But the 9-11 hijackers weren't working for the Saudi Arabian government. Is it still terrorism if country isn't part of the equation?Instant K4rma said:I define terrorism as an act of violence from one country to another when the country executing the act of violence believes they are doing the right thing by their viewpoints. Example: 9-11.
How are al-Qaeda a country? Bear in mind that it wasn't the Taliban (who I am told kind of hated al-Qaeda, as they lived in their own places with their own laws and didn't obey the Taliban's strict codes) but al-Qaeda who was behind 9/11. Al-Qaeda don't have a nation. They are generally disliked by nations because they erode a nation's sovereignty. Besides, that makes most wars terrorism. The US' response was also, by that definition, terrorism. In fact, it was moreso than 9/11; at least the invasion of Afghanistan was done by a country.Instant K4rma said:I define terrorism as an act of violence from one country to another when the country executing the act of violence believes they are doing the right thing by their viewpoints. Example: 9-11. The terrorists who crashed the planes believed they were doing their country and their god justice, and that they would be rewarded for it. Im not saying they are good people; they killed thousands, but from their viewpoint, they are heroes in their country. They had an enemy, they attacked that enemy.
This is a less problematic definition, but I would like to posit the argument that Professor Faisal Devji makes in his much under-appreciated book, Landscapes of the Jihad, that al-Qaeda is less like, say, the Kurds in Turkey and Iraq (a minority that has been wronged repeatedly by history and resorts to terrorism) and more like an environmental movement, in that both are supra-national organizations with ethical, rather than political goals (bin Laden himself has claimed that the enemy is not the US, but "global Crusaderism.")Twuny20 said:Terroism is defined as acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments. Typically, they stage unexpected attacks on civilian targets, including embassies and airliners, with the aim of sowing fear and confusion.
What does terrorism look like?
I would disagree. I would say that there should be a term for those fighters who insist on blurring the lines between soldier and civilian (which, may I remind you, is a violation of Geneva Conventions) and so sow terror among civilians. There needs to be a term for those who deliberately aim at civilians, who meet their enemies in their homes and not a battlefield.Hardcore_gamer said:The very word terrorism is a pointless, one. There is no such thing as a terrorist. Just people labeled terrorists by the other side.
Actually, terrorists usually have ethical claims as well. Again, compare them to envoronmental movements. Environmental movements claim that the environmental crisis must be dealt with at a global scale, or not at all. They therefore operate on a global scale, without regard for national boundaries, and at times without regard for national interests. Rarely if ever are they attached to a nation, (can anyone say where Greenpeace is from? Now tell me why it matters, at this point?) but will more often have offices and efforts in many. They have a sense that their work is futile, but nevertheless worthy and they must therefore do it.santaandy said:Using violent means to inflict fear upon civilian or otherwise innocent people. Politics and personal goals are not part of it. That's one of the reasons freedom fighters are not terrorists, they have political/personal goals. They also don't (usually) target civilians, and they stop when they're done. Terrorists don't.
This is the dividing line right here. War does not have the intent to kill civilians. Terrorism does.Danny Ocean said:Yes, I heard those satellite-guided missiles are very accurate.odubya23 said:You mean like all the times the US sent bomber raids over Baghdad to enrage the civilians into overthrowing Saddam for us?
Sorry, how long ago was that? Did people even obey rules of engagement then?Or maybe you're refering to when the US moved all those Native Americans, 'to promote the Natives interests despite their inclinations,' I believe was the line?
I think you're confusing hiding among civilian populations and setting bombs in heavy-traffic public areas designed to go off at the busiest time of day with the acts of general war.
Terrorism is bad. War is bad. Civilians die during war, it's called collateral damage. Civilians die under terrorism, it's called a victory. War is bad. Terrorism is worse.
Terrorism doesn't necessarily have the intention of killing civilians or anybody for that matter.ygetoff said:War does not have the intent to kill civilians. Terrorism does.