That's exactly what the joke you're complaining about is doing. Yet for some reason you completely miss the humour and attack it as if it's serious when it's patently not. Why?UNHchabo said:Here's the difference: threatening harm, like on that National Lampoon magazine cover, is a joke, and is designed to make you laugh. If the joke worked, it will make you want to read more of the comedy contained within the product being sold
Not really, the poor developers are still getting bombarded with hate and calls for people to be fired directly in response to the joke.Xanadu84 said:you don't demand blood in retribution. The offending party apologizes like an adult, and you move on with your life. Luckily, it looks like THATS WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.
Read the rest of my post, especially "There's no relationship between the pitch and the product". This is not a comedy game, so this "joke" has no bearing on the content of the game.GoaThief said:That's exactly what the joke you're complaining about is doing. Yet for some reason you completely miss the humour and attack it as if it's serious when it's patently not. Why?
To put it another way: what if they said they would donate the $5000 to a charity no matter what, but if they weren't Greenlit, the money would go to the Westboro Baptist Church? Yeah, this is a more extreme example, but in both cases the publisher would be attempting to get people to Greenlight the project based on something other than the merits of the game itself. That's emotional manipulation.Res Plus said:Well, I guess that is one way of looking at it. Personally to call what happened "emotional manipulation" seems rather, well, hysterical to me, as does the response.
Read the article, I'll quote the especially relevant part for you;UNHchabo said:Read the rest of my post, especially "There's no relationship between the pitch and the product". This is not a comedy game, so this "joke" has no bearing on the content of the game.
Yes, there is black humour in the game and it's very relevant. I wonder if that issue of National Lampoon featured any more dogs?Understand that there is some dark humor in the game and they wanted to play off of that. We love cats! That's why we have them in our game to begin with!
+1.jon_sf said:"Jeez, people shouldn't be offended by stuff on the internet, and post negative comments to websites about it. I'm going to go post a negative comment on some website about how I think people are whiny."
I dont know, maybe its Valve using the community to know what games (these cheaper and more mediocre kind of games) should and shouldnt be on Steam. I dont know honestly but there isnt anything wrong with having a publisher in this situationMcoffey said:Yeah, but I thought it was in the same vein as kickstarter, in that it was for indie devs who don't have a publisher to be able to get their game out there and make some revenue. Why can't their pub submit it to steam through traditional means?josemlopes said:Being Greenlight is diferent then being Kickstarted, there is no money involved, its just a way to make your game available on Steam.Mcoffey said:Weird but I guess the steam community has different joke standards than the rest of the internet.
Side note: If this game has a publisher, why the hell is it on Green Light? That kind of undermines the point, doesn't it?
OT: I guess I now must be offended by that guy from the Serious Sam developers
Well, it's not clear from the trailer that there's any humor whatsoever in this game; I don't think a game can get away with this unless it's as blatantly comedic as Deathspank or Bulletstorm.GoaThief said:Yes, there is black humour in the game and it's very relevant. I wonder if that issue of National Lampoon featured any more dogs?Understand that there is some dark humor in the game and they wanted to play off of that. We love cats! That's why we have them in our game to begin with!
Ignoring your poor analogy, your new objection now boils down to the humour not being slapstick/too dry. You don't have to enjoy it but the "outrage" is silly.UNHchabo said:/snip
No, the problem is that the humor wasn't stated anywhere. The first time I saw any indication that the game might have any humor in it is in reaction to the backlash, with the statement "Understand that there is some dark humor in the game and they wanted to play off of that." Previous to that, there was the trailer, and the text on the Greenlight page, neither of which contain any mention of humor.GoaThief said:Ignoring your poor analogy, your new objection now boils down to the humour not being slapstick/too dry. You don't have to enjoy it but the "outrage" is silly.
I also like how you shift the focus to one solitary trailer in an attempt to justify your initial claims despite them being refuted in the article itself. Integrity, don't you just love it?
Hilarious.Ishigami said:Well that backfired I guess... humor is always in the eye of the beholder.
Never blame on malice what could be attributed to stupidity. It seems much more likely that they made a bad joke and didn't anticipate the reaction.uncanny474 said:My point is not what they said. My point is that they said it to be deliberately inflammatory with the intention of feigning ignorance later, in order to get news stories like this one written, which in turn generates (free) publicity for the game.Rednog said:I'm sorry but did you actually read what they said?
Saying you won't donate cash to a cause if your goal isn't met isn't threatening to kill kittens. Not helping someone doesn't make you responsible for their misfortune. It's a poor expression/dark humor, but in no way is it a threat that they are going to go out and kill kittens.
How is that worse? The things with cats is that they are the owners of a significant portion of human population, and as such have a special untouchable status on the Internet.Formica Archonis said:It could be worse. They could be pushing turkeys out of helicopters.