I'd use my self taught Muai Thai to hopefully fuck one or two of 'em up enough to get the rest to leave me alone.
Defending one's self
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A gang of people attacking me with knuckle things?
Looks like I pissed off the wrong kind of crowd. Talking probably won't help. Bribary wouldn't work either since they're probably just gonna continue extorting me...
I can probably REALLY hurt one or two of them, if one of the comes at me first (Which usually happens, the leader, or the one who has the problem with you smacktalks you because he has friends backing him up) but after that they'll just hit me harder so that ain't too great of an option... -.-
Somehow fleeing into the crowd ain't an option either? Against as much as 5 or more I'm not going to pull out a weapon. I ain't going to kill them, so it will just backfire and they'll stab me with my own dagger. #.#
In a nutshell: There's no way to defend myself, you already blocked every option there is by letting them be so many and with a forcefield-encased crowd that somehow doesn't let me escape. If the crowd is in fact humans, and not indeed a forcefield as you make it sound, I would cry fire and murder and hope the crowd responds somehow. xD
Note: What are their sentiments? :O Are they out for my life?
Looks like I pissed off the wrong kind of crowd. Talking probably won't help. Bribary wouldn't work either since they're probably just gonna continue extorting me...
I can probably REALLY hurt one or two of them, if one of the comes at me first (Which usually happens, the leader, or the one who has the problem with you smacktalks you because he has friends backing him up) but after that they'll just hit me harder so that ain't too great of an option... -.-
Somehow fleeing into the crowd ain't an option either? Against as much as 5 or more I'm not going to pull out a weapon. I ain't going to kill them, so it will just backfire and they'll stab me with my own dagger. #.#
In a nutshell: There's no way to defend myself, you already blocked every option there is by letting them be so many and with a forcefield-encased crowd that somehow doesn't let me escape. If the crowd is in fact humans, and not indeed a forcefield as you make it sound, I would cry fire and murder and hope the crowd responds somehow. xD
Note: What are their sentiments? :O Are they out for my life?
I dont know where you live, you must live in some hard core area. Usually a gang hit is about 4-5 guys, and thats usually alot.Lemon Detective said:
Anyway, I've been in and out of fights. I'll fight by wearing them out. I'm a skinny kid, but i'm scrappy. I fight using redirection (ex they throw a punch, i use my hand to make it redirect to the ground). Plus, i have my phone in my pocket, so i throw that or keep it in my fist for a punch and collapse a windpipe. Then i usually have a pen on me, or a pencil or at the very least my keys. so thats a stab wound to the temple or neck. finally, on any given instance, i have three washer rings (little rings you use... pretty much anywhere, to releve stress and friction on machinery that rubs together), that are razor sharpened edges for tossing. So i'll toss the three and hope to cut something vital or throw two, keep one in my fist and use it as an edged blade when i punch.
and thats how i would do it, all perfectly reasonable and plausible. Hell, the last three times someone tried to fight me, they needed to bring two people with them. at least two. So two on one or one on one, after i just rendered three companions most likely unconscious and possibly two if not three of them close to death, they're going to be doubtful and not as likely to go at it with the same intesity. To which i crush both, the washer still in my hand. If they're lucky, i dont open their throats while they onthe ground, wanting to jump me.
I used to do Judo as a nipper, some of which i still remember so i'd probably have a go at employing the use of that - otherwise, a street item within reach? To be honest, a rubbish bin would be great for throwing as a distraction. I was in a fight once and threw a nearby trash can on my opponent (who was bigger and older than me by the way, i was about 15 at the time) which made him stumble over enough for me to get in there and do some damage.
[sup]I got such a bollocking from the Head of Year for that. And i felt so sorry for the poor soul who had to pick all the rubbish off the schoolyard floor when it was over.[/sup]
Failing that... I dunno, grab someone's shopping and swing it. There's no real way to defend yourself against such a numerical advantage without the aid of a weapon, unless you're skilled in CQC.
[sup]I got such a bollocking from the Head of Year for that. And i felt so sorry for the poor soul who had to pick all the rubbish off the schoolyard floor when it was over.[/sup]
Failing that... I dunno, grab someone's shopping and swing it. There's no real way to defend yourself against such a numerical advantage without the aid of a weapon, unless you're skilled in CQC.
Get all crazy-go-nuts on one. Put a thumb in his eye socket, bite his nose off, something to give the others pause. Would you rather fight a trained professional, or a man who fights like he has nothing at all to lose?
Oh my Christ. Another self-defence thread full of armchair ninjas.
The most sensible suggestion I saw was the guy who said he'd yell "FIRE" at the top of his lungs to get people's attention. It works for rape defence and it can work for you.
Fighting the people would be my last resort and I know a little bit about martial arts: 2yrs TKD (horseshit sport form), 7yrs JKD/Jun Fan, 7 yrs Kali, 1yr BJJ (effective, but also a sport and a bit brokeback for most people's tastes and relies on a 1-on-1 (literally) ground fight). These are just the styles I hold grades in, from White Belt +1 tab up to Instructorship grades.
Ultimately, trying to defuse the situation or make it so unattractive for them to fight you (enormous crowd full of witnesses is a good start, police attention is another) that they don't. If they do, stay on your feet, keep moving and cover your head and vitals as best you can. Most people can't throw punches very hard, and unless you've had DECENT training (not self-taught, not a McDojo and most importantly including sparring, survival drills and some contact to both your head and body) or you are legitimately insane or in danger of losing your life, do not try some shit you saw on TV or which your Sensei/Sifu/Guro/Pendekar/Kwan Jun Nim/Coach told you was a "guaranteed fight-stopper". Odds are good that such a teacher is a fat middle aged man who puts on a Gi twice a week and enjoys brainwashing kids. The gang will most likely curb-stomp you and laugh about how they merked some little Karate *****. This applies particularly to pressure-point techniques- however well they work on a stationary training partner in the dojo, trying to find the right spot on a guy to drop him, whilst dealing with the adrenaline dump which the situation has landed you in and keeping tabs on all assailants is an exercise in futility. Gross motor movements are about all you can muster at that point, and these will not hit a moving target the size of a penny.
Fortunately, as I said, most untrained people can't throw a decent punch or track moving targets with their shots. Covering up, staying mobile and staying on your feet therefore works pretty well, at least in avoiding serious injuries, unless weapons are involved. I've personally survived having the shit kicked out of me on a few occasions by groups which outnumbered me 3 or 4 to 1 (when I was less skilled and/or drunk) with nothing more than black eyes and a few cuts. Those healed faster than the broken fingers I would have sustained trying to punch them in the head.
On the other hand, just being fearless (or giving the impression of being so) can work to psyche people out, if they're starting a fight out of boredom rather than rage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYAMARdqvE
Although it helps if you're a brick shithouse. Obviously.
EDIT: By "Covering up" I don't mean adopting the fetal position and whimpering. Your elbows make good tools for blocking, especially when your hands are braced against your head. Low, round, Thai-style kicks can similarly be shielded with your knee or shin (I'd really advise against the shin unless you spend hours deadening your nerve endings against banana trees in an determined effort to give yourself bone cancer). This hurts like a mother. Don't believe me? Punch yourself in the elbow. There you go. That'll teach you to doubt me.
The most sensible suggestion I saw was the guy who said he'd yell "FIRE" at the top of his lungs to get people's attention. It works for rape defence and it can work for you.
Fighting the people would be my last resort and I know a little bit about martial arts: 2yrs TKD (horseshit sport form), 7yrs JKD/Jun Fan, 7 yrs Kali, 1yr BJJ (effective, but also a sport and a bit brokeback for most people's tastes and relies on a 1-on-1 (literally) ground fight). These are just the styles I hold grades in, from White Belt +1 tab up to Instructorship grades.
Ultimately, trying to defuse the situation or make it so unattractive for them to fight you (enormous crowd full of witnesses is a good start, police attention is another) that they don't. If they do, stay on your feet, keep moving and cover your head and vitals as best you can. Most people can't throw punches very hard, and unless you've had DECENT training (not self-taught, not a McDojo and most importantly including sparring, survival drills and some contact to both your head and body) or you are legitimately insane or in danger of losing your life, do not try some shit you saw on TV or which your Sensei/Sifu/Guro/Pendekar/Kwan Jun Nim/Coach told you was a "guaranteed fight-stopper". Odds are good that such a teacher is a fat middle aged man who puts on a Gi twice a week and enjoys brainwashing kids. The gang will most likely curb-stomp you and laugh about how they merked some little Karate *****. This applies particularly to pressure-point techniques- however well they work on a stationary training partner in the dojo, trying to find the right spot on a guy to drop him, whilst dealing with the adrenaline dump which the situation has landed you in and keeping tabs on all assailants is an exercise in futility. Gross motor movements are about all you can muster at that point, and these will not hit a moving target the size of a penny.
Fortunately, as I said, most untrained people can't throw a decent punch or track moving targets with their shots. Covering up, staying mobile and staying on your feet therefore works pretty well, at least in avoiding serious injuries, unless weapons are involved. I've personally survived having the shit kicked out of me on a few occasions by groups which outnumbered me 3 or 4 to 1 (when I was less skilled and/or drunk) with nothing more than black eyes and a few cuts. Those healed faster than the broken fingers I would have sustained trying to punch them in the head.
On the other hand, just being fearless (or giving the impression of being so) can work to psyche people out, if they're starting a fight out of boredom rather than rage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfYAMARdqvE
Although it helps if you're a brick shithouse. Obviously.
EDIT: By "Covering up" I don't mean adopting the fetal position and whimpering. Your elbows make good tools for blocking, especially when your hands are braced against your head. Low, round, Thai-style kicks can similarly be shielded with your knee or shin (I'd really advise against the shin unless you spend hours deadening your nerve endings against banana trees in an determined effort to give yourself bone cancer). This hurts like a mother. Don't believe me? Punch yourself in the elbow. There you go. That'll teach you to doubt me.
I love the internet tough guys in this thread.
No you would not kick one of their asses. No you would not snap one of their necks and have the rest back off. They would all approach you at once. And you would get hurt. Very badly. If that was their intention.
If I couldn't run away, I'm gonna have to assume I'd get my ass kicked. I'm 21, 130lbs and 5'4'', what the Hell do you expect me to do? Tear a lamp post out of the ground and smack them around with it?
No you would not kick one of their asses. No you would not snap one of their necks and have the rest back off. They would all approach you at once. And you would get hurt. Very badly. If that was their intention.
If I couldn't run away, I'm gonna have to assume I'd get my ass kicked. I'm 21, 130lbs and 5'4'', what the Hell do you expect me to do? Tear a lamp post out of the ground and smack them around with it?
I would try my best to kind of scurry between their ranks. I am five foot four for God's sake. Even if I went berserker's soul on their ass, that would put me well within horrible rape range. I'm small and fast since I commute to college via bike, but I am not so out of touch will reality that I fantasize that I, a very small male, could manage to take down one of two of them before getting my ass handed to me because I am not a psycho who carries a weapon around with me everywhere.Mikazuki said:
I would try to run past them, if that's my only option. The entire prospect of this thread is preposterous, denying fleeing or pleading for assistance from the crowd as alternatives, your only option is to get your ass kicked. The only thing more hilarious is that a good percentage of people in this thread have their head so far stuck in fantasy land that they believe their "Self-taught" martial arts are going to help them against a gang of FIVE PEOPLE out for blood.
Absolute genius.Mr.Mudkip said:
However, I have to say that it really depends on your ability to think on your feet.
When I was in junior high a new kid was approached by about eleven people while at his locker.
When someone from the group took a swing at the new boy, he ducked and cracked his recently unlocked padlock upside the other kids head.
He repeated this until the remaining three took off down the hallway, trailing blood behind them.
I'm now a senior in highschool and a veteran witness to school brawls.
I've yet to see something to match that particular brawl.
I'd Hulk the fuck out and run wild on them!
Unless of course they were really hard and I couldn't get into my headshakin' stride.
Seriously? I dunno, try and smack them in the nose? If you're in a crowd so dense you can't run away the fiasco isn't going to avoid attention for too long. I wouldn't mind taking a few punches to avoid any unnecessary complications with the police and whatnot. Not that I'd know but I imagine you have to spend far more time in a police station if you do some damage back.
Unless of course they were really hard and I couldn't get into my headshakin' stride.
Seriously? I dunno, try and smack them in the nose? If you're in a crowd so dense you can't run away the fiasco isn't going to avoid attention for too long. I wouldn't mind taking a few punches to avoid any unnecessary complications with the police and whatnot. Not that I'd know but I imagine you have to spend far more time in a police station if you do some damage back.
Liking your key idea, here's my game plan.
Distraction maybe try to be friendly.
"Hey, hey! What's going on? Anything I can do for you?"
Next, take a cheap shot and plop a knee into his obvious weak spot.
Use your key idea and try to hit the next one in the face/neck.
Dry/Rinse/Repeat until I find an opening and make my escape.
Distraction maybe try to be friendly.
"Hey, hey! What's going on? Anything I can do for you?"
Next, take a cheap shot and plop a knee into his obvious weak spot.
Use your key idea and try to hit the next one in the face/neck.
Dry/Rinse/Repeat until I find an opening and make my escape.
Gang of people? I'd run. No crowd's too dense to get away. No crowd.
5 people? I'd beat the hell out of the first one to say something. I'd sink my teeth into his throat, and lock my jaws until I either pass out, or he goes limp.
2-4 people? I'd brawl it out.
1 person? He'd better have sneaked up on me, otherwise he doesn't stand a chance.
5 people? I'd beat the hell out of the first one to say something. I'd sink my teeth into his throat, and lock my jaws until I either pass out, or he goes limp.
2-4 people? I'd brawl it out.
1 person? He'd better have sneaked up on me, otherwise he doesn't stand a chance.
