Digga', Please

[Aroddo]

It's a japanese game and it's racist.
Doh.

 

[Reynaert]

"You dig your hole, I'll build my wall."

-Just seems appropriate for all this.

Well done, sir (or ma'am), well done! That was a lovely soundtrack indeed.

All the commotion is almost forcing me to get this game so I can check it out myself. It seems like a fun game and I did like Odin Sphere.

 

[Eleuthera]

No. Race is biological subset, ethnicity is a cultural subset. Not the same thing.

Example: Race - Caucasian
Ethnicities - Irish, Welsh, German, French, Slovak, etc.

OT: I see what you did there. Good form sirs. keep up the good work.

I'm aware of the difference between race and ethnicity, my question was more in line with "What do you call it if it's about ethnicity?"

 

[Piorn]

It's less of a racism issue than it is a Tolkien-induced prejudice issue.
Still, interesting point.

How so ?

Tolkien's dwarves and elves all had different professions and roles that were never defined only by their races.

That's true, but I was thinking of the Fellowship of the Ring, which had several humans, several Hobbits, a wizard, the Melee-Dwarf, and the Ranger-Elf and let's be honest, 95% of people who know that team don't know all the lore of Middle Earth.
It might not be the origin of this, but that specific setup has been burned into the subconcious.

 

[Psychobabble]

I can just see the Fighter's answer. "Well sorry you two, but affirmative action says by law we have to hire some minorities, so to keep our butts out of a sling with the adventurers guild, we chose you."

 

[RebelRising]

Honestly, the title for this strip just reminds me of how much I miss Doraleous & Associates.

Yes, I'm still bitter about that. Sue me.

 

[LadyRhian]

It's a shoutout to really old D&D where elves and Dwarves were both a class *and* a race. Not that it makes me like the game any better... And I'm not gonna play it anyway because I'm not a console gamer.

 

[RoonMian]

No. Race is biological subset, ethnicity is a cultural subset. Not the same thing.

Example: Race - Caucasian
Ethnicities - Irish, Welsh, German, French, Slovak, etc.

OT: I see what you did there. Good form sirs. keep up the good work.

I'm aware of the difference between race and ethnicity, my question was more in line with "What do you call it if it's about ethnicity?"

Since there are no different races inside the species homo sapiens it is always about ethnicity. So you call it racism.

 

[craddoke]

It's a shoutout to really old D&D where elves and Dwarves were both a class *and* a race. Not that it makes me like the game any better... And I'm not gonna play it anyway because I'm not a console gamer.

Quite right - there is a long-simmering argument in Old School D&D in which the extreme positions are held by those who treat classes as professions (so that dwarves can be fighters, clerics, etc.) and those that treat classes as archetypes (in which case "dwarf" itself is an archetype with certain assumptions baked into it).

I tend to like a more moderate approach in my games: races are not classes, but classes are still archetypes. This is closer to what AD&D 1e advocates (although there are the thief/assassin classes, that toe the line between archetype and profession). By keeping classes as archetypes, though, you don't have to deal with endless sub-classes, which are just flavors of the main archetypes (usually with game-breaking rules).

 

[PunkRex]

Don't be mad my Elf, i'll give you some purple potion.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

I don't get it. I haven't played the game but isn't the dwarf another warrior and the elf the typical... dunno... ranged warrior, or rogue?

Good point. Has anyone addressed the horrifying racism in this game before now?

Enlighten me. Why is it racist? Because it can't be the dwarf who is doing magic?

Dude, it's because the rest of the characters are identified by their profession, not their race.

When has an elf in a fantasy world had a profession anything other than the one who kills things with arrows? Same goes with the dwarf and axeing stuff into oblivion.

And also, elves and dwarves aren't a race. A race of what?? They're far more different from each other than, say, Africans are from Asians.

 

[Abomination]

I'm actually kind'a disappointed we have a wizard and an amazon. I would have thought a better roster would have been a cleric and a thief/rogue, maybe even a paladin instead of the Fighter.

Amazon, Fighter and Dwarf are all just redundant versions of each other. The elf is at least a hybrid.

 

[KOMega]

Oh, so because I'm an elf I must be good at archery and play with woodland creatures.
Pfft...
racist.

Does anyone else find the fighters absurdly small head hilarious? It looks like a furry pea atop a boulder.

It is hilarious, and one of the reasons I find it funny the game is getting such controversial discussions.

 

[burningdragoon]

When has an elf in a fantasy world had a profession anything other than the one who kills things with arrows? Same goes with the dwarf and axeing stuff into oblivion.

You can file that under "The Point".

 

[Ruisu]

Wow. Now Dragon's Crown is racist. Guess I'll go get my popcorn...



Anyway, sometimes it really feels like people are eagerly looking for little details to complain about in games. That's not really a problem when you're (supposedly) just making fun of it, but then there are those that just have to consider it a big deal.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

No. Race is biological subset, ethnicity is a cultural subset. Not the same thing.

Example: Race - Caucasian
Ethnicities - Irish, Welsh, German, French, Slovak, etc.

OT: I see what you did there. Good form sirs. keep up the good work.

I'm aware of the difference between race and ethnicity, my question was more in line with "What do you call it if it's about ethnicity?"

Cultural ignorance? I don't think we have an -ism that describes that. Thanks for clarifying your statement though.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

When has an elf in a fantasy world had a profession anything other than the one who kills things with arrows? Same goes with the dwarf and axeing stuff into oblivion.

You can file that under "The Point".

Why? Kangaroos hop. Monkeys swing and eat bananas. Different animals do different things.

 

[burningdragoon]

When has an elf in a fantasy world had a profession anything other than the one who kills things with arrows? Same goes with the dwarf and axeing stuff into oblivion.

You can file that under "The Point".

Why? Kangaroos hop. Monkeys swing and eat bananas. Different animals do different things.

And humans... do lot's of different stuff. Again, the Point.

It's like if there was a Star Wars game with classes Jedi, Smuggler, Stormtrooper, and Twi'lek, where the Twi'lek is a stripper.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Oh, so because I'm an elf I must be good at archery and play with woodland creatures.
Pfft...
racist.

I dunno, you could also be an immortal, magically adept, aristocrat with an aloof manner, depending on the fantasy universe in question; but those are your only two lots, sorry.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

And humans... do lot's of different stuff. Again, the Point.

It's like if there was a Star Wars game with classes Jedi, Smuggler, Stormtrooper, and Twi'lek, where the Twi'lek is a stripper.

I don't get the Star Wars comparison. So in Dragon's Crown there are humans doing lots of stuff (fighting, sorcering, wizarding), and elves and dwarves. I don't see the problem, unless you think elves and dwarves are humans too, in which case you'd be wrong.