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Boletes Net

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Hey my little brothers writting an essay about discrimination against homosexuals,

He has a number of points to discuss:
Homosexuality in pop culture
Adoption
Gay marraige
Religious views on homosexuality
Blood donation
ect....

Do you have any examples/references that he can use regarding these topics?

Please don't just comment to discriminate, this isn't a debate thread, if you have any useful opinions on the subjects or an insight into why you think these things are right or wrong then please post but don't just argue :)

Cheers :)
 
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Step 1: Open a book
Step 2: Do your own damn work
Step3: ???
Step4: Profit

Why can't kids do their own work nowadays? When I was a kid we cheated with books instead of the internet...
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Step 1: Open a book
Step 2: Do your own damn work
Step3: ???
Step4: Profit

Why can't kids do their own work nowadays? When I was a kid we cheated with books instead of the internet...
Well, since it's a discussion he has to reasearch, which the internet (or even books) helps with greatly. It's not an opinion piece so he can't pull the information out of his ass. Just sayin'

However, OP, if you want to help your brother research his homework then putting in the legwork would be more advisable than asking a forum to do it for you. Quoth Anonymous "we are not your personal army" or in this case research team. You'll feel better about yourself for helping too.

If you're looking for the opinions of people on here then refer to the no doubt hundreds of topics the search bar will throw at you.

Just some advice, I don't mean to sound like a dick :)
 

Boletes Net

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TyrantGanado said:
Daystar Clarion said:
Step 1: Open a book
Step 2: Do your own damn work
Step3: ???
Step4: Profit

Why can't kids do their own work nowadays? When I was a kid we cheated with books instead of the internet...
Well, since it's a discussion he has to reasearch, which the internet (or even books) helps with greatly. It's not an opinion piece so he can't pull the information out of his ass. Just sayin'

However, OP, if you want to help your brother research his homework then putting in the legwork would be more advisable than asking a forum to do it for you. Quoth Anonymous "we are not your personal army" or in this case research team. You'll feel better about yourself for helping too.

If you're looking for the opinions of people on here then refer to the no doubt hundreds of topics the search bar will throw at you.

Just some advice, I don't mean to sound like a dick :)

Nah i totally agree it just seems to be a very common topic on the off topic's so i figured some people would have some relevant information links ect....I got told to help him so this is my lazy way :p cheers though
 

TyrantGanado

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Boletes Net said:
Nah i totally agree it just seems to be a very common topic on the off topic's so i figured some people would have some relevant information links ect....I got told to help him so this is my lazy way :p cheers though
Ah fair enough dude, thought you might have been one of 'em noobs who's oblivious to the search bar and the notion of repeat topics. I guess I was too presumptious. Damn kids get off my lawn!
 

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The problem with gay marriage is that marriage stems from religion and, historically, homosexuality is frowned upon (to put it delicately) in many religions. However, I would like to think that, as a society, we have grown and developed enough to allow gay marriage without so much as the blink of an eye. I, myself, not being religious whatsoever, support gay marriage

I have several gay friends and I think they would all make better fathers than I would. My gay flatmate is actually against gay couples adopting because of fear that their children would be bullied. My view is that as gay couples adopting children becomes more and more popular, it would no longer seem strange, it would be classed as normal and, thus, wouldn't be a reason for bullying

I'm all for gay marriage and gay adoption, I support it and am always outraged when I come across someone who isn't. My mechanic is a homophobic prick and I can't stand to look at him. Discrimination is sad and pathetic and now I'm ranting so I'll shut up
 

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Woo, I was going to make some gay joke, but it looks like some real input has popped into my head.

Discirmination is, on an individual basis, dependent on where you are, and more importantly, your own attitude. Being camp is not a right you suddenly get by being gay. I usually find myself wanting to punch their pansy camp faces.

I In my case, it's been pretty minimal- if you have a laugh with everyone else at the odd joke, that's what it stays. It's when you get defensive that everyone realises "hey, that guy is being a ****. I don't like him as an individual, but his sexuality is an easy target and an excuse he can use".

To be honest, I'm usually the one making the gay jokes ("I am totally fucking all about shopping and interior decoration, you pansy fucks!").

Of course, this is my personal experience, and the people I've encountered have been relativley resonable folks. Also, being pretty much "straight gay" (look it up on TVtropes. No link, to avoid ruining the day of anyone clicking idly), which tends to help. Camp gay is true far too often, and really irritates me. As does the whole LGBTQYZMPPSDJHYFHDTRHGDTRDHTRDGTRSDHetc. movement.

Also, fags whining about discrimination pisses me off as much as discrimination. Probably more, since I have to put up with it more.

Wow, look, a response from a real live gay!
 

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I wish had some references for you but I don't.

I can tell you what I believe though.

pop culture derives largely from television/Hollywood media which has found that portraying stereotypes of gays (though this applies to all stereotypes) makes them more money than creating a character with complexity, due to the short attention spans of the populace and that the populace find stereotypes amusing. This perpetuates the belief that homosexuals are the stereotypes, because thats all those people know of it. Well they also know of it because the bible and republicans (one in the same) tell them its ungodly and unconstitutional. They couldn't be more wrong. Recognizing any marriage (a religious ceremony) regardless of who's involved is unconstitutional dues the "separation of church & state" notion thats prevalent through the constitution. As for being ungodly, they don't know whats godly anymore than anyone else, which is to say: NOT AT ALL.

Moving on to adoption. Theres been a few(few, as in: insignificant number) studies on homosexual parenting, which have concluded that on average homosexual parent surrogates are more likely to be better parents (no accidental conception, no over burdening with too many children, a more open mind set due to not being religious fundamentalists, etc. etc.)

I made a post on this earlier which I think summarizes it nicely.
Choppaduel said:
sexual orientation is not a significant indicator of one's, or a couple's, ability to raise children and should be treated as such during evaluation.
Finally on blood donation. The issue here is not with homosexuality but with anal sex, which is much more likely to result in communicating a blood-born disease. On the donor applications, they ask is you have had anal sex in the last 12 months(I'm guessing on the specifics here) and if you answer yes, you cannot donate.

ok i think its legible now, let me know if your confused by something
 

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If he's doing online research, maybe look at different pressure groups from either side of the spectrum then compare and evaluate your findings. I'm sure if your brother heads to a library there'll be plenty of academic writing on the topic which you'll get a higher mark for referencing.

In my personal opinion, homophobia is simply a non-argument, like racism or sexism. You can't credibly argue against someone being a homosexual in the same way you can't credibly argue why someone's skin colour could be unhelpful to their character or actions. Unfortunately this doesn't stop people from basing their opinions on stereotypical stigma such as various HIV epidemics which have happened in the gay community during the 70's/ 80's. Also, religion doesn't help the matter as people are indoctrinated with homophobic principles from birth by bigoted holy scripture.

On the topic of Catholicism, a rather brilliant speech from Stephen Fry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL5WVecNdhk
 

Frankydee

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Tell him to take a look through some of the history behind it as well, more particularly ancient Roman culture where the sort of thing was more of an everyday happenstance than taboo.

I read the OP and immediately reminded myself of my high school report on Caligula.
 

Lilani

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I don't think Internet forums are a legitimate source. Tell him to just look up things on the news. There's lots of stuff about gay bullying going around these days.

The only thing I'm going to give you is this video on youtube. It's a guy who is talking to a school board he is on about gay bullying, and it's personal for him too because he simultaneously makes his sexuality public.

 

nekoali

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Well, discrimination against LGBT people is still quite common place. And a lot of people just don't see the problem because they aren't being discriminated against personally, so clearly we are just whiners who want special privileges, right? I mean they have their rights, and this is the 'land of the free' (speaking as a citizen of the USA here), so everyone is equal, right?

No, we are not. LGBT people are still very much second class citizens. Despite the Constitution saying we are equal, we are not. When was the last time you heard of someone being legally fired from their work, or denied medical coverage or public services for being straight? How about denied or kicked out of their housing? Attacked and beat up on the streets or killed outright for being a straight, cisgendered "normal' person?

Yet these are daily considerations that LGBT people have to take into account. That we could be hurt, killed, fired, or otherwise discriminated against because of who we are. Something that we have no control over being.

Let's look at the whole gay marriage thing. People claim that it's against their religion, or harms traditional marriage or redefines it. Marriage, in a biblical sense, is a business transaction between two men. One man trades goods or money (the dowry) for another man's daughter. That is how the Bible defines marriage, because at the time it was written, that is how marriage worked. Clearly it is not that way now, so marriage has already been 'redefined'. And not bay homosexual people.

It is also impossible for one person's marriage to negatively impact another person's. Unless they are marrying someone who is already married... And if it would, the whole quicky marriages and divorces do far more to 'harm traditional marriage' than two loving people of the same sex who want to devote their lives together.

Finally, the fight for equal rights to marry is a political, legal battle. Not a religious one. Legal marriage and religious marriage just happen to share the same name. This is not a fight to force churches who are against same sex marriage to perform the ceremonies. Rather it is a battle so that two people, regardless of their gender, can commit to each other in a legal manner and share all the same legal rights and responsibilities. Civil Unions are not the same. The legal definition of a civil union denies 1018 individual rights to the couple in comparison to legal marriage. Including things like hospital determination rights, child custody rights and pensions. To create two different classes of 'marriage' in this way is by it's very definition discrimination.

Adoption is very similar. Studies and practical experience both in and out of this country show that children, adopted or natural, of same sex couples are just as like to succeed and be happy, and just as likely to turn out heterosexual or otherwise, as children of opposite sex couples. And far more likely to succeed and be happy than children in orphanages with no parents.

Religion and homosexuality. Every religion has the right to believe what they will and to ask and expect their members to obey the tenants of their religion. But none of them have the right to force other people not of their religion to follow their rules.

To sum up... The fight for gay rights is not people looking for special treatment, but people looking for the same treatment as other people. Something we do not have, and we have to deal with discrimination on a daily basis. The only way to get these things fixed is to keep making noise, and keep pushing. Racial and sexual equal rights didn't come about because black people and women sat back and stayed quiet. They fought, yelled, legislated and bled to be treated the way that we are supposed to be treated... as equals.

We're still not there yet. As long as people fear that which is different and fear losing control, even the illusion of control, we will have to keep fighting. For the sake of equality.
 

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Let's see, gays in pop culture...

Gay men are campy effeminate queens who do hair and makeup and nails or... well Will and Grace.
Lesbians are either leather-wearing bull-dykes with short haircuts or are young and just doing it for the attention.
Bisexual Women are either slutty attention-whores or evil manipulative bitches who are out to destroy everything you hold dear.
Bisexual Men don't exist.
Ditto with Transmen.
Transwomen are horrible abominations out to trick you into being gay... unless they've got both boobs and vagina, then its ok.

And finally, they are all usually minor side-characters. Almost always played for comedy. If they are major characters, they're villains (see Bisexual women).

I'm not giving you examples because... because I'm lazy, but these are the conclusions you'll come to after looking at the material. Look for Katy Perry's "I kissed a girl," Will and Grace, I think there was a Family Guy joke or two about a transwoman and Quagmire (which pretty well sums up their exposure). TV tropes on bisexuality will yield you examples on Bi women, and you won't find anything on Bi Men or Transmen which yields you those conclusions.

re: The blood thing: This is a policy of the CDC's and not a law or something like that. It came about via AIDS in the 1980's when it infected the blood supply.

Religion: Judeo-Christian: Leviticus 18 22, Catholic: Catholic Catechism 2357, 58, and 59, There's some Quran quote too, Google 'Gay Uganda' sometime, and finally: Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Alan Rekers, Eddie Long, Paul Crouch, John Geoghan, I could go on but I think you get my point.
 

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silverhawk100 said:
Let's see, gays in pop culture...

Gay men are campy effeminate queens who do hair and makeup and nails or... well Will and Grace.
Lesbians are either leather-wearing bull-dykes with short haircuts or are young and just doing it for the attention.
Bisexual Women are either slutty attention-whores or evil manipulative bitches who are out to destroy everything you hold dear.
Bisexual Men don't exist.
Ditto with Transmen.
Transwomen are horrible abominations out to trick you into being gay... unless they've got both boobs and vagina, then its ok.

And finally, they are all usually minor side-characters. Almost always played for comedy. If they are major characters, they're villains (see Bisexual women).

I'm not giving you examples because... because I'm lazy, but these are the conclusions you'll come to after looking at the material. Look for Katy Perry's "I kissed a girl," Will and Grace, I think there was a Family Guy joke or two about a transwoman and Quagmire (which pretty well sums up their exposure). TV tropes on bisexuality will yield you examples on Bi women, and you won't find anything on Bi Men or Transmen which yields you those conclusions.

re: The blood thing: This is a policy of the CDC's and not a law or something like that. It came about via AIDS in the 1980's when it infected the blood supply.

Religion: Judeo-Christian: Leviticus 18 22, Catholic: Catholic Catechism 2357, 58, and 59, There's some Quran quote too, Google 'Gay Uganda' sometime, and finally: Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Alan Rekers, Eddie Long, Paul Crouch, John Geoghan, I could go on but I think you get my point.
thanks :)
 

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CrashBang said:
The problem with gay marriage is that marriage stems from religion and, historically, homosexuality is frowned upon (to put it delicately) in many religions. However, I would like to think that, as a society, we have grown and developed enough to allow gay marriage without so much as the blink of an eye. I, myself, not being religious whatsoever, support gay marriage

I have several gay friends and I think they would all make better fathers than I would. My gay flatmate is actually against gay couples adopting because of fear that their children would be bullied. My view is that as gay couples adopting children becomes more and more popular, it would no longer seem strange, it would be classed as normal and, thus, wouldn't be a reason for bullying

I'm all for gay marriage and gay adoption, I support it and am always outraged when I come across someone who isn't. My mechanic is a homophobic prick and I can't stand to look at him. Discrimination is sad and pathetic and now I'm ranting so I'll shut up
Marriage is more of an legal thing rather than a religious thing anymore,anyway its more about saying "you and no-one else" to your spouse.And i wouldn't say Religion is anti-homo sexual,i can imagine Dawkins getting more up set about homo's than any hindu.
 

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silverhawk100 said:
Let's see, gays in pop culture...

Gay men are campy effeminate queens who do hair and makeup and nails or... well Will and Grace.
Lesbians are either leather-wearing bull-dykes with short haircuts or are young and just doing it for the attention.
Bisexual Women are either slutty attention-whores or evil manipulative bitches who are out to destroy everything you hold dear.
Bisexual Men don't exist.
Ditto with Transmen.
Transwomen are horrible abominations out to trick you into being gay... unless they've got both boobs and vagina, then its ok.

And finally, they are all usually minor side-characters. Almost always played for comedy. If they are major characters, they're villains (see Bisexual women).

I'm not giving you examples because... because I'm lazy, but these are the conclusions you'll come to after looking at the material. Look for Katy Perry's "I kissed a girl," Will and Grace, I think there was a Family Guy joke or two about a transwoman and Quagmire (which pretty well sums up their exposure). TV tropes on bisexuality will yield you examples on Bi women, and you won't find anything on Bi Men or Transmen which yields you those conclusions.

re: The blood thing: This is a policy of the CDC's and not a law or something like that. It came about via AIDS in the 1980's when it infected the blood supply.
This and the rest of the tvtropes Queer as Tropes stuff. This is somewhat a mixed example, but you'll also find that as whitewashed as media is in general, gays are even more whitewashed.

In the U.S. it's actually the FDA who enforces the MSM blood ban. I know several organizations involved in transfusions are against lifetime bans, (AMA, American Red Cross, AABB (American Association of Blood Banks). Don't forget the "Magical Queer" trope or the fact that in media not aimed at gay audiences, you pretty much never actually hear about their sex life or relationships.
 

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You could play Persona 4 Kanji's character arc is a really good example of how some homosexuals have difficulty coming to terms with their identity.
Or if he doesn't have that long watch a let's play of the relevent parts.

Play it anyway though it's fucking brilliant.

I thought this before Extra Credits said so, I finished it about a year ago, didn't get the best ending though :(
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Step 1: Open a book
Step 2: Do your own damn work
Step3: ???
Step4: Profit

Why can't kids do their own work nowadays? When I was a kid we cheated with books instead of the internet...
Technology has usurped work ethic XD

If you ask me, your brother sounds like he's trying to tackle way too many giant issues for one paper. Unless this is a college thesis.