DESHI BASARA (Dark Knight Rises "chant",clarification, and discussion) *SPOILERS*

[Jaeke]

*AGAIN SPOILER HEAVY THREAD*
If you're wondering why I made this thread it's to clear the confusion, as some people just hear it wierdly, in fact when I saw the movie yesterday some other audience member ran out of the movie when it was over, yelling "THIS IS AWSOME, AWSOME." over and over and all I could do is just /facepalm.

So around the time that the first trailer for DKR came out I wondered what the chant was and looked it up. It basicly translates from Moroccan Arabic as "rise", "he rises", but the context meant for the movie is "the fire rises". It is used in the comics as a chant when the Lazarus Pit process happens. In the movie

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the Lazarus Pit from the comics, is translated into that "prison pit" that Bruce Wayne finds himself in

. This is relevant because the Lazarus Pit is basicly Ra'as Al Ghul's (Liam Neeson's character) instrument to immortality,

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ergo the hallucination that Wayne has with Ra'as Al Ghul.

I understand that many of you fans already understand this but I simply wanted to clear the air of any false interpretations for people only experienced in the movie adaptations.

Anyway, DKR is a fantastic movie, I totally recommend it. Now I'm up for any correction for mistakes I might have made and as a discussion, what were your favorite callbacks to the comics? What did you like/dislike the most about the movie? What were your favorite scenes?

EDIT: TL;DR

youtube video for clarification of chant:

 

[Kolby Jack]

First:

Spoiler: LIAM BEESON

Return my honey to me, or I will find you... and I will sting you.

Moving on...

I actually didn't know that about the chant. I thought it was just something they came up with for the movie. Pretty cool. I liked it anyway, but this makes it better.

EDIT: Oh, got another one! He's also the leader of... the B-team! *Ba-dum tish!* XD

 

[soren7550]

That's good to know.

And now, my rebuttal:

 

[Jaeke]

First:

Spoiler: LIAM BEESON

Return my honey to me, or I will find you... and I will sting you.

Moving on...

I actually didn't know that about the chant. I thought it was just something they came up with for the movie. Pretty cool. I liked it anyway, but this makes it better.

EDIT: Oh, got another one! He's also the leader of... the B-team! *Ba-dum tish!* XD

Hahahahaha! I had to laugh at myself for a few minutes for that one.
It's fixed

 

[Extra-Ordinary]

That's good to know.

And now, my rebuttal:

That lobster sauce thing killed me.
Anyway.
That's a pretty neat tip, I'll have to tell that one to my friends.

 

[FalloutJack]

If that was a Lazarus Pit and we were actually seeing Al Ghul, why was Bruce's revelation WRONG?

 

[Nouw]

Personally I love the chant because it gets the blood-pumping and makes anything seem epic. I really hope it catches on as a meme in the style of 'Guile's Theme.'

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

If that was a Lazarus Pit and we were actually seeing Al Ghul, why was Bruce's revelation WRONG?

Because it's not literally Raz Al Ghul's GHOST, because these movies don't have FUCKING GHOSTS. It's a hallucination that only knows what Bruce knows. It's a metaphorical Lazarus Pit. And the revelation that matters isn't about Bane, it's that he needs to get over his parent's death. His dad carrying him out of the well when he was a kid is like the rope carrying him out of the pit now. If he can do it without his metaphorical rope-father's help, then he can metaphorically get over their deaths and stop being Batman. That's what the title is REALLY referring to.

That's what I got out of it, anyway.

 

[Jaeke]

Personally I love the chant because it gets the blood-pumping and makes anything seem epic. I really hope it catches on as a meme in the style of 'Guile's Theme.'

Yeah, not like this meme

Too bad it didn't grow, the Skyrim meme drowned it before it could break out.

 

[StBishop]

Am I the only one who assumed that the rope was a metaphorical limitation but also a literal, physical limitation?

I figured the rope was actually physically too short for someone to make the jump.

 

[Sean Hollyman]

I liked how we all thought it was Bane's chant, but really, THEY WERE CHANTING FOR BRUCE >

I think it fit in nicely in Begins.

In Begins, he falls down the well, and his father rescues him.
In Rises, he has to do it alone. He has to rise.


That's what I think anyway.

 

[Swny Nerdgasm]

As good as the movie was, is it too much for me to ask that a Batman movie has Batman as the main character?

 

[JoesshittyOs]

I liked how we all thought it was Bane's chant, but really, THEY WERE CHANTING FOR BRUCE >

I think it fit in nicely in Begins.

In Begins, he falls down the well, and his father rescues him.
In Rises, he has to do it alone. He has to rise.


That's what I think anyway.

Ahh, good catch. Much smarter move now.

 

[Sean Hollyman]

I liked how we all thought it was Bane's chant, but really, THEY WERE CHANTING FOR BRUCE >

I think it fit in nicely in Begins.

In Begins, he falls down the well, and his father rescues him.
In Rises, he has to do it alone. He has to rise.


That's what I think anyway.

Ahh, good catch. Much smarter move now.

Really I thought most people would have picked up on that by now..

 

[Kordie]

Am I the only one who assumed that the rope was a metaphorical limitation but also a literal, physical limitation?

I figured the rope was actually physically too short for someone to make the jump.

Given how far down the rope lets them fall, I wouldn't see it as a physical hinderence. Possibly it could help weight the person down as it is rather thick, or depending on how it is attached it could hinder their movement a bit. Granted I don't have a lot of experience climbing out of pits, but I was expecting someone to use the rope as a tool for getting out. After all, the rope apears to be anchored higher up, why cant someone climb the rope out? or use it to swing to the other side?

As an aside, I liked how Bane created his own "pit" in Gotham through the ice crossing. Potentially there is a way out, but good luck doing it.

 

[Wayneguard]

I thought the movie was great... until it turned into a "wheresthebomb gottafindthebomb" movie. It really should have dropped that whole nuclear reactor/bomb thing and focused more on Bane's populist revolution and its after effects imo. I mean, thematically, how does the destruction of Gotham (post-revolution) even fit in? I thought the explosive concrete, on which the entire foundation of our society was built upon, was a brilliant metaphor for Bane's worker uprising. After the scene where Bane catalyzes the destruction of the bedrock of Gotham society, both literally and metaphorically, I was so excited to see where the movie was going to go and then it abruptly took a U-tun and went in the "gotta stop the terrorist before he blows the bomb" 24 plot. Did someone get anything different out of that? I wanna know what others thought of the bomb plot. Does it even fit?

Captcha: good for nothing

damn right... that bomb was good for nothing.

 

[Toasty Virus]

I would have liked it better if Blakes name had been revealed to be Dick Grayson instead of 'Robin'. But I guess that refrence might have went over the heads of anyone who hasn't read the comics.

Good film though, pat my shants at the Talia reveal

 

[soren7550]

Personally I love the chant because it gets the blood-pumping and makes anything seem epic. I really hope it catches on as a meme in the style of 'Guile's Theme.'

Well, at least one person is trying:

 

[Hawkolf]

I would have liked it better if Blakes name had been revealed to be Dick Grayson instead of 'Robin'. But I guess that refrence might have went over the heads of anyone who hasn't read the comics.

This was probably the thing that annoyed me the most in the movie. If his name would've been Dick Grayson it would've been perfect. Calling him Robin just felt so cheap when movie had references to Killer Croc etc.

 

[Salad Is Murder]

I thought they named him Robin because he shared traits with the three Robins (Dick, Jason, Tim) rather than being a specific one.

Also, without the bomb there is no threat to keep everyone in/out of Gotham. It wasn't about Bane's 'revolution', there wasn't one. It was all a farce to punish Bruce and destroy Gotham. Remember, the bomb was going to explode anyways.