Diablo III

[Altorin]

Don't buy it. I for one am looking hella forward to DIII.

 

[The Procrastinated End]

And I'm sure Blizzard is sorry that a location that you have no knowledge of isn't grim and slimy but a desert...like Act 2.

My point stands.

Maybe you should look at the first half of my post.

My problem isn't with the desert setting, the graphics, or even the animation. My problem is how campy the trailer is. It's like something out of a bad kung-fu movie.

The character's a monk, other then being a priest-clone what else would you expect?
And finally; don't buy the game if your that upset that they made a character intro movie that you weren't satisfied with.

 

[The Madman]

You're comparing finished cinematic to gameplay rendered pre-release announcement trailers? Isn't that logic just a weeeee bit faulty?

By that logic we should have all complained since Diablo 2 was advertised like this:

And all we got was a serious action-rpg! Bah, clearly Diablo 2 isn't taking itself seriously enough. This franchise has been going downhill since Diablo 1. Oh, but wait, that had some silly advertising as well...


Aw Man, this franchise has been going downhill since before it even started by the logic of comparing finished game pre-rendered cutscenes to promotional content and pre-release trailers. Damn.

The End is Nigh!​

 

[Digitaldreamer7]

There isn't anything brand new other then the story because this isn't a new IP. It's diablo, so its going to be Diablo again, just shiner and a different story, what did you expect? for it to shit rainbows or something.

Bilzzard is going to announce a brand new IP (not star, war or diablo universe) at blizzcon, so, save your "its the same old thing" references for that.

 

[-Drifter-]

And I'm sure Blizzard is sorry that a location that you have no knowledge of isn't grim and slimy but a desert...like Act 2.

My point stands.

Maybe you should look at the first half of my post.

Maybe you should re-read the second half of mine.

My problem isn't with the desert setting, the graphics, or even the animation. My problem is how campy the trailer is. It's like something out of a bad kung-fu movie.

The character's a monk, other then being a priest-clone what else would you expect?
And finally; don't buy the game if your that upset that they made a character intro movie that you weren't satisfied with.

What is wrong with you? You act like I threw some sort of tantrum. I didn't. All I was saying is that I'm disappointed at the loss of the Diablo atmosphere.

There isn't anything brand new other then the story because this isn't a new IP. It's diablo, so its going to be Diablo again, just shiner and a different story, what did you expect? for it to shit rainbows or something.

Bilzzard is going to announce a brand new IP (not star, war or diablo universe) at blizzcon, so, save your "its the same old thing" references for that.

Er... Did you post in the wrong thread or something?

 

[Tony2077]

it's about gameplay not the way the graphics are or has that changed

 

[Digitaldreamer7]

There isn't anything brand new other then the story because this isn't a new IP. It's diablo, so its going to be Diablo again, just shiner and a different story, what did you expect? for it to shit rainbows or something.

Bilzzard is going to announce a brand new IP (not star, war or diablo universe) at blizzcon, so, save your "its the same old thing" references for that.

Er... Did you post in the wrong thread or something?[/quote]

Err are you, cause there were people in your thread saying its "not broke don't fix it" and "its just repackaged wow" ( which is funny cause people can argue that wow is just diablo with a warcraft skin and better online play)

I admit.. I probably should have quoted people. Here, I'll paraphrase someone else here to comment directly on your post.. how can you judge a game based solely on it's cut scenes? You (we all) know very little about the story plot or the game play etc.

 

[3dfx]

Don't ever count your eggs before they're hatched... or something like that, my grandmother used to say it all the time, but I can't remember it.

Either way, the point is, sure, it may look not that great now, but it could be completely different by release time. I am a HUGE Diablo fan, I've played that game religiously, and still play it to this day. The announcement of Diablo 3 made my month. My issue is not whether it will be a good game, but whether it will live up to the decade of hype I've had.

I end up looking at it like this; Blizzard doesn't make junk, you may not like WoW, or think Starcraft is lame, whatever, but they do try to have some sort of quality control with their products and they all seem to fly off the shelves, so there's hope there.

The best advice I can give you is to expect to be disappointed, and just don't speculate beyond that. It comes out when it comes out, and play it then, before that, screw it.

 

[Kurokami]

Huh? Im sorry. I got distracted by how overwhelmingly friggin awesome that looks. Were you saying something?

Pretty much this for me.

Everyone seems to be bitching that the sequels Blizzard has made are too much like the originals, the only thing they changed were units/characters, graphics, story and a few game features. How do you make a sequel exactly? I hope to god those that keep saying it aren't the people who bought and praised MW2 or L4D2.

 

[Johnnyallstar]

I always love it when people say that a game sucks because of XYZ. Especially when they haven't played the game. It always makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the insides.

Remember Ladies and Gentlemen, Always judge a book by it's cover. It's so much faster, and more efficient than actually reading the whole thing!

 

[doomgaze3]

Maybe it's too early to say this but the more I see of Diablo 3, the less enthusiastic I get. Many games such as Dragon Age: Origins have claimed to be "dark fantasy" but it's been so long since we got one that actually was, rather than just being regular fantasy with a coat of brown paint. I'd been hoping that Diablo 3 would bring back the series dark atmosphere and epic storyline and show everyone how it's done, but it's not looking to be the case. I'm not just talking about the increase in colour either. The subject matter has taken a turn from grim to silly. For example, take this cutscene from Diablo 2...

(snip!)

And compare it to this:

(snip!)

The gameplay looks alright, I'll admit, but they've made a lot of changes that hardly seem necessary, especially when they already perfected the Hack-Slash-and-Loot system 10 years prior.

Overall, I'm not too enthusiastic about this third installment, and it seems unlikely that Blizzard is going to turn things around. I feel like they sort of lost their soul to WoW, especially since D3 looks more like WoW than Diablo (aesthetically at least.)

All I can say is that they sure don't make em' like they used to.

Are you looking forward to Diablo 3, or do you feel the same way I do?

Really? Nobody's pointed this out yet? Okay, fine, I'll bite. You're basing the thesis of your argument on a comparison between a pre-rendered cinematic from a final game and a gameplay class reveal machinima from an unfinished game (which they probably threw together in a couple of days especially for the reveal event)? That, my friend, is silly. If you want to compare cinematics, this would be a much better example - http://fliiby.com/file/45546/t0bjn8adl2.html Not that comparing cinematics really gets us anywhere when it comes to the actual game. Diablo 1 and 2 didn't really have much of a story anyways. And no: the manual does not count. Recounting your game's background in the manual is not good storytelling.

You're seriously trying to claim that Diablo 1 and 2 had a good storyline? The cinematics were overly simplistic, never involved the player's character or actions (at least until the VERY end) and both games' threadbare story were told with melodramatic voice acting accompanied by scrolling text. The storyline from the player's perspective in D1&2 can be summed up in one line: "There be monsters in there. Kill they ass and/or grab MacGuffin. Now do it four more times." Okay, maybe that's like a line and a half or something, but you get my point.

Furthermore, you attempt to criticize other "dark fantasy" games for being too brown while neglecting to notice how overwhelmingly GREY Diablo 1 & 2 were. Worse, you then go on to complain about D3's art style being too much like WoW; ostensibly because it includes COLOR. Also, Diablo 1 or 2 never billed themselves as "Dark Fantasy". I know because I keep the boxes and manuals for both right next to my desk. That's a label that fans attached to it.

That brings me around to answering your question: Yes I am looking forward to the game. We don't get many good dungeon crawlers and even fewer with Blizzard's proven pedigree behind them. I don't expect anything beyond incremental improvements to the formula, especially based on Blizzard's track record. So basically, what I'm saying is this: There's nothing wrong with applying a fresh coat of paint on an established franchise and putting out a polished, quality product. Sequel-wise, this is what Blizzard has always done and I daresay that no one does it better (except, quite possibly, Nintendo).

And before someone says "But how is that going to advance video games?" or "But it's not original" I'm just going to cut you off right there. Does it always have to be about advancing the medium? Yes, this is an important goal and all creators should strive to innovate. But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Richard Hannay]

I think it's telling that the first post in the thread complains that Blizzard is changing their games too much from one installment to the next, and the second post complains that they're not doing it enough.

 

[-Drifter-]

Really? Nobody's pointed this out yet? Okay, fine, I'll bite. You're basing the thesis of your argument on a comparison between a pre-rendered cinematic from a final game and a gameplay class reveal machinima from an unfinished game (which they probably threw together in a couple of days especially for the reveal event)? That, my friend, is silly. If you want to compare cinematics, this would be a much better example - http://fliiby.com/file/45546/t0bjn8adl2.html Not that comparing cinematics really gets us anywhere when it comes to the actual game. Diablo 1 and 2 didn't really have much of a story anyways. And no: the manual does not count. Recounting your game's background in the manual is not good storytelling.

You're seriously trying to claim that Diablo 1 and 2 had a good storyline? The cinematics were overly simplistic, never involved the player's character or actions (at least until the VERY end) and both games' threadbare story were told with melodramatic voice acting accompanied by scrolling text. The storyline from the player's perspective in D1&2 can be summed up in one line: "There be monsters in there. Kill they ass and/or grab MacGuffin. Now do it four more times." Okay, maybe that's like a line and a half or something, but you get my point.

You could describe any game in that manner and of course it's going to sound bad. I could describe Red Dead Redemption as "Go here, kill guys, prattle on about finding Bill Williamson" or Half-Life 2 as "Kill some guys, get separated, kill more guys" but that would hardly be an accurate or fair description of either.

Furthermore, you attempt to criticize other "dark fantasy" games for being too brown while neglecting to notice how overwhelmingly GREY Diablo 1 & 2 were.

Spoiler

I'll grant that the first Diablo was quite gray, but considering it took place almost entirely underground, I think that can be forgiven. However, Diablo 2, while dark, was quite colorful.

Worse, you then go on to complain about D3's art style being too much like WoW; ostensibly because it includes COLOR.

You seem to have misunderstood me. My problem isn't the colour, it's the art direction.

That brings me around to answering your question: Yes I am looking forward to the game. We don't get many good dungeon crawlers and even fewer with Blizzard's proven pedigree behind them. I don't expect anything beyond incremental improvements to the formula, especially based on Blizzard's track record. So basically, what I'm saying is this: There's nothing wrong with applying a fresh coat of paint on an established franchise and putting out a polished, quality product. Sequel-wise, this is what Blizzard has always done and I daresay that no one does it better (except, quite possibly, Nintendo).

And before someone says "But how is that going to advance video games?" or "But it's not original" I'm just going to cut you off right there. Does it always have to be about advancing the medium? Yes, this is an important goal and all creators should strive to innovate. But if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

That's what I said in the original post. My complaint was that Blizzard is trying to fix it (or at least that's the impression I got), with the changes to the inventory, the spell bar, the health orbs, etc. None of it really seems necessary to me. This is just my opinion, however.

I'm not saying that Diablo III is, with absolute certainty, going to be a bad game. It could be the best game in the franchise and completely blow everyone away. All I'm trying to get across is that based on the info currently out, I'm not optimistic.

 

[Hiphophippo]

So we're comparing finished and released live cutscenes from one game and comparing them to quick promo trailers for another.

Would anyone really be expected to not draw a negative opinion of it when viewed in this context?

 

[Ironic Pirate]

At least you PC guys get hack and slash games. On the PS3, we have, like, 3. And two of them are terrible.