Diamond Oceans

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manaman

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Portal Maniac said:

BARBRA!
Get me... NASA.

Seriously. If, IF, we can get some spacecraft there to harvest some, can you IMAGINE how the economy will boost for the nation that gets it?
Diamonds would probably lose a bit of value, but it'd also be more practical to use them for other things!
The diamond market is basically controlled by one family. They keep the demand up, and the supply low. If they where not around you would find diamonds to be much much cheaper. This is why your $3000 ring only fetches $300 at the pawn shop.
 

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I call dibs on Jupiter! I was the first! It's mine!
Now I just need to get some 3rd world country slave kids there to harvest for me while I live in my brand new shiny diamond villa.
Oh god, people can see right through to my bath room! Call me a real estate agent, I'm moving back to my golden house!
 

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zala-taichou said:
Doesn't make sense. Only water has that property. That would mean diamond with a lot of flaws, as diamond is in itself a very tightly packed carbon form. Also, if there's so much diamond, wouldn't the price drop spectacularly? Also, if graphite solidifies, it doesn't automatically mean it becomes diamond again, even with the right pressure and temperature. Maybe in a small scale lab experiment, but on a planet, no way. That article is full of BS...
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, but I couldn't remember how dense diamond was, so I just accepted it.
 

chris11246

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zala-taichou said:
factualsquirrel said:
Wait, if solid diamond floats on liquid diamond, that means that liquid diamond is denser than diamond.

Fuckin' hell.
Doesn't make sense. Only water has that property. That would mean diamond with a lot of flaws, as diamond is in itself a very tightly packed carbon form. Also, if there's so much diamond, wouldn't the price drop spectacularly? Also, if graphite solidifies, it doesn't automatically mean it becomes diamond again, even with the right pressure and temperature. Maybe in a small scale lab experiment, but on a planet, no way. That article is full of BS...
You do realize that not every planet is like earth and that some are really dense and really hot right? Also I doubt that only one thing in the universe has the property that its solid floats in its liquid diamonds are a crystal and water's crystallization when it freezes is why it floats so I can see other crystals doing the same thing.
 

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Skarin said:
gim73 said:
Skarin said:
gim73 said:
Not very cool at all. Sounds like it's pretty hot and under very high pressure. Any attempts to actually mine these diamonds would meet with failure, as there are no materials that can actually survive the magical triple point of a freaking diamond, the hardest known material we know.

We might dream of someday harvesting our gas giants, but the truth is the gas giants are a more hostile environment than earth ever will be. We have barely even scratched the crust of our own planet. The hellish environment that you are happy is producing diamonds would kill you so fast that you would be destroyed before the first impulse of pain could be sent.
Until we develop a particle transporter that is..

[sub]MEAH HA HA HA HA!!![/sub]
Uh, yeah, that's a smart idea. Let's take Something that has been compressed and heated beyond our imagination and transport it out of it's natural environment and see what will happen.

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Ahhh, man, I just broke my transporter and fried the region because the heat it brought with it transfered to the gases around it and caused a massive shock wave!
Until we create a heat containment shield that is..
[sub]MEAH HA HA HA HA^2!!![/sub]
Heat containment shield? Like a perfect insulator? While we are at it, can I get a dr device?

Oh, and not all crystals would float on top of their liquid form. They have to actually be less dense in solid form than in liquid form. This is a very rare property. Imagine for a moment a gas that is more dense than the liquid form of the element, so that it sinks to the bottom and accumulates UNDER the liquid. While no such thing exists (that we know of), we were pretty sure that only water had the property of being less dense in solid form than liquid form.
 

GundamSentinel

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chris11246 said:
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You do realize that not every planet is like earth and that some are really dense and really hot right? Also I doubt that only one thing in the universe has the property that its solid floats in its liquid diamonds are a crystal and water's crystallization when it freezes is why it floats so I can see other crystals doing the same thing.
You may know that Neptune, Uranus and Jupiter, being farther from the sun, are quite a bit colder than the Earth. Yes, I know that at the core they may be hotter, and they most certainly are more dense. But to make a crystal with few flaws you need pretty much the same circumstances over the entire crystal, one of the reasons why flawless diamonds generally aren't very big. Weather and tidal circumstances are rather more extreme on the outer planets, so I'd like to see the quality of those gas giant diamonds.

Also, there is in fact no such thing as liquid diamond... When diamond melts, it becomes graphite, but for the sake or argument:
Water is in fact the one of very few substance that expands as it freezes, something to do with hydrogen bonds IIRC. The maximum density of water lies at 3.98C (40F if you will). When water cools below that temperature, the hydrogen bonds adjust to hold the negatively charged oxygen atoms apart, or something like it. Silicon, bismuth, gallium and germanium expand as well at lower temperatures, but no others. I'm pretty sure the same laws of physics apply on the other planets (I have no reason to assume otherwise, as the same elements have been located) so finding a material that is the same as one on earth except that is floats on its liquid form is kinda stretching it. It would most certainly mean that those gas giant diamonds are different from diamond as we know it. (hmm, maybe better... :p)
 

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Even if we did manage to get to these diamond oceans, wouldn't the value of diamonds drop dramatically because they're not rare anymore?
 

halfeclipse

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Correction, diamond CAN turn into graphite when exposed to extreme heat, it does not mean that it defiantly will. It just needs to be done at stupidly high pressures. It's hardly new either, it was first done in the early 80s. This would also be the first time anyone has really been able to observe liquid diamond (Said stupidly high pressures makes that a little hard to do after all) so claiming its bunk because one substance behaves like another substance is rather narrow minded, especially when there is been at all that says its impossible.

Skarin said:
gim73 said:
Heat containment shield? Like a perfect insulator? While we are at it, can I get a dr device?
What in herpes is a dr device?
A weapon in the enders game series.
 

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GIANT DIAMOND ICE BURGS FLOATING AROUND IN A SEE OF LIQUID DIAMOND IN URANUS
 

GundamSentinel

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halfeclipse said:
Correction, diamond CAN turn into graphite when exposed to extreme heat, it does not mean that it defiantly will. It just needs to be done at stupidly high pressures. It's hardly new either, it was first done in the early 80s. This would also be the first time anyone has really been able to observe liquid diamond (Said stupidly high pressures makes that a little hard to do after all) so claiming its bunk because one substance behaves like another substance is rather narrow minded, especially when there is been at all that says its impossible.
My point is this: there is no such thing as a liquid crystal. Even LCD displays do not use actual crystals but rather a state of matter between liquid and a crystal. Diamond, being a crystalline substance, can therefore not be liquid. Hell, the definition of crystallisation is forming a crystalline structure from a fluid or a substance dissolved in fluid. Therefore, what is created in the labs and found on the outer planets but still holds its FCC structure either isn't liquid or isn't diamond. Diamond = crystal, crystal = solid, diamond =/= liquid, q.e.d. :) I love science conundrums, thanks for this!