Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
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If that happened that would be awesome bit of story planning. Doubt it but would love to see that.Tanis said:
That being said. I loved the part at the end with Mr. Weasley sitting at the door to the TARDIS eating lunch and just watching the Earth. Just an excellent shot.
Also, there were various things that reminded me of Douglas Adams writing. The two bumbling robots, Mr. Weasley has his towel, little things like that.
Ahhh Shada, it would have been pretty good I think. It was certainly pretty good as Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency when combined with City of Death. I liked the Douglas Adams episodes, some don't but I do, particularly The Pirate Planet.Roganzar said:
I liked Harry, certainly one of the better companions. At least he was lucky enough to be written with some consistency, unlike a lot of others (looking at you Rose and Martha, poor Freema Agyeman).
It was novelized recently, by the same guy who did "The Shakespeare Code" in 2007, "The Unicorn and the Wasp" in 2008, "The Lodger" in 2010 and "Closing Time" in 2011.Roganzar said:
But you know what was better about the 9th doctor? He wanted to save people, he wanted to save everyone. If he had to kill then that was a sorry part of it. The 10th doctor seemed much more willing to kill and saving people was the afterthought, an end result but 10 would dwell on killing.Proverbial Jon said:
That triumphant shout of "Just this once, EVERYBODY LIVES!" at the end of The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances two parter defined the ninth doctor, he couldn't save the Time Lords, but he rejoiced in every moment where he could save others.
So I'm quite liking this lawful psychopathic doctor.
Re-Watching the new series from the beginning has really shown something.
The Ninth Doctor suffers severe PTSD having just emerged from a place where he has annihilated two species including his own. He has a relapse of terrors when he sees the Darlek the trophy hunter finds and is terrified till he realises that it is broken where upon he gloats and spitefully vents his anger at it. He then proceeds, shortly after, to try and destroy it because if it survives he knows what it will do; the only thing it is mentally capable of. Should the Dalek survive it cheapens the large scale sacrifice and genocide laying heavily on his memory. He also shows a large streak of surviver guilt and avoidence, at the start of the series he completely evades any question of where he is from or what he has done. He is very much true neutral. He wants adventure in space without any responsability so he can forget the terrible things he has been made to do.
Quote: "You can't just swan off!" "Yes I can. This is me swanning off"
The Tenth Doctor became a law unto himself. He has already carried out judgement that two entire species could not be allowed to live, why should he allow a handful of hostile creatures to continue to harm the place he killed his own species to save? Such a judgement would seem a small step compared to agonising decision to conclude the Time War. He is slipping, becoming sociopathic. He becomes Judge, Jury and Executioner of the entire universe. Do anything he personally does not like or harm those he likes and woe unto you regardless of the law. He is very unstable, the image of him standing with hate in his eyes bringing down the ocean on the spider queen is very representative of the later Tenth.
Quote: The Doctor: For a long time now, I thought I was just a survivor, but I'm not. I'm the winner! That's who I am: the Time Lord Victorious!
Adelaide: And there's no one to stop you...
The Doctor: No!
Adelaide: [disgusted] This is wrong, Doctor! I don't care who you are: the Time Lord Victorious is wrong!
The Doctor: [arrogantly] That's for me to decide.
The Eleventh doctor at first was shown pulling back from the homicidal sociopathy of the Tenth, he is shown...old. He is old. He just wants some nice things before he dies, he's lost too many companions, made too many sacrifices, his self appointed role has turned into a heavy weight around his neck. His stories become more personal, he will not let anything happen to Amy or Rory because he can't bear to lose any more friends. He turns into a bit of a lawful psychopath, becoming more stable. There are rules and you will obey them or you will be MADE to obey them.
Quote: "The question is, what do we do now? Either you turn off your clever machine or I'll blow you and you new paradigm into eternity."
Ninth is still my favourite doctor though.
Re-Watching the new series from the beginning has really shown something.
The Ninth Doctor suffers severe PTSD having just emerged from a place where he has annihilated two species including his own. He has a relapse of terrors when he sees the Darlek the trophy hunter finds and is terrified till he realises that it is broken where upon he gloats and spitefully vents his anger at it. He then proceeds, shortly after, to try and destroy it because if it survives he knows what it will do; the only thing it is mentally capable of. Should the Dalek survive it cheapens the large scale sacrifice and genocide laying heavily on his memory. He also shows a large streak of surviver guilt and avoidence, at the start of the series he completely evades any question of where he is from or what he has done. He is very much true neutral. He wants adventure in space without any responsability so he can forget the terrible things he has been made to do.
Quote: "You can't just swan off!" "Yes I can. This is me swanning off"
The Tenth Doctor became a law unto himself. He has already carried out judgement that two entire species could not be allowed to live, why should he allow a handful of hostile creatures to continue to harm the place he killed his own species to save? Such a judgement would seem a small step compared to agonising decision to conclude the Time War. He is slipping, becoming sociopathic. He becomes Judge, Jury and Executioner of the entire universe. Do anything he personally does not like or harm those he likes and woe unto you regardless of the law. He is very unstable, the image of him standing with hate in his eyes bringing down the ocean on the spider queen is very representative of the later Tenth.
Quote: The Doctor: For a long time now, I thought I was just a survivor, but I'm not. I'm the winner! That's who I am: the Time Lord Victorious!
Adelaide: And there's no one to stop you...
The Doctor: No!
Adelaide: [disgusted] This is wrong, Doctor! I don't care who you are: the Time Lord Victorious is wrong!
The Doctor: [arrogantly] That's for me to decide.
The Eleventh doctor at first was shown pulling back from the homicidal sociopathy of the Tenth, he is shown...old. He is old. He just wants some nice things before he dies, he's lost too many companions, made too many sacrifices, his self appointed role has turned into a heavy weight around his neck. His stories become more personal, he will not let anything happen to Amy or Rory because he can't bear to lose any more friends. He turns into a bit of a lawful psychopath, becoming more stable. There are rules and you will obey them or you will be MADE to obey them.
Quote: "The question is, what do we do now? Either you turn off your clever machine or I'll blow you and you new paradigm into eternity."
Ninth is still my favourite doctor though.
The 2 robots were voiced by David Mitchell and Robert Webb who are rather famous comedians over here. I don't know why it irritates me, they were pretty good. It just seemed such a token effort. Though I'm watching the next episode right now and I find the Ben Browder cameo just ridiculawesome.Susan Arendt said:
Thinking about it now I have to agree the robots were very Adamsy...Roganzar said:
What?Evil Smurf said:
Who do you...? Where did you...? What makes you think...? What is this, I don't even...
If you'd bothered to pay close attention, you'd notice in various inside looks and whatnot that the developers chose to continue from the original series, rather than simply rebooting it. And if it where a reboot, then how would you explain the video cameos of the Doctor's earlier forms before Nine? This was painfully, painfully obvious in The Eleventh Hour. So obvious, that it was a plot point! How do you miss these things!?
I got the chance to talk Doctor Who with Susan in person yesterday. It was awesome! 
Anyway...
Anyway...
That's a bit unfair, Rory stated back in series 5 that after Prisoner Zero, he read up about space and time theories and what not. Obviously that doesn't make him an expert but all humans are going to be "ham-fisted idiots" when dealing with time travel unless they are NASA scientists.
How so? The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that has been drastically messed with is the removal of the limit on regenerations and that was Russell T Davies who wrote that episode of SJA, not Moffat.Evil Smurf said:
Where the flaming donkey bollocks is Susan? The Doctors grand daughter. The doctor has family, being Susan, everytime he mumbles about "being lonely" I think WHY NOT VISIT HER!TimeLord said:I got the chance to talk Doctor Who with Susan in person yesterday. It was awesome!
Anyway...
That's a bit unfair, Rory stated back in series 5 that after Prisoner Zero, he read up about space and time theories and what not. Obviously that doesn't make him an expert but all humans are going to be "ham-fisted idiots" when dealing with time travel unless they are NASA scientists.
How so? The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that has been drastically messed with is the removal of the limit on regenerations and that was Russell T Davies who wrote that episode of SJA, not Moffat.Evil Smurf said:
Did you not notice the whole 'Time War' thing that keeps cropping up? The thing that is stated to have wiped out pretty much all the Time Lords. Think that might have something to do with her disappearance?Evil Smurf said:
Its not like she's been retconned out of existence either, the Doctor has mentioned several times that he did have family in the past. But they're gone now
Must say I just started watching Doctor Who this week. This article was quite helpful explaining some of the things I felt I was missing. Like when the show paused because I was clearly supposed to be gasping in suspense. So far I think I have only seen 3-4 episodes, no idea the names, but it was about a flat that had an upstairs that people never came back from. Going back in time to kill Hitler (which seems to be some very important episode with this new lady being revealed, no idea who she is, other then what was said during the episode). This Dinosaur Ship one, and I think one more.
Can anyone tell me where I should start on netflix to get the main story I need for this seasons upcoming episodes.
Can anyone tell me where I should start on netflix to get the main story I need for this seasons upcoming episodes.
If you just want to understand this season, I'd advise just going back and either watching Matt Smith from the beginning, or just watching last season if you're short on time.Mouse_Crouse said:
Once these first five episodes are done and we have another break, start back with Eccleston and watch all the new stuff. You'll then have enough knowledge to really get the show without searching around for the old stuff.
Which season does this doctor start in? I believe Netflix has a few seasons back.juyunseen said:
I can't help but disagree. The episode that has that quote in it is after he has ruined Donna's life and he is looking back at everyone who suffered because of their involvement with him; Martha and her family live with the horror of the Masters alternate reality, Astrid (voyage of the damned) died saving him, Captain Jack is 'wrong', he destroyed Pompeii. Pile that on top of the guilt over the time war and he snapped, knowing that the mars crew had to die he asked himself "who decided that?", he realized he had the power to do whatever he wanted.Scorched_Cascade said:
And what happened 2 minutes later? He realized what a massive mistake that was as the entire universe got remade around his decision, he realised that just because he can doesn't mean he should.
The new doctor seems a bit more willing to change the rules however. Look at the last series, the whole thing is building up to his death so he runs around and finds a way to cheat death and keep on going. While not messing with a 'fixed' event like 10 did it's still changing history to work the way he wants it to.
As for ten's personality while he was willing to kill it was usually as a last resort. Look at the fires of pompeii, he has to choose between pompeii or everyone on earth, he didn't want to kill but he had to. Or look at planet of the dead, the stingrays are death incarnate, not evil but they will still wipe out everything on world after world. For the good of the universe he should wipe them out but instead he makes sure they will travel to uninhabited worlds and never harm anyone. He doesn't want to kill because just because it's easier.
I would say the best representative of ten is the end of of midnight when you see the guilt he feels over not being able to save the hostess and possessed passenger - he's tired of fighting and seeing people die. I agree that 9 had PTSD over the war, 10 has got over the worst of that and now lives with a guilt over constantly surviving when so many others don't.
You know, I figured that the Rani might be featured in this episode before we realized it was the Silurians. In a sixth doctor episode, Mark of the Rani (1985), she is incubating dinosaur eggs in her TARDIS. At that time, she had the coolest-looking TARDIS interior. At the end of the episode, the Rani and the Master are both trapped in her TARDIS as a T-Rex is quickly hatching and growing.
I also thought that Sabalom Glitz might have been an interesting throwback instead of Solomon. While Sabalom would never have the lack-of-heart to toss Silurians out into space, he once sold off his entire crew, pretty much condemning them to death... The seventh Doctor never really addressed that.
I know it might be selfish to wish that the new series and the old series meshed a little more but there are so few television shows with as much screen time as Doctor Who and we are coming up on the 50th anniversary-- where are those throwbacks?
I also thought that Sabalom Glitz might have been an interesting throwback instead of Solomon. While Sabalom would never have the lack-of-heart to toss Silurians out into space, he once sold off his entire crew, pretty much condemning them to death... The seventh Doctor never really addressed that.
I know it might be selfish to wish that the new series and the old series meshed a little more but there are so few television shows with as much screen time as Doctor Who and we are coming up on the 50th anniversary-- where are those throwbacks?
One of the highlights of my Expo, no joke. I'm kind of cheesed we didn't get to do it more. You guys were SO awesome to hang out with. Thanks for letting me sit in on the convo.TimeLord said:I got the chance to talk Doctor Who with Susan in person yesterday. It was awesome!