Deus Ex: HR... boss battles... why all the hate?

[Denamic]

Personally, I didn't mind them, they reminded me a lot of Metal Gear Solid.

Oh yeah, that brings up another topic similar to this one. What is up with "the End?" I never got a chance to play MGS3 but I've hard either a lot of positive or negative feedback about it.

it's both a really awesome boss fight and a real pain in the ass.

it's exactly as I describe. two guys in a big jungle map that are experts at hiding taking sniper shots at each other.

the unique thing about it is that you can skip the fight with END a bunch of ways... you can snipe him near the start of the game, or you can set your PS2 clock forward a week during the battle and he'll die of old age.

I only did it the right way once. It's not impossible but it is kind of a pain.

You can also eat his parrot.
He uses it as a spotter, so he'll have a harder time spotting you without it.

 

[IronMit]

Like many people here I really like deus ex:HR.

But the boss battles were out of place.
Like Yahtzee said, a boss battle is supposed to be a final exam- a cumulation of everything you have learnt up to that point.

I focused on stealth...when it came to the MANDATORY ACTION boss fight I had not once run and gunned, the controls felt alien to me.
After all that stealth my character walks into the middle of the room like an idiot.
I don;t mind having a handicap but this was ridiculous.
Could I not go in through a vent and catch him my surprise? or maybe invent a plot device like he has some sort of keycard. or defeating him gives me some super unique gun- i don't mind being penalised for not fighting him. maybe if I don't fight him there and then he may turn up again later in the game.

For a game based on choice ad consequence(or the illusion of) the boss battle failed on every single front.

It wasn't completely awful though- i see what they were trying to do....variety of upgrades can work and you can make it fun;

Boss 1.turn invisible and run for cover - probably why this boss battle is most hated. such lack of flexibility. throwing vending machines would of been useful if there were any. or hacking stuff.

Boss 2. emp shielding helps with a certain approach. fast sprinting helps, longer sprinting helps, high jump can be used to your your advantage. going invisible can be used, smart vision really helps as she goes invisible. shotgun stuns here, stun gun stuns her

Boss 3. Choice of that storyline upgrade is cool. smart vision + laser rifle is a really fun tactic. invisibility may also help


With boss 2 you can match the boss battle to your augs and adapt your approach. The other 2 bosses are lame

 

[Not Matt]

here's what happend.

1. Adam enter room.
2. Adam see boss thing that he's supposed to kill. Adam kill him/her/it by doing the same thing fore of five times. BORING!!!

they should have done it like the Mr freeze battle in batman arkham city where you can only use one trick once. that was fun. human revolution is still fun when it comes to stealth though

 

[nexus]

The "Forced Bosses" was a conspiracy in itself.

First of all, you don't even know who these people really are. It's like they developed a wonderful story, with many key villains and plenty of cutscenes to go with them, then just said.. "Nope, cut them out and make it stupid."

I remember in the trailers leading up to the release, there were plenty of scenes that just inexplicably disappeared from the game. Like that scene with Barrett, "You'll never find him!" etc. Which seemed to suggest a plotline that was completely ripped out of the final game. I read the book prior to release, and suffice to say.. the "bosses" were fully characterized and way more interesting. The illuminati sub-plot was more pronounced, and it turns out these guys were part of something called "The Killing Floor", which is basically a market for contract-killings of the highest order. It was way, way more interesting.

Basically, there were two plots running parallel to each other. One was fleshed out, interesting and kept you moving. The other was the "bosses", and they couldn't have felt any more out of place.

When I got through the game, I couldn't help but feel a lot of story content was cut, for whatever reason. When I found out the 'boss fight' development was "outsourced" to another company... well, it kind of adds to that theory.

The rest of the game was incredible, though.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

What's with all of these threads asking for people's opinions on already decided manners lately? Really this question could have been answered by looking at reviews of the game or simply remembering the amount of news articles on this site about the issue.

 

[nexus]

What's with all of these threads asking for people's opinions on already decided manners lately? Really this question could have been answered by looking at reviews of the game or simply remembering the amount of news articles on this site about the issue.

Not everyone played the game at the same time.

This isn't a site for "historical records", it's a social discussion forum and you can talk about whatever you want within the code of conduct.

What makes you so huffy over this thread, really? That is the bigger question.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

What's with all of these threads asking for people's opinions on already decided manners lately? Really this question could have been answered by looking at reviews of the game or simply remembering the amount of news articles on this site about the issue.

Not everyone played the game at the same time.

This isn't a site for "historical records", it's a social discussion forum and you can talk about whatever you want within the code of conduct.

What makes you so huffy over this thread, really? That is the bigger question.

Whoa easy there bud. Not being huffy I'm just stating that this talk of the Deus Ex boss fights is old news. And thanks for pointing out that this is a social discussion, you are aware that means I'm allowed to comment on it how I feel right?

I'm aware that not everyone plays games at the same time but simply frequenting the site around the release of the game told everyone that the boss fights sucked. Yahtzee said it, the review said it, hell the developers were interviewed on the subject multiple times. For weeks after the game came out.

Sounds to me that you're the "huffy" person on this thread. Relax a bit.

 

[nexus]

Whoa easy there bud. Not being huffy I'm just stating that this talk of the Deus Ex boss fights is old news. And thanks for pointing out that this is a social discussion, you are aware that means I'm allowed to comment on it how I feel right?

I'm aware that not everyone plays games at the same time but simply frequenting the site around the release of the game told everyone that the boss fights sucked. Yahtzee said it, the review said it, hell the developers were interviewed on the subject multiple times. For weeks after the game came out.

Sounds to me that you're the "huffy" person on this thread. Relax a bit.

What you said added nothing to the discussion. It was a glorified "Use the search bar" comment.

So you're aware that everyone doesn't play any given game at the same time. Are you also aware that not everyone "simply frequents the site" at the same times? Also, when you bring up new discussions, it tends to have the possibility of adding something new, ya know?

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Whoa easy there bud. Not being huffy I'm just stating that this talk of the Deus Ex boss fights is old news. And thanks for pointing out that this is a social discussion, you are aware that means I'm allowed to comment on it how I feel right?

I'm aware that not everyone plays games at the same time but simply frequenting the site around the release of the game told everyone that the boss fights sucked. Yahtzee said it, the review said it, hell the developers were interviewed on the subject multiple times. For weeks after the game came out.

Sounds to me that you're the "huffy" person on this thread. Relax a bit.

What you said added nothing to the discussion. It was a glorified "Use the search bar" comment.

So you're aware that everyone doesn't play any given game at the same time. Are you also aware that not everyone "simply frequents the site" at the same times? Also, when you bring up new discussions, it tends to have the possibility of adding something new, ya know?

Well judging by the OP's profile I'd say that they've been on this site long enough to have seen the general reaction of the boss fights of Deus Ex HR. It was kind of a big deal. It was a talking point for months. Many months before your profile started up for sure.

Look I don't mean to be rude but there is no need to be up my ass about saying that this is an old topic to discuss. In my opinion it is. And as we can see in this thread all we're seeing is people saying the same thing about the boss fights over and over with differing flavours. The bosses are dull. I don't think we need it stated again and again.

This isn't much of a discussion as it is a general agreement of why the boss fights sucked.

Please stop trying to tell me that I'm being a bad person for saying such, its my opinion. Its ironic that you feel that my opinion brought nothing to the discussion when the posters in the thread have effectively been doing just that but stating the same thing over and over.

 

[Yellowfish]

The Missing Link does a much, MUCH better job with the boss fight.

Wait, really? I was pretty disappointed by that bossfight. It was just another big room full of enemies, and the actual "boss" went down with a single boring button press. Maybe I did something wrong, I don't know.

 

[Nomanslander]

Well judging by the OP's profile I'd say that they've been on this site long enough to have seen the general reaction of the boss fights of Deus Ex HR.

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Please stop trying to tell me that I'm being a bad person for saying such, its my opinion. Its ironic that you feel that my opinion brought nothing to the discussion when the posters in the thread have effectively been doing just that but stating the same thing over and over.

Yeah, I have been on this site for some time, but that doesn't mean I've followed up on every discussion in games that's gone on in the last 3 years. As for this topic, after doing some googling, mostly what I found was people saying the fight "sucked" but never really going into details as for why. I did find some mention of what everyone has been saying here, but I felt like going directly to the people and asking them again. Sometimes if you give enough time an opinion can change when you reflect back on it. For instance I know a lot of people that hated Bioshock 2 during release because it was popular to bash on it at the time, but now I've heard a lot of people say they still liked the game (for what it was) when reflecting back on it.

Peoples opinions and view can change, or grow more acute, and that's why I decided to ask.

Plus, I don't know if you've noticed. But people on this site like to go over games that have even been out for some time. I've been seeing Fallout 3 and Half Life 2 threads for years now, a lot of times asking the same questions that was asked a month or two before. But still, this isn't like the gametrailers.com forums where people have the memory of a fruit fly, people here on the escapist like to talk about older games, especially if it's widely beloved. Although they might go overboard a bit too much, but, that's just the way it is here, take it as it is.

Deus Ex: HR is a year old now, but I guarantee you (based from my experience here) you'll continue to see threads being made about it for years more to come. So, get use to it.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Well judging by the OP's profile I'd say that they've been on this site long enough to have seen the general reaction of the boss fights of Deus Ex HR.

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Please stop trying to tell me that I'm being a bad person for saying such, its my opinion. Its ironic that you feel that my opinion brought nothing to the discussion when the posters in the thread have effectively been doing just that but stating the same thing over and over.

Yeah, I have been on this site for some time, but that doesn't mean I've followed up on every discussion in games that's gone on in the last 3 years. As for this topic, after doing some googling, mostly what I found was people saying the fight "sucked" but never really going into details as for why. I did find some mention of what everyone has been saying here, but I felt like going directly to the people and asking them again. Sometimes if you give enough time an opinion can change when you reflect back on it. For instance I know a lot of people that hated Bioshock 2 during release because it was popular to bash on it at the time, but now I've heard a lot of people say they still liked the game (for what it was) when reflecting back on it.

Peoples opinions and view can change, or grow more acute, and that's why I decided to ask.

Plus, I don't know if you've noticed. But people on this site like to go over games that have even been out for some time. I've been seeing Fallout 3 and Half Life 2 threads for years now, a lot of times asking the same questions that was asked a month or two before. This isn't like the gametrailers.com forums where people have the memory of a fruit fly, people here on the escapist like to talk about older games, especially if it's widely beloved by the people here.

Deus Ex: HR is a year old now, but I guarantee you (based from my experience here) you'll continue to see threads being made about it for years more to come. So, get use to it.

I respect the fact that you actually responded with more than just a snarky attitude. I understand why you asked about why the boss fights received a lot of hate, I just feel that there are a lot of threads popping up lately that have been asking things that, I personally thought, were dead and buried. Hell, there's a thread asking why people hate Nickelback up where that OP thinks that hating Nickelback is some new trend -_- And I know that there will be more Dues Ex threads for years to come. I just don't want them all to be about the boss fights you know? It's like a flash of seeing all of the Skyrim threads all over again, it annoys me slightly so I threw my opinion in.

I'll get used to there being threads on Dues Ex, but you'll have to be used to me calling the subjects dated if I think they are Its the way I've always been on this site. I don't subject to the nothing that some Escapists have of "most popular opinion is the one I wanna hear".

And my opinion on this topic is that its old and not much has changed about it. That's my opinion, respect mine and I'll respect yours. That's all I ask.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

The bosses were the same thing Tenchu annoyed me. You play the level all stealthy only for the game to break that and make you fight the bosses on the games terms. Instead i should be able to stealth kill the bosses if i can. Thats the issue people had, not that the bosses were bad, just that you were forced into a frontal confrontation with them, which depending on what you put your skills into - stealth stuff for instance, made the fights hard and stupid.

 

[Dogstile]

At least the third boss was freakin awesome. The first two were basically terrible all around, but the third guy I actually really liked. It had a cool gimmick, and actually involved stealth.

Stealth? I killed him in under 10 seconds. Proof it can be done

 

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

You can go the entire game without killing anyone- except the bosses. It's kind of odd how it plays out, honestly. Up until the first boss, I was playing a highly stealthy character, and it was working great, but when I got to that mother fucker, I just lost it.
Eventually I just kept stunning him until he was next to the convinently placed red explosive barrels and shot them.

It really takes the game from a pointless turn.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

Speaking as someone who finds Deus Ex HR to be his favourite game of all time...

I hated the bosses. As many others have said, they were poorly designed, and the only tactic was all out assault.

I mean...If there had been a few other solutions...

SUGGESTION MODE GO:
Like...You should have had a much more open environment to fight the first guy. And then you would have the opportunity to hide and run and keep him distracted while you hacked a series of PCs to make turrets come down and shoot the heck out of him or to flood the place with toxic gas or something.

The second one was a BIT better in the fact that if you had the see-through-walls upgrade you could see her when she was charging her typhoon. It would have been way more awesome if she had been more...I dunno...defenseless in that state. I snuck up on her a good 5 times, and each time I started shooting she pulled out the SMG and I had to run after a second or two. You should have gotten more free damage for being able to sneak up on her. Hell, the should have made that the whole mechanic. Look for water ripples to find her as she's sneaking, and then unload on her. And if you have the eye upgrade...much easier for you, then.

Third guy......I have no idea, actually. I found him really easy. I had the see-through-walls upgrade, and kept catching him with SMG and revolver shots whenever he was climbing. Not sure what I would replace...After all, you have to take into account the few numbskulls that got nailed by the trap that boss fight hits you with if you made a very stupid move earlier.

Last boss? I...Have no clue. I had no idea what I was doing the first time. I shot a bunch of stuff, hacked something and then proceeded to revolver the now vulnerable (for some reason) boss 4 times and BAM. Endgame. 0_o

Oh, and by the way, the biggest peeve of mine in ALL those fights was the fact that Melee was USELESS. Even if I stunned them. I got the chick in an EMP blast, and then I ran up to melee her, expecting to deal about 1/4 to 1/3 of her health in damage....and instead I got kicked in the face. ....flatwhat. I mean...if I EMP'd her...how the hell can she react?!

I hear that the DLC does boss fights a million times better. Sadly, too muhc has been on my place recently, and I haven't been able to finish it... Hell, I'll probably restart the DLC completely next time I have a chance to play.