You and me both. That's pretty much the only reason I clicked the link, to hurt myself more.RebelRising said:
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*head desk* so the game is sexist and racist now?
we sure its an actual thing or we just making things up at this point cause there's been nothing to really ***** about for a while.
cause that's what its starting to feel like.
we sure its an actual thing or we just making things up at this point cause there's been nothing to really ***** about for a while.
cause that's what its starting to feel like.
This is wrong.amaranth_dru said:
Race is the term we incorrectly use for ethnicity.
Racism shouldn't be a word because we are all one race, humans, regardless of skin color.
Ethnicity is where those differences in our race play a role.
Caucasians are the ethnicity of those who originate from the Caucasus mountain range
Edit:
What you've claimed as being ethnicity is actually Nationality.
That clears everything up, the game is racist! theres no Mexican class!!! , it should learn from southpark and include a Jew class alsoRichfeet said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114776-South-Park-RPG-Class-List-Includes-the-Jew
BTW Don't you feel that we're missing a healer class?, Hoping for an expansion with my priestess.
Actually, you're both right.Draconalis said:
"Race" is a way of categorizing human beings according to perceived biological or essential differences. However, every assumption ever produced by race science has been widely debunked, so you're right in that most sane people now prefer the term ethnicity to the term race. The main difference is that, unlike race, ethnicity does not generally purport to be a physical scientific term, it describes how people are socially identified by their ancestry.
So basically..
We are one species, homo sapiens.
This species was at one point thought to be divided into a number of races determined by physiological and innate psychological characteristics.
However, very few of these characteristics turned out to actually exist, so instead we are divided into much more nuanced and local ethnic groups.
Racism is the (at this point very foolish) belief that races actually "exist" and that being part of a given race confers any kind of intrinsic meaning about who you are.
Most of the touchstones of fantasy were all written at a time when racism was still very much the majority position, and unfortunately while most fantasy writers were not maliciously hateful towards other races in their own personal lives, that simple fact does come out (just as it does in almost all media produced at the same time). The fact that we still identify elves and dwarves as "races" rather than "species" is an affectation which we've (perhaps unfortunately) forgotten the significance of.
They're not.Draconalis said:
Race science predates the idea of evolution as we understand it (some racial theories like the Hamitic hypothesis were explicitly grounded in Biblical creation).
As evolutionary theory took hold, there were attempts to classify the "races" as different species, heck at one point in that crazy post-Darwinian world the belief became popular among some sections of the scientific community that men and women were different species, but the vast majority of racists still accepted that there was one species, homo sapiens. Within that species were several races.
We have analogous things today, for example with dog breeds. A pug and great dane are both canis lupus and genetically are pretty much indistinguishable, but we see them as very different animals because they look different.
Cap'n! The autism levels are too high!
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We shouldn't have come!
(Can't resist giving the wasp nest a good prod, could you, lads?)
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We shouldn't have come!
(Can't resist giving the wasp nest a good prod, could you, lads?)
I had fun reading this, but the first thought I had was that this was not really something new...
So yeah.
So yeah.
You know, in reading this again, I can't help but wonder who, and how many times some one actually asked 'what do the Dwarf and Elf do', and genuinely not know the answer due to knowing nothing about Dwarves or Elves.Grey Carter said:
Well to be fair physical attributes do play a role. Dwarves are by definition short, and even if they have great aim a regular sized person is going to be able to carry a bigger bow and thus shot further. Which is kinda the point of using a bow and arrow in the first place.[/quote]DVS BSTrD said:
You'd still find them using them. A bow and arrow is inherently advantageous. The fact that others might use them better is irrelevant. The English had great longbowmen, but other people still used bows. The advantage of being able to bring down a foe at range is too good to let a little factor (heh) like other people being naturally better stop you from trying.
Really though, it's academic. The point was to establish that the root sources of a lot of Fantasy actually have much more diverse representations of these classic races than those same races do now. Tolkein-esque fantasy is a term that gets used to describe fantasy that is usually way more confined, stereotypical, and often not terribly like the Middle Earth setting at all.
I'm wholly one-hundred-percent unapologetic about the good fortune of being able to buy a product that is tailored towards my demographic. So if it makes you feel better Mr. Carter, I don't see the point of all the moral hand-wringing that some people get up to in the face of self-righteous internet hatred either.Grey Carter said:
You they really need to do in order to 'win' is laugh these people off.
Obviously, because humans are short lived and have small brains, so they need to specialise.
A lot like insects, really.
Elves, on the other hand, are superior beings, and more than capable of doing everything better than everyone else.
In fact, an elf that's more than a couple of centuries old, who is less than sublime in anything at all, is quite possibly a retard.
So, the answer is, elfing and dwarfing.
Duh.
A lot like insects, really.
Elves, on the other hand, are superior beings, and more than capable of doing everything better than everyone else.
In fact, an elf that's more than a couple of centuries old, who is less than sublime in anything at all, is quite possibly a retard.
So, the answer is, elfing and dwarfing.
Duh.
I hate to be that guy, but the developers clearly done this as a reference of any other classic fantasy beat 'em ups game we know.
-In Golden Axe we had the Drawf.
-In the Dungeons & Dragons games created by Capcom had the Drawf and Elf.
You get the idea.
-In Golden Axe we had the Drawf.
-In the Dungeons & Dragons games created by Capcom had the Drawf and Elf.
You get the idea.
Is it just me or did anyone else think the Dwarf was goint to bust (not a sorceress joke)out into a certain dance....
He's Dwarven and he knows it!
He's Dwarven and he knows it!