Clowncores pretty good.
I really hope you're not referring to ICP. That band... I can't think of a word or phrase that describes how much I hate them.
Nope wasn't refering to a band, only one guy (Ed Cox) with an accordian he plays over drum and bass dressed as a full on clown.
Epicly funny.
[hr]bugger hes not fully clowned there, heres his usual attire :p
Edit: Sorry for going off topic.
 

Kinguendo

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Taerdin said:
Capitalism creates a race to mediocrity, and the lowest common denominator will, by necessity, become the most prominent product. It isn't really surprising and has pretty much always been the case in music, just moreso since roughly the mid-80s with the advent of music TV. There are major, usually pleasant exceptions but even they were/are propped up to some extent by easily digested, safe pablum and heavy-duty marketing machines. Look at the list of best selling albums and you'll see half of it is garbage flavour-of-the-month stuff that nobody talks about now, the rest of it is stuff that maintained relevance throughout the years.

This isn't to say that anything massively popular with wide appeal is unremarkable, but that unremarkable is more likely to be massively popular with wide appeal.

If you're saying that the more recognition music gets the 'better' it is then you're basically saying that things like, the Jonas Brothers, and Lady GaGa are better than [insert your favourite band here], in which case... why would you even listen to that music when theres more popular (read: better) music out there?

Underground music isn't any less good than any other music. There is no direct relation between popularity and quality when it comes to the arts. An eithiopian man could paint the most breathtaking picture in the history of mankind, but he later starves to death and his work is gone from this world forever... just because no one knew about it doesn't mean it wasn't spectacular.

Yeah that was probably way too much ranting but I hate when people are like... well if it was good then why isnt it popular... if things are good they're popular etc. etc. because its really not the case. Things that are spectacular can go unnoticed, and mediocrity is celebrated on a daily basis.
Thats a hell of a post you got there... also I dont celebrate mediocrity, I like music that I actually like... Proof is that I dont like Pendulum and Oasis or The freakin' Beetles.

Thats supply and demand for you.
 

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superbleeder12 said:
Therumancer said:
Except for Nerdcore. Us nerds have to stand together. :)

... and yes it exists.
edu-core, even better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGR6vX2-h1k&feature=related

this is a grind band that sings about sci-fi/fiction authors. they've been known to play shows at libraries and throw books out to their crowds. One of their mantras is "the faster you go deaf, the more time you have to read"
That is beautiful.

And I think Deathcore would be a great band name.
 

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D4zZ said:
G1eet said:
D4zZ said:
Clowncores pretty good.
I really hope you're not referring to ICP. That band... I can't think of a word or phrase that describes how much I hate them.
Nope wasn't refering to a band, only one guy (Ed Cox) with an accordian he plays over drum and bass dressed as a full on clown.
Epicly funny.
Thank god.

And for the record, that's hilarious.
 
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Suicide Silence is that sort of deathcore that is in-audible, however if you were to listen to some stuff like;
Parkway Drive
Bring Me The Horizon
The Devil Wears Prada
and August Burns Red, then you might find that you like it.
 

TK421

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Deathcore is alright.
Kahoony117 said:
The Devil Wears Prada
and August Burns Red
These bands are the pinnacle of awesomeness. Bless The Fall is awesome toos.
 

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I'm normally a pop fan, although that has been extended slightly over the past couple of months. I'm still not into any metal though...
 

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Alcookie said:
OK so a friend recommended that I listened to some Deathcore bands which he frequently described as 'brootal' and being generally into rock music and open minded I gave some a try.

Whitechapel, Suicide Silence and the other deathcore bands that seemed to all use the same font for their logos (dont believe me, google them) all brought about the same three noises from my mouth...

WHAT THE FUCK!

What are everyone elses views on this genre?
I don't know about Whitechapel, but I would class Suicide Silence as grindcore (totally different to deathcore).....I like the way the vocals kind of seem like just another instrument rather than the main focus though... =]
 

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The Maddest March Hare said:
ActionDan said:
Evil Jak said:
madbird-valiant said:
Deathcore is shit. Death metal on it's own is fairly unbearable, but mixed with metalcore it just makes me want to dig things into my eyeballs.
Oh Madbird, how could you say that about one of my favourite music genres - Melodic Death Metal. :(
You too huh? Well Death Metal and MELODIC Death metal are slightly different. Melodic Black metal has more melody, i.e Orchestra music, Piano's, Cellos's, whatnot, and that is why I like Melodic etc. Although I prefer the Black metal kind.
Umm. I'm not 100% on this, but isn't Melodic Death Metal with the harmonic guitars (see In Flames, pioneers of the genre, considerably lacking in orchestral work.) I think you're referring to Symphonic Death Metal (they should really prune the metal tree, it's getting a few too many off-shoots). Just though I'd say XD
I don't believe so, I believe that Dimmu Borgir is one of the spawns of Melodic Black Metal, and InFlames is some other genre.
 

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"-Core" bands come off as immature attempts at "br00tality" that think screaming vocals and fast riffs are the only way to make a good metal sound.

I was disappointed with this year's Summer Slaughter. Lots of screamo-ish bands touring with the likes of Suffocation and Necrophagist...insulting.
 

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superbleeder12 said:
any -core band is terrible. proven fact. I have the graphs that prove it.
Show them


Even though Deathcore is shit not all -core genres are bad (mathcore is the best though of them)
 

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I disagree that any "-core" band is terrible. You need to define terrible. Is it your opinion of them superbleeder12, or is it a general consensus that you've taken over the months, asked a wide variety of different people from different countries and backgrounds and come to the conclusion that any "-core" band is terrible?

I think not.

Before you attempt to attack a genre of music, prove how you've gotten to your opinion. Graphs do not show anything. They're simply lines on paper stating the opinions of people who probably don't even know what "-core" means.
 

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Woah, woah, woooaaaah... since when are underground bands better? I thought the reason they were underground is because they suck so hard.[/quote]

Since they have always been. Popular music is too easy to create and I really hate things that anybody can do. Now I'm not saying that it's extremely easy to become "big" it takes some talent but most things that are not underground do not please me.