Defining natural

[The Infamous Scamola]

I created this thred to vent my frustration towards all of the people who condemn homosexuality by saying "It's not natural".

How do we define naturality anyway?
Doesn't mankind continously go against nature in everything it does?
Is driving a car natural? Is playing a videogame natural? Is getting married natural?
If we were to define natural as something that happens in nature then no, none of these actions are natural.

Surely human beings discarded naturality when they started inventing, creating and pretty much abbandoning the whole "survival of the fittest" way of life.

If we were to define natural as something that is possible to do then yes, all of these actions and consequentially even homosexuality is natural.

What I'm getting at is I don't get the whole "Homosexuality is unnatural" way of though, maybe one of you could explain this to me.

 

[AceDefective]

well (i am not Homophobic) what there trying to say is that the ultimate goal of sex is to have a kid gays can't do that so hence forth "not natural"

 

[AceDefective]

I created this thred to vent my frustration towards all of the people who condemn homosexuality by saying "It's not natural".

How do we define naturality anyway?
I don't know but see above post for answer to queston also it makes condoms unnatrual

 

[godevit]

Everything is natural......

 

[Gruthar]

Homosexuality manifests itself outside of humans, too, so that would suggest there is a natural component. Besides which, not everyone person born is explicitly male or female. There are babies born with extra chromosomes, and babies who are sexually ambiguous and are 'assigned' a gender, sometimes surgically. What is natural for them?

And yes, humanity discarded nature with the agricultural revolution thousands of years ago.

 

[Noamuth]

People say homosexuality isn't natural because female + male = babies. So therefore, apparently, because homosexuality doesn't help us breed, it isn't natural and thus is bad.

.. *sigh*

EDIT: Yes, I'm pointing out the obvious.. I don't know why. Oh well. Dead brain work good.

 

[Tich]

We very w

well (i am not Homophobic) what there trying to say is that the ultimate goal of sex is to have a kid gays can't do that so hence forth "not natural"

That's a flawed argument. Women aren't supposed to wear perfume to cover up their natural scent. We aren't supposed to use soap or tooth paste, we shouldn't have any form of makeup. It's all unnatural.

You should realize that our whole world revolves around things unnatural. And claiming that Homosexuality is unnatural should mean you all should go back to living in caves, no fire thogh, because fire is unnatural.

(PS, not focused on the person I quoted. rather focused towards the people who would use this argument)

 

[Inverse Skies]

Monkeys can show homosexual tendencies, so if you consider it in that light then it is wrong for someone to brand it as unnatural or foreign, its merely a different manifestation of the sexuality we all feel, which makes it perfectly normal as really its just a different form of expressiveness.

 

[Worr Monger]

The simple fact of being "natural" in terms of heterosexuality and homosexuality is that.... being homosexual does not progress the species.

Being heterosexual is "natural" because it allows life to continue, and to better itself... superior genes mix... create better species.. etc... Darwin... etc....

Homosexuality essentially ignores this as it is not beneficial to a species' advancement... and it is therefore not considered to be "natural". Not telling you to like it, believe it, or not... that's just how it works.

 

[AceDefective]

We very w

well (i am not Homophobic) what there trying to say is that the ultimate goal of sex is to have a kid gays can't do that so hence forth "not natural"

That's a flawed argument. Women aren't supposed to wear perfume to cover up their natural scent. We aren't supposed to use soap or tooth paste, we shouldn't have any form of makeup. It's all unnatural.

You should realize that our whole world revolves around things unnatural. And claiming that Homosexuality is unnatural should mean you all should go back to living in caves, no fire thogh, because fire is unnatural.

(PS, not focused on the person I quoted. rather focused towards the people who would use this argument)

Not actualy trying to prove a point anyway but that is all i can think of off the top of my head i mean he wanted answers so thats what i gave him

 

[AceDefective]

AH i i am watching history chanel right now and wow let me just say homosexuals have it alot better now
*barfs in corner*
they still should be alowed to marry whoever they want

 

[AceDefective]

There is no good argument against homosexuality, because there is no good argument for sticking your nose into adult people's private matters.
Still I think that the sight of two men kissig is fucking disgusting and you won't convince me otherwise.

The Two men are actualy very convicing crossdressers and you think it is two girls kissing
did i win
Yes or
No

 

[Worr Monger]

There is no good argument against homosexuality, because there is no good argument for sticking your nose into adult people's private matters.
Still I think that the sight of two men kissig is fucking disgusting and you won't convince me otherwise.

Agreed.....I believe no straight man (and most likely woman) can deny how disgusting it is... whether you believe it's natural or not.

 

[sirdanrhodes]

There is no good argument against homosexuality, because there is no good argument for sticking your nose into adult people's private matters.
Still I think that the sight of two men kissig is fucking disgusting and you won't convince me otherwise.

While I think it is disgusting, I have no problem with them doing it.

Now, you'd change your tune if it was gay females, ammiright?

 

[AceDefective]

There is no good argument against homosexuality, because there is no good argument for sticking your nose into adult people's private matters.
Still I think that the sight of two men kissig is fucking disgusting and you won't convince me otherwise.

The Two men are actualy very convicing crossdressers and you think it is two girls kissing
did i win
Yes or
No

No. If it looks like two girls kissing, it's a sight of two girls kissing (even if they are in fact men).

ah good one you have won this one

 

[AceDefective]

There is no good argument against homosexuality, because there is no good argument for sticking your nose into adult people's private matters.
Still I think that the sight of two men kissig is fucking disgusting and you won't convince me otherwise.

While I think it is disgusting, I have no problem with them doing it.

Now, you'd change your tune if it was gay females, ammiright?

yes you know why we are sexualy attracted to femails so seeing them kissing is attrative
but we are not to men so we dont like it

We=straight men

 

[Labyrinth]

Agreed.....I believe no straight man (and most likely woman) can deny how disgusting it is... whether you believe it's natural or not.

Actually, I know straight female friends who watch a lot of gay porn. Think of it like this. Men like watching lesbians, yes? Swap the sexes around.

And until someone sleeps naked under a tree, eats what they kill or harvest themselves and has no technology outside of their own creations, I won't give a damn about their definition of natural. Although depending on your interpretation, as we are but products of nature, anything we do...

 

[Worr Monger]

There is no good argument against homosexuality, because there is no good argument for sticking your nose into adult people's private matters.
Still I think that the sight of two men kissig is fucking disgusting and you won't convince me otherwise.

While I think it is disgusting, I have no problem with them doing it.

Now, you'd change your tune if it was gay females, ammiright?

Yup. I know it's not rational, it's just how I feel.

That's not a good comparison anyway.... it's just an incredibly different scenario.

Agreed.....I believe no straight man (and most likely woman) can deny how disgusting it is... whether you believe it's natural or not.

Actually, I know straight female friends who watch a lot of gay porn. Think of it like this. Men like watching lesbians, yes? Swap the sexes around.

And until someone sleeps naked under a tree, eats what they kill or harvest themselves and has no technology outside of their own creations, I won't give a damn about their definition of natural. Although depending on your interpretation, as we are but products of nature, anything we do...

Women don't really do that.... you must be joking... I've never met a woman who thought two gay men having sex was interesting...and this is coming from a guy living 45 minutes from San Francisco.

 

[fletch_talon]

When they say unnatural what they mean is abnormal. Or in more intelligent individuals (not that I could consider a homophobe as anything higher than a moron on the intellectual scale*) they mean its not beneficial.

In regards to abnormal you need only look at the world we live in, its ok to be abnormal, if it doesn't harm anyone then it doesn't concern anyone but the parties involved.

In regards to it not being beneficial, well it seems ignorant people have this habit of viewing the world as black and white, or in this case beneficial and detrimental when the truth is it doesn't have to be either.

*If this offends you I'm glad, when someone comes up with a logical reason why homosexuality is 'wrong' then I might bump you up on the list but until then you can keep thinking that homosexuals will turn straight if you wish hard enough and I'll keep knowing you're an idiot.

 

[The Infamous Scamola]

yes you know why we are sexualy attracted to femails so seeing them kissing is attrative
but we are not to men so we dont like it

We=straight men

You seem to be stressing that point quite a lot.