Deus Ex makes me feel like a hypocrite

[Jandau]

One of the first few things I thought about while playing was how much of a hypocrite Jensen was, or maybe it was me. At the beginning of the game Jensen talks with his girlfriend (which took me awhile to figure out since he displays almost no affection towards her) about how he's against the company making military augments. There was even a demonstration of a weapon called 'Typhoon' which kills everyone around the user, Jensen seemed opposed to these inventions. Then, less than an hour into the game, Jensen himself becomes super augmented and even later uses the same exact Typhoon weapon he was against. He says every now and again about how he was forced to get the augments and he didn't have a choice, yet I was willingly getting new upgrades and prosthetics all the time.
EDIT: Ok so those upgrades are optional and aren't required in the main missions, so I guess that's on me.

Actually, even if you do buy those upgrades and are killing people left and right with your robot parts, it still makes sense. You mention that an hour after he talks against weapon augs, he's using augs to kill people. Well, that hour had a 6 month time skip and Jensen had to see the woman he loves taken away from him, his body crushed and then rebuilt in what looked like a terribly unpleasant series of surgeries.

It's not inconcievable that the whole experience left him less sensitive? That he's become more bitter and thoughtless when it comes to lives of others? So his old scrupules aren't as restrictive as they used to be? Also, that's your own choice to make. You can play Jensen without killing people, without using Typhoon. That's why it's calle a ROLE PLAYING GAME.

 

[ultrachicken]

I agree with pretty much everyone else, in that you were the one that chose to continue augmenting Jensen, and you could have decided to not augment him anymore by not spending Praxis Points.

Edit: what you do with Jensen is up to you.

Spoiler: hell, you could even get him to a safety dance.

I would kill for a mod that had the safety dance music play whenever you shifted around too much in cover.

OT: Have you considered the possibility that Jensen changes his opinions over time, or simply uses the typhoon grudgingly because he feels he has to in order to survive the crap that David sends him to do?

 

[LikeDustInTheWind]

The most fun I had was with the Icarus Landing system. I don't think I'll ever play a game where I don't have it.

Definitely my favorite augment upgrade. You look so badass descending from a five story building.

I honestly can not believe how much more fun I had after I bought this thing. And the stun landing thing has saved my ass more times than I can count.

Although the name bothers me, in the legend Icarus fell to his death. Doesn't exactly fit with what it does, does it?

 

[TsunamiWombat]

Are people who complain about load times playing on PCs or consoles? Because I've got a several year old PC (i5 750, 4GB RAM, standard 7200RPM HDD) and loading games is almost instant for me and level loads are faster than most games.

They recently (about a day or so after US release) issued a patch that cut loading times in half on some systems, so loading times have drastically reduced for everyone.

 

[Fioyl]

I think despite his viewpoints, from an in-character perspective, Adam probably realizes that he has to be pragmatic and use said augmentations.

Funny how in the other games, no one ever griped about augs. Hell, Gunther wanted even more!

 

[Exius Xavarus]

I woulda figured Jenson already had all the implants made, might as well activate them. Either way, they would have activated naturally anyway, Praxis software just speeds up the process. That's what the XP represents, is your augments being turned on naturally over time, though you get to choose which one to activate. Jensen isn't really that hypocritical, he was forced into augmentation whether he liked it or not in order for Sarif to save his life. As for the hacking bit, just make sure no one's around or their back is turned to you when you start hacking. Always worked for me.

 

[gery900]

He doesn't show much affection toward Megan Reed because she's his ex-girlfriend. Although they obviously still have some feelings for each other.

Like you said, he didn't get any say in the matter with the augmentations. In fact (minor spoiler incoming) if you dig around a bit you'll find out that the augmentation he received went significantly beyond what was neccesary to save his life. And if you don't want to upgrade then... just don't. I'm at least halfway through and I still haven't bought the Typhoon (it strikes me as being too overpowered and I like a challenge.)

I'm pretty sure there's a very specific reason why Adam doesn't need the NP injections, especially considering the nature of the research that Sariff was doing. I'm not 100% sure about that though.

As for the other parts, the main advantage of killing is that they can't be woken up again. If a guard finds an unconscious friend, he'll revive him and they'll both go into alert.

Yeah, I got caught hacking a few times as well. Scared the crap out of me. Especially the one time when I thought I'd cleared the area.

The typhoon is not that over-powered. It requires one whole energy cell and one thing of ammo. Then the radius is only a few feet out in all directions. I used it about five times because you soon realize that in a lot of situations you usually have run or walk into the midst of gun toting meanies. Still, the upgrade kiss robots so it's a handy thing for taking out robots without a lot of effort (say if you're sans one EMP device).

The most fun I had was with the Icarus Landing system. I don't think I'll ever play a game where I don't have it.

People talk about Thyphoon, well, I never used it, and it's not because of ammo, energy or custom playtrough.

I just find it, bad, I mean, the times when a non-boss enemy came that close to me knowing that i was there were minimum, and i wasn't THAT sneaky, I mean, you die very fast, it takes a freaking century to activate the Thypoon, if an enemy get's THAT close to you:

-It's a boss, so, Typhoon is kinda useless
-You are probably dead if they saw you
-You planned on running
-You planned on killing/stunning/sneaking by

So, yeah..

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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Erm...

He was augmented without his permission what do you expect him to do kill himself? His boss tells him that he will have all those augmentations active eventually as they are only restricted due to a hematoma. He has NO CHOICE. Do you even listen to the narrative? He can choose not use them...that's down to the player.

Therefore not a hypocrite just a victim of not having a 'don't augment me if a guy throws me through some glass' card

If you agreed with what Jensens said then used the Typhoon anyway then yes, I guess you are a hypocrite. The game hardly forces you to use it.

 

[Inkidu]

He doesn't show much affection toward Megan Reed because she's his ex-girlfriend. Although they obviously still have some feelings for each other.

Like you said, he didn't get any say in the matter with the augmentations. In fact (minor spoiler incoming) if you dig around a bit you'll find out that the augmentation he received went significantly beyond what was neccesary to save his life. And if you don't want to upgrade then... just don't. I'm at least halfway through and I still haven't bought the Typhoon (it strikes me as being too overpowered and I like a challenge.)

I'm pretty sure there's a very specific reason why Adam doesn't need the NP injections, especially considering the nature of the research that Sariff was doing. I'm not 100% sure about that though.

As for the other parts, the main advantage of killing is that they can't be woken up again. If a guard finds an unconscious friend, he'll revive him and they'll both go into alert.

Yeah, I got caught hacking a few times as well. Scared the crap out of me. Especially the one time when I thought I'd cleared the area.

The typhoon is not that over-powered. It requires one whole energy cell and one thing of ammo. Then the radius is only a few feet out in all directions. I used it about five times because you soon realize that in a lot of situations you usually have run or walk into the midst of gun toting meanies. Still, the upgrade kiss robots so it's a handy thing for taking out robots without a lot of effort (say if you're sans one EMP device).

The most fun I had was with the Icarus Landing system. I don't think I'll ever play a game where I don't have it.

People talk about Thyphoon, well, I never used it, and it's not because of ammo, energy or custom playtrough.

I just find it, bad, I mean, the times when a non-boss enemy came that close to me knowing that i was there were minimum, and i wasn't THAT sneaky, I mean, you die very fast, it takes a freaking century to activate the Thypoon, if an enemy get's THAT close to you:

-It's a boss, so, Typhoon is kinda useless
-You are probably dead if they saw you
-You planned on running
-You planned on killing/stunning/sneaking by

So, yeah..

Oh I've found it quite useful, just not over-powered. It's really a combat only thing though. If you're going up against heavies head-to-head it's perfect. A good combo is Icarus attack landing and then typhoon the people you knock down.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

the neuropozine could have been a good gameplay element....Do you buy that gun or some new augments....or do you buy that medicine?

 

[RobCoxxy]

"It's not the strongest who survive, it's those who are most adaptable to change"

Clearly Jensen is.

 

[Irriduccibilli]

The thing you mentioned with being spotted while hacking can be avoided pretty easily, just listen. Often you can hear someone tell you to spot your hack or he'll start shooting at you. Of course this is outside battle. And really, did you expect to be able to hack when in combat? You should try and use those automatic hacking devices. I have gotten out of trouble many times because I managed to hack a keypad with the automatic hacking thingy.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Jensen is meant to reflect the player - hearing both sides of the story and having to make his own mind up about how he feels.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

About getting caught while hacking. This is Deus Ex. Go nuts! Build a hidy hole of crates to hide behind when hacking! Or something.