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Well, I realize that girls are a minority in the gaming world. I am not so stupid as to expect game developers to drop everything and try to create a game that girls are going to like. They are out to make money, and selling games to guys is one of the best ways to do that. They are the majority of gamers, and, not to be rude, but guys are remarkably easy to sell to. Most guys I know like FPS's, but if they don't there's always RTS or RPG, or even JRPG. But most guys can walk into a game store and find a game that appeals to them quite easily. Girls, however, are an entire different matter. I have absolutely no problem walking into a game store, picking up a game that is marketed mostly towards guys, and buying it. In fact, I bought Hitman just on Friday, just before I went to Cyberdelic and played Bioshock. What I want in a game is pretty much what any guy wants, just minus the cleavage. I like to blow things up, and shoot things. I like when I can see bits of peoples heads fly into the air. I'm actually a bit worried about the attachment i am developing for the Hydra in RE5. I think the thing most people are forgetting is that a video game is designed to be fun. This is the key ingredient to making any game successful. I don't buy a game specifically because it has a hot guy on the cover or because it is marketed towards girls. I buy a game because it is fun, even if that means I have to run around as a heavily muscled American man. IT DOESN'T MATTER. I don't understand why girls are so upset aboout game developers not making games specifically for them. Nintendo does, but quite frankly, those things are an insult to everyone in general and to girls specifically, and in my opinion anybody who actually likes them is brain damaged. If a girl can't have fun playing as a man in an FPS where you won't ever see your character, then they are taking things too seriously and need to calm down a bit.
Unfortunately, I don't think there is one key trait that all girls share, other than breasts and ovaries. This makes it quite difficult for developers to market towards us. Luckily, I don't care if the game I play is marketed towards guys originally. This makes it quite easy to buy a game, and it also helps to let guys see that not all girls are frilly, pathetic creatures that couldn't play a shooter if their life depended on it. Honestly, I've had people say that they didn't think I was the type of girl to play violent video games, just because I wear makeup, don't dress sloppily, and try to make my hair behave(which is hard, as it's curly).
Unfortunately, I don't think there is one key trait that all girls share, other than breasts and ovaries. This makes it quite difficult for developers to market towards us. Luckily, I don't care if the game I play is marketed towards guys originally. This makes it quite easy to buy a game, and it also helps to let guys see that not all girls are frilly, pathetic creatures that couldn't play a shooter if their life depended on it. Honestly, I've had people say that they didn't think I was the type of girl to play violent video games, just because I wear makeup, don't dress sloppily, and try to make my hair behave(which is hard, as it's curly).
I can't speak for all girls, or any really, but my wife LOVES Team Fortress 2. Sounds to me like the issue itself is sexist and not the developers. Maybe Girls want good games too.
You really ought to ask Mel Gibson, as the movies have proven he has the power to read women's minds.
Ummm... I think women want games that work, like most men do. Not every man persues to satisfy his libido like a rabid dog, (but most idiots that claim they are "gamerz" clearly do, and thats what sells these days...).
Despite what advertisiers say, not every woman is a blond airhead that likes Gucchi and Pink Fluffy things either.
And not every girl aspires to be like them.
Despite what advertisiers say, not every woman is a blond airhead that likes Gucchi and Pink Fluffy things either.
And not every girl aspires to be like them.
Something fun. It's really that simple...not that "fun" is an easy thing to define, of course. It can mean a complex, multipath storyline, it can mean addictive puzzle solving, it can mean fast-paced deathmatches, it can mean pretty pink ponies.
As a man, I really hope that, when it comes to gaming, women just want the same as what we men get.
With the majority of games these days being targeted at men (apparently, we buy things more impulsively), I'm betting women just want a game that doesn't target anyone. It doesn't have to be gender specific, just enjoyable by all.
With the majority of games these days being targeted at men (apparently, we buy things more impulsively), I'm betting women just want a game that doesn't target anyone. It doesn't have to be gender specific, just enjoyable by all.
Well as a guy, I can't answer this BUT I have noticed a few things. One of my exs loved WoW, Spyro, and GH. My mom loved to watch people play Medal of Honor but played the casual ones. So I guesss what I'm getting at is that 'what they want' depends on the individual.
Here, here, sister. Overcommercialized clones affect men as much as women. There's a ton of people who would sell their soul to work in the game industry, but precious few who seem to have any idea what making a game is really about.girl_in_background said:
Well, we don't have to worry about girls that already play games, because they recognize quality when they see it. All they need to do is make games that are good, and both sexes will buy it. However, if we want to sell games to girls that typically don't play games, then we're going to have to look deeper here.
I, like most male gamers, have tried to get girlfriends/female relatives to play games with me, and I have noticed a few things about them. First of all, they really spend a lot of time picking their character. I'm not positive that's a male thing, but I know all of my male friends just typically pick a generic brown haired guy because it'll take the least amount of time until they get to play the game. my sister, however, spent about thirty minutes customizing every little detail on her character in Rock Band before we started playing. So, this brings me to my first idea, allow more character customization. I don't just mean how they look, I mean their attitude, how they like to dress, what kind of cereals they like, every little detail is important.
My second idea I kind of stole from a game that's already doing well with girls, farmville. If you go on facebook you already know what that is, but if you don't (and god do i envy you if you don't) it's a little game you access on facebook where you level up by getting items and sharing things with your friends. Girls really like spending time with and talking to their friends. So, that brings me to my second idea, improve online networking. It has to be on the same level as skype in terms of friendliness.
I, like most male gamers, have tried to get girlfriends/female relatives to play games with me, and I have noticed a few things about them. First of all, they really spend a lot of time picking their character. I'm not positive that's a male thing, but I know all of my male friends just typically pick a generic brown haired guy because it'll take the least amount of time until they get to play the game. my sister, however, spent about thirty minutes customizing every little detail on her character in Rock Band before we started playing. So, this brings me to my first idea, allow more character customization. I don't just mean how they look, I mean their attitude, how they like to dress, what kind of cereals they like, every little detail is important.
My second idea I kind of stole from a game that's already doing well with girls, farmville. If you go on facebook you already know what that is, but if you don't (and god do i envy you if you don't) it's a little game you access on facebook where you level up by getting items and sharing things with your friends. Girls really like spending time with and talking to their friends. So, that brings me to my second idea, improve online networking. It has to be on the same level as skype in terms of friendliness.
If we're talking consoles, I'd like there to be an option to play a female character that is equivalent to some of the male characters that populate the industry.
You know, kind of a Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark) to James Bond (Goldeneye), and yes, I'm dating myself. Resident Evil's Jill Valentine is another decent example. Basically, I want action heroines, not fsking Princess Peach.
Considering the fact that games are stored on CDs/DVDs now, there's no real reason why certain games couldn't have character options--there's plenty of storage space available for 2+ story lines.
I'm not saying that EVERY GAME should have such an option--Mario games are called "Mario games" for a reason, but there are other series out there that could offer a few more options.
When it comes to MMOs, we have a much wider selection of options-since we can create our own characters to varying degrees, but console games need to offer a bit more of that variety if they want to attract more female gamers.
*Caveat: not all girl gamers care, for the most part I DON'T since I'll play any game that's interesting, all I'm suggesting is that developers need to offer more than a stereotype when it comes to female characters. I know that not all men are burly, wild heroes with guns in the real world, but neither are all women frail, cooking professionals with spectacular hair.
You know, kind of a Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark) to James Bond (Goldeneye), and yes, I'm dating myself. Resident Evil's Jill Valentine is another decent example. Basically, I want action heroines, not fsking Princess Peach.
Considering the fact that games are stored on CDs/DVDs now, there's no real reason why certain games couldn't have character options--there's plenty of storage space available for 2+ story lines.
I'm not saying that EVERY GAME should have such an option--Mario games are called "Mario games" for a reason, but there are other series out there that could offer a few more options.
When it comes to MMOs, we have a much wider selection of options-since we can create our own characters to varying degrees, but console games need to offer a bit more of that variety if they want to attract more female gamers.
*Caveat: not all girl gamers care, for the most part I DON'T since I'll play any game that's interesting, all I'm suggesting is that developers need to offer more than a stereotype when it comes to female characters. I know that not all men are burly, wild heroes with guns in the real world, but neither are all women frail, cooking professionals with spectacular hair.
Why, of course it has to feature a character editor with eight gazillion dresses, the rest can be anything, since girls won't touch that anyways. Just as a game for guys only needs breasts, preferably with a boobies-controller. Ah girls... if you just had breasts on your eyes, we would be able to look at your faces... 
Primitive fuckmonkeys as we are.
Okay, in all seriousness now: I think the issue is less about the gameplay but more about story, art design and characters. Even though it seems to me that most gamer girls I know personally prefer RPGs over FPSs (i.e. games that don't demand reflexes as much as brains), but that could be a coincidence.
PS: But seriously now, every game should feature a character editor. I'm a sucker for that - I even managed to spend half an hour with the crappy xbox-avatar thingie, and don't ask me about GTA: San Andreas or Rock Band. I love that sort of shit.
Primitive fuckmonkeys as we are.Okay, in all seriousness now: I think the issue is less about the gameplay but more about story, art design and characters. Even though it seems to me that most gamer girls I know personally prefer RPGs over FPSs (i.e. games that don't demand reflexes as much as brains), but that could be a coincidence.
PS: But seriously now, every game should feature a character editor. I'm a sucker for that - I even managed to spend half an hour with the crappy xbox-avatar thingie, and don't ask me about GTA: San Andreas or Rock Band. I love that sort of shit.
Not to beat a dead horse but yeah, we pretty much like everything the guys like. I just get tired of all the cleavage and booty sometimes so I'll play a more hardcore game like Bioshock or Left 4 Dead (I or II).
What I've noticed with me and other girl-gamers is character variation? I personally love creating a character, yes yes I know that's a girl stereotype but I like character creation. I just hate how when I create a female character they're always wearing an impractical amount of clothing but hey, I'm not the main market and I can understand that.
Just make a good game and we'll all play it either way. Games are games.
What I've noticed with me and other girl-gamers is character variation? I personally love creating a character, yes yes I know that's a girl stereotype but I like character creation. I just hate how when I create a female character they're always wearing an impractical amount of clothing but hey, I'm not the main market and I can understand that.
Just make a good game and we'll all play it either way. Games are games.
Well, most girls are not really into shooting things, killing people, and blowing stuff up. Women are, as i see it, much more friendly and social than competitionist men - they want to create, not destroy. And they prefer to work on a smaller scale, where they can personally watch over every little detail to ensure it all goes how it should. That's why The Sims is more popular among women than SimCity. Beside social simulators, there is another genre they like - good old adventure games. But unfortunately, point-and-click adventures are a niche genre now.
I actually see a potential for genre experiments and exploration - nonviolent RPGs, for the most basic example.
I actually see a potential for genre experiments and exploration - nonviolent RPGs, for the most basic example.
Gender is always equated with sex. Bah.
Simply being biologically female does not mean that one must wear skirts, be a social butterfly, play with Barbies, etc. Everyone is different, whatever the gender. Some female gamers want The Sims, some want CoD, others want WoW, and so on.
I think that the issue of what "girl gamers" want isn't a valid issue; I think developers and consumers alike should be more concerned with what fans of RTS want, or what fans of RPGs want.
Simply being biologically female does not mean that one must wear skirts, be a social butterfly, play with Barbies, etc. Everyone is different, whatever the gender. Some female gamers want The Sims, some want CoD, others want WoW, and so on.
I think that the issue of what "girl gamers" want isn't a valid issue; I think developers and consumers alike should be more concerned with what fans of RTS want, or what fans of RPGs want.
Decent plot, good gameplay, creative ideas, Various weaponry and/or powers... I don't see why it would have to be targeted at a specific gender, but, meh.
Especially if the pretty pink ponies had rainbow shooting death rays of doom strapped to them.Susan Arendt said:
Do you have any idea how generalising that is? It's the exact same thing as asking "What do men want in games?" It depends entirely on the indiviudal. It's not like men and women are both hive minds that all think exactly alike and all like the same things.