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Terrible accents? Go buggar yourself.Zhukov said:
Cockney English, ex-confederate states of the US, South African and New Zealand all have worse accents then us.
That said I would love to see a DX game set here, as there are not very many titles set in Australia.
Read it and weep. If you even cared about DX:HR you would've noticed this at the E3 interviews.....Oh wait. No, You sir, are wrong.Zhukov said:
On the note of accents, there are plenty of Aussies who're willing to voice act, they tend to be in Australia, but you know, that's the problem with Aussies.
I seriously wanted to mute Dead Island, my brother was playing and only got as far as the bit right at the start where you get your first weapon (the oar/paddle) and it was bad.
We kept cringing and saying, "Crikey Moses!", "Stone the flamin' crows!", "Bluddy Hell!", "Geez, Leweeze!", "Sheeeeelah, bring us a beeeer!"
Also, she didn't really look much like an Aboriginal, more African. I found that frustrating, it would have been nice to have a decent Aboriginal character in a game.
Lastly, Polish Devs, in Australia we don't get pissy at people for being Aboriginal and successful. (At least no one I've ever met does). It makes no sense, unless the game is set in the past about 10 years or so.
I'm not going to pretend that there's no racism in Australia, we're not that cool, but it's not as bad as it was portrayed in that chick's origin story. I don't know of anyone who'd actively give someone a hard time for being Aboriginal, (or a female copper for that matter) you'd get sacked and verbally abused by your co-workers for being a douche.
At the moment, the racists are all attacking people who look middle eastern/Arabic.
I seriously wanted to mute Dead Island, my brother was playing and only got as far as the bit right at the start where you get your first weapon (the oar/paddle) and it was bad.
We kept cringing and saying, "Crikey Moses!", "Stone the flamin' crows!", "Bluddy Hell!", "Geez, Leweeze!", "Sheeeeelah, bring us a beeeer!"
Also, she didn't really look much like an Aboriginal, more African. I found that frustrating, it would have been nice to have a decent Aboriginal character in a game.
Lastly, Polish Devs, in Australia we don't get pissy at people for being Aboriginal and successful. (At least no one I've ever met does). It makes no sense, unless the game is set in the past about 10 years or so.
I'm not going to pretend that there's no racism in Australia, we're not that cool, but it's not as bad as it was portrayed in that chick's origin story. I don't know of anyone who'd actively give someone a hard time for being Aboriginal, (or a female copper for that matter) you'd get sacked and verbally abused by your co-workers for being a douche.
At the moment, the racists are all attacking people who look middle eastern/Arabic.
So "caring" means seeing every single interview? Huh. News to me.mad825 said:
And if it's a reboot, why does it fit into the story of the original? There's an absolute ton of continuity hooks, notably Joseph Manderley and Tracer Tong. If you even cared about DX:HR you would have noticed them while playing.
You have the wrong idea. I'm from Australia too. G'day cobber, howzit hangin, stone-the-crows etc etc.Lim3 said:
I hope they dial it up a bit for the next game.
One thing that irked me was that rather than picking a route and sticking to it, I ended up able to explore the whole map and hoover up every single bit of ammo etc. Make the skill branches mean something again. Heck, lets have that social aug LET us talk our way past the guard who wants to see our id, rather than just give us an extra sentence or two of dialogue.
Bring back weapon skills and melee weapons.
Lastly, strengthen up the plot. The plot wasn't BAD as such, but nowhere near as punchy as when you escape the prison and [REDACTED].
In terms of actual plot, all the ideas sound good. Redo DE1. Bridge the gap between DEHR and DE1. Definately erase DEIW from existance. Heck, do that even if you don't make a sequel.
One thing that irked me was that rather than picking a route and sticking to it, I ended up able to explore the whole map and hoover up every single bit of ammo etc. Make the skill branches mean something again. Heck, lets have that social aug LET us talk our way past the guard who wants to see our id, rather than just give us an extra sentence or two of dialogue.
Bring back weapon skills and melee weapons.
Lastly, strengthen up the plot. The plot wasn't BAD as such, but nowhere near as punchy as when you escape the prison and [REDACTED].
In terms of actual plot, all the ideas sound good. Redo DE1. Bridge the gap between DEHR and DE1. Definately erase DEIW from existance. Heck, do that even if you don't make a sequel.
I'd like to see a decent sequel to Deus Ex, that would be cool. Just pick one of the endings and make it canon. I nearly always pressed the reset button and burned it all down, but I don't mind playing a sequel where JC merges with Helios or joins the Illuminati, just pick one and stick to it, don't spread yourselves too thin. Just give us a decent story, in a clearly defined and detailed world, with boss fights that mean something and can be creatively overcome without resorting to direct confrontation, and no, I said NO FUCKING ALIENS!
Deus Ex shouldn't be remade and I think I and most other Deus Ex fans would be disappointed in any attempt that would end up neutering the experience of the original.
Deus Ex shouldn't be remade and I think I and most other Deus Ex fans would be disappointed in any attempt that would end up neutering the experience of the original.
I would go with another game starting just before the events of Deus Ex with Paul as the Protaganist. They could then incorporate several significant crossover events between Paul and JC but Paul definately has his own story and agenda which leaves plenty of room for fresh content.
It's way in the future and people now live on a huge space station hovering over the planet that's considered their worst enemy. Technology has taken a leap forward and the space station and the people in it are sustained by a sort of machine gods. These machine gods can defend themselves by augmenting people and giving them a mission.
One day, a machine god from the hostile planet is found on the station, and all the people that were living around it are rounded up and killed, because the government fears they may have been converted into servants of the enemy god. Our heroes get entangled in all this, each for their own reasons, and are seeking the evil machine god. They find it, but the machine god gives them augmentations and sends them on a vague mission. And since it was a god from the hostile planet, they are now considered enemies as well.
One of the station's machine gods has gone rogue, and wants to bring about the apocalypse using our augmented heroes. Hunted by the military and dealing with other problems of their own, the heroes must figure out what their mission is, and how to stop the apocalypse plans of the evil machine god(s).
One day, a machine god from the hostile planet is found on the station, and all the people that were living around it are rounded up and killed, because the government fears they may have been converted into servants of the enemy god. Our heroes get entangled in all this, each for their own reasons, and are seeking the evil machine god. They find it, but the machine god gives them augmentations and sends them on a vague mission. And since it was a god from the hostile planet, they are now considered enemies as well.
One of the station's machine gods has gone rogue, and wants to bring about the apocalypse using our augmented heroes. Hunted by the military and dealing with other problems of their own, the heroes must figure out what their mission is, and how to stop the apocalypse plans of the evil machine god(s).
It's Final Fantasy XIII. hahaha.
E3 was the main event and they released quite alot of information. They also repeated that information at Gamescon and Eurogamer Expo.Zhukov said:
Rationalisation is so funny.
Eidos didn't want to alienate the main fanbase which is explained in the DX:HR behind the scenes via bouns DVD. all nods and hints were so blatant it was like trying to spot a prostitute in Soho, "If you even cared about DX:HR you would have noticed them while playing."
And don't go there, Eidos and an original story? Yea, in my dreams. >.>
His idea of a reboot in the interview and your idea of a reboot are seemingly two different things. Its a 'direct' prequel, in that everything fits. The devs have already noted that if they were to continue, they'd be bound by certain events that have already been established to happen between HR and DX. They rebooted the franchise by kick-starting it up again.mad825 said:
If you're going to rehash continuity you don't write your plot to fit in directly with that of the original.
"If you even cared about DX:HR you would've noticed this at the E3 interviews."
And grow up.
Apart from the technology, social and economic status, Not event to mention the ending. In my original statement I said that DX would be reimagined.Woodsey said:
We are all allowed to act like children now and then. You in particular sometimes act like a child so don't say that to me.
Technology in the game is a minor retcon (arguably, the sleek-looking augs you can just put down to DX's graphics being shit), the social and economic status is a result of there not yet being the economic crash that happens between the two games.mad825 said:
What about the ending? You get choices that have predicted outcomes. So?
As someone cleverly pointed out:Woodsey said:
David = MJ12
Darrow = Tong
William = Illuminati
suicide = ???
Darrow = Tong
William = Illuminati
suicide = ???
The only logical choice would've been David's however this would've allowed wide and mainstream use of augmentations, which is clearly not the case in DX. And Versalife would thrive.
The ambiguous ending is neutral, no-one loses or wins and things would have been relativity the same. The purists would've been still around as some people were still against augments, little growth within bionic industry meaning that Versalife couldn't grow as big....The Illuminati, well, still around.
I say there's going to be a IW style game.
I definitely would like to see them make a sequel. Sure, we have plenty of those, but where DX:HR was such a refreshingly good game, I would like to see more of its type.
I think what may be a good idea, to avoid being compared against the original while still updating that bit of storyline would be to perhaps make a second storyline that takes place at the same time as DX1, with a different character etc.
And yeah, ditch IW, pick an ending from DX1 to be cannon, and proceed from there.
I think what may be a good idea, to avoid being compared against the original while still updating that bit of storyline would be to perhaps make a second storyline that takes place at the same time as DX1, with a different character etc.
And yeah, ditch IW, pick an ending from DX1 to be cannon, and proceed from there.
Predicted outcomes.mad825 said:
The reason you are told the pros and cons of the choices and not shown what actually happens is because we know what eventually happens. What matters is the choice you make, because that's what defines what you think of the entire debate you've spent 30 hours playing through.
What actually happens as a result of your choices is anyone's guess.
And considering potentially world-shaping events take place in the space of months in each DX game, I'm not entirely sure why its a struggle to see that the course of things may alter in the 25 years between HR and DX.
