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The Ten Commandments (1956)

Cecil B. DeMille's 50's epic retelling, with some significant liberties, of the biblical story of Moses and the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt.

After watching Ben Hur last year on Easter I decided to watch Ten Commandments this year, both fixtures in the television rotation this time of the year to the point I've regularly seen individual scenes of both of them but never sat down to watch the entire 4 hour bricks at once.

It feels weird to talk critically about big, lavish "event movies" that were, originally, shown off in road shows with life orchestra's and, from a modern standpoint, hopelessly self indulgent performative flourishes like orchestral overtures and intermissions and, frankly, comically verbose narration which are all so overly showy that even Zack Snyder stops short of going all the way with them. These are not movies that you dit down and watch, they're movies you put on tv as background noise while occasionally glancing at them and telling your younger family members how they "don't make them like this anymore".

But I'm not here to poke fun at the movie. Listen, I'm a simple man. I see thousands of extras and hundreds of horses performing meticulously choreographed setpieces in front of monumental, city sized, pseudohistorical sets while hammy old Hollywood actors recite comically overwrought lines at each other in a stentorian tone, I soyface. Ten Commandments sure has a lot of that and it is an enjoyable watch for that alone. Again, I don't mean to sound smarmy, I do find it interesting and compelling to see how far film making can go in terms of pure scale.

Which is really the ironic part about it, you know. Something like Ten Commandments or Ben Hur is film making at its most elaborate and also at its most populist. These movies are old and long and expensive but they're not demanding cinema, they're actually quite easy to sit through if you have the time for them. Which I did, so let's talk about Ten Commandments not as a monument of film making based on one of the most important texts of abrahamitic belief, but as an actual work of narrative fiction, shall we?

So, I take it most people will be familiar with the broad strokes of this story. Moses, here played by Chuck Heston, is the son of Hebrew slaves in ancient Egypt left to float down the Nile after the pharaoh decides to purge the first born sons of all Hebrew slaves, gets adopted by the pharaoh's family, aspires to liberate the slaves, gets banished, talks to God and does finally return to liberate the enslaved Hebrews with God's help after which he leads them to safety and receives the titular ten commandments. It's basic. Archetypal, really. What this telling of it adds is some human drama between Moses's adopted brother Ramses (Yul Brynner of "show with everything but" fame) and love interest Nefretiri played by Anne Baxter (probably the most interesting character arc in the movie) that reads as somewhat extraneous but perfectly enjoyable cinematic embellishment.

I just don't think that taken on its own this story makes for a particularly good movie. It's in the nature of myths to become both exaggerated and simplified with time and a lot of this story just feels arbitrary if you treat it as is. See, I have a very ambivalent relationship to religion. I neither particularly believe in God nor in the absence of God, my stance is that I don't know and I distrust everyone who'd try to convince me they know. I do think that there is a great amount of wisdom to be found in religious scriptures but a movie like this doesn't serve as a very good medium for that because it boils down something very universal and applicable to something very literal. There is so much in there that clearly conveys a message on a symbolic level. Moses declining to rule and instead choosing to put himself in service of a greater purpose. The way the Hebrew people lost their way after Moses left to speak to God and had to be resigned back in by his commandments. I get it, there are very universal messages to all that and they're still intelligible but I don't think it makes for a great movie.

There's little wrong with it, execution wise. The costumes are gorgeous, if not very historically accurate (although the amount of Make-up on some of the women was comical). The sets, the direction, the dialogue, the acting it's all film making on a very high level. Gotta give Chuck Heston some credit here too. I mentioned when I wrote about Ben Hur that he looks nothing like a middle easterner, no one in this does. But you have got to respect that he actually manages to look like a holy man in the rather sketchy looking wig and fake beard he dons in the final act of the movie, rather than like a bad mall Santa.

I enjoyed it a good bit less than Ben Hur, that I'll also say. Ben Hur was a much more dynamic and for lack of a better word, "fun" movie to watch. More cinematic. More emotionally engaging. This is... an impressive effort. But it's much more impressive than it is actually enjoyable. It never quite taps into the emotional universality at the core of this story. I know this is going to sound like an empty criticism but this feels much more like a monument to a biblical tale than a retelling of it that can stand on its own merits. It's not that the scale and ambition of a movie like this is lost on me but I simply don't think it's a great or even particularly good movie.
 

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I just don't think that taken on its own this story makes for a particularly good movie. It's in the nature of myths to become both exaggerated and simplified with time and a lot of this story just feels arbitrary if you treat it as is. See, I have a very ambivalent relationship to religion. I neither particularly believe in God nor in the absence of God, my stance is that I don't know and I distrust everyone who'd try to convince me they know. I do think that there is a great amount of wisdom to be found in religious scriptures but a movie like this doesn't serve as a very good medium for that because it boils down something very universal and applicable to something very literal. There is so much in there that clearly conveys a message on a symbolic level. Moses declining to rule and instead choosing to put himself in service of a greater purpose. The way the Hebrew people lost their way after Moses left to speak to God and had to be resigned back in by his commandments. I get it, there are very universal messages to all that and they're still intelligible but I don't think it makes for a great movie.
Have you seen Seder-Masochism?
 

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The Ten Commandments (1956)

Cecil B. DeMille's 50's epic retelling, with some significant liberties, of the biblical story of Moses and the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt.

After watching Ben Hur last year on Easter I decided to watch Ten Commandments this year, both fixtures in the television rotation this time of the year to the point I've regularly seen individual scenes of both of them but never sat down to watch the entire 4 hour bricks at once.

It feels weird to talk critically about big, lavish "event movies" that were, originally, shown off in road shows with life orchestra's and, from a modern standpoint, hopelessly self indulgent performative flourishes like orchestral overtures and intermissions and, frankly, comically verbose narration which are all so overly showy that even Zack Snyder stops short of going all the way with them. These are not movies that you dit down and watch, they're movies you put on tv as background noise while occasionally glancing at them and telling your younger family members how they "don't make them like this anymore".

But I'm not here to poke fun at the movie. Listen, I'm a simple man. I see thousands of extras and hundreds of horses performing meticulously choreographed setpieces in front of monumental, city sized, pseudohistorical sets while hammy old Hollywood actors recite comically overwrought lines at each other in a stentorian tone, I soyface. Ten Commandments sure has a lot of that and it is an enjoyable watch for that alone. Again, I don't mean to sound smarmy, I do find it interesting and compelling to see how far film making can go in terms of pure scale.

Which is really the ironic part about it, you know. Something like Ten Commandments or Ben Hur is film making at its most elaborate and also at its most populist. These movies are old and long and expensive but they're not demanding cinema, they're actually quite easy to sit through if you have the time for them. Which I did, so let's talk about Ten Commandments not as a monument of film making based on one of the most important texts of abrahamitic belief, but as an actual work of narrative fiction, shall we?

So, I take it most people will be familiar with the broad strokes of this story. Moses, here played by Chuck Heston, is the son of Hebrew slaves in ancient Egypt left to float down the Nile after the pharaoh decides to purge the first born sons of all Hebrew slaves, gets adopted by the pharaoh's family, aspires to liberate the slaves, gets banished, talks to God and does finally return to liberate the enslaved Hebrews with God's help after which he leads them to safety and receives the titular ten commandments. It's basic. Archetypal, really. What this telling of it adds is some human drama between Moses's adopted brother Ramses (Yul Brynner of "show with everything but" fame) and love interest Nefretiri played by Anne Baxter (probably the most interesting character arc in the movie) that reads as somewhat extraneous but perfectly enjoyable cinematic embellishment.

I just don't think that taken on its own this story makes for a particularly good movie. It's in the nature of myths to become both exaggerated and simplified with time and a lot of this story just feels arbitrary if you treat it as is. See, I have a very ambivalent relationship to religion. I neither particularly believe in God nor in the absence of God, my stance is that I don't know and I distrust everyone who'd try to convince me they know. I do think that there is a great amount of wisdom to be found in religious scriptures but a movie like this doesn't serve as a very good medium for that because it boils down something very universal and applicable to something very literal. There is so much in there that clearly conveys a message on a symbolic level. Moses declining to rule and instead choosing to put himself in service of a greater purpose. The way the Hebrew people lost their way after Moses left to speak to God and had to be resigned back in by his commandments. I get it, there are very universal messages to all that and they're still intelligible but I don't think it makes for a great movie.

There's little wrong with it, execution wise. The costumes are gorgeous, if not very historically accurate (although the amount of Make-up on some of the women was comical). The sets, the direction, the dialogue, the acting it's all film making on a very high level. Gotta give Chuck Heston some credit here too. I mentioned when I wrote about Ben Hur that he looks nothing like a middle easterner, no one in this does. But you have got to respect that he actually manages to look like a holy man in the rather sketchy looking wig and fake beard he dons in the final act of the movie, rather than like a bad mall Santa.

I enjoyed it a good bit less than Ben Hur, that I'll also say. Ben Hur was a much more dynamic and for lack of a better word, "fun" movie to watch. More cinematic. More emotionally engaging. This is... an impressive effort. But it's much more impressive than it is actually enjoyable. It never quite taps into the emotional universality at the core of this story. I know this is going to sound like an empty criticism but this feels much more like a monument to a biblical tale than a retelling of it that can stand on its own merits. It's not that the scale and ambition of a movie like this is lost on me but I simply don't think it's a great or even particularly good movie.
I think The Ten Commandments is worth watching at least once just to see the bastard because it is, as you say, impressive as shit. Costuming, sets, the whole magilla.

But if you want an engaging portrayal of the story of Moses, I think Prince of Egypt is the better film to watch for the story. Songs and all.
 

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I think the one that hits hardest is when the judge threatens to hold Fletcher in contempt and he just screams back in utter self loathing: “I hold MYSELF in contempt, why should be any different?”
 

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I think the one that hits hardest is when the judge threatens to hold Fletcher in contempt and he just screams back in utter self loathing: “I hold MYSELF in contempt, why should be any different?”
That one, but also the one earlier in the movie. "I'm a bad father! I mean...I'm a bad father."

ETA: And without words, the look on his face when his son responds to saying that everyone lies with "But you're the only one who makes me feel bad."
 
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That one, but also the one earlier in the movie. "I'm a bad father! I mean...I'm a bad father."

ETA: And without words, the look on his face when his son responds to saying that everyone lies with "But you're the only one who makes me feel bad."
Yeah the movie is pretty masterful at its tonal transitions. Gut bustingly funny until it isn’t and you get punched in the heart.
 
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Novocaine: Dumb Fun / Great

Nate Caine, an amiable and sheepish assistant manager at a bank, has a rare genetic disorder that disallows him to feel pain. This has led him to to live a very sheltered life as what most would consider mundane could lead him to serious injury without him ever knowing. Until one day at lunch with a female coworker he's been crushing on for while where she invites him to risk some of life's simple pleasures, and she effectively throws open the doors of his life. Following a bank robbery, she is kidnapped, and Nate fearlessly pursues her captors. He gets... banged up along the way.

Really, really, REALLY dumb, but fun movie. Never mind not being able to feel pain, some of the shit Nate goes through is either severely incapacitating or lethal. And it's comically gory, lots of blood and violence which, when it's this over-the-top, I can generally stomach. Pop some popcorn, turn your brain off, and enjoy watching this human crash test dummy go for the girl.
 

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The second movie has better action but I'm very fond of how this one plays out like a cyberpunk slasher movie. It just has a certain grit to it, the second one's more of a typical action romp.

Although I do prefer Schwarzenegger as a hero than as a villain. I dunno, for how huge he is he still always comes off as a friendly Austrian farm boy.
 

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The second movie has better action but I'm very fond of how this one plays out like a cyberpunk slasher movie. It just has a certain grit to it, the second one's more of a typical action romp.

Although I do prefer Schwarzenegger as a hero than as a villain. I dunno, for how huge he is he still always comes off as a friendly Austrian farm boy.
Agree with the first paragraph 1000%. I love both movies but I'm the only I know IRL who likes the first more.
 

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Agree with the first paragraph 1000%. I love both movies but I'm the only I know IRL who likes the first more.
*raises hand* Right here, a second one.

I'll praise the sequel for maintaining that grim edge amidst all the spectacle, but the first movie just has that 80's schmutz. Also, the first movie doesn't have an overly happy ending version with Linda Hamilton in old age make-up - Who the hell thought that was ever a good idea to release?!
 

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The second movie has better action but I'm very fond of how this one plays out like a cyberpunk slasher movie. It just has a certain grit to it, the second one's more of a typical action romp.

Although I do prefer Schwarzenegger as a hero than as a villain. I dunno, for how huge he is he still always comes off as a friendly Austrian farm boy.
It's been a long time since I've seen the second one, so I don't know for sure how it will compare. All I will say is that literally the only thing holding back the score for me was that I felt the romance was too overplayed as a serious thing, like "lovers crossing through time" level of serious...and it also introduced a fair few more complications into the concept of time travel and stable time loops that didn't need to be made. If it had even been treated as just a casual fling, and they'd left it more implied that she got knocked up than flat-out confirming that Kyle Reese went back in time to conceive the man who would lead the resistance, including himself...

Basically, if either of those two elements had been more downplayed, easy 5 stars. But they weren't, and they had too much of an effect on the plot to overlook.
 

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