Discuss and Rate the Last Film You Watched
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Jason Isaacs is still one of my favorite Hooks. The movie itself is solid, albeit with one kind of cringey scene that goes on way too long, but Isaacs was a FANTASTIC choice for Captain Hook.
So, it's ok to mock Aquaman as long as people mock Poseidon as well? Um...why did he think Athens would appreciate a saltwater spring? Not wonder they went with Athena, an olive tree is much better.
More seriously, can't say that I'm that invested in DC characters, they tend to all be jokes, but Batman is at least sometimes funny.
Ok you want to go into thematic elements.
Normally in stage productions of Peter Pan, Hook is played by the same actor as Wendy's father.
As for Hook being in Neverland I've never dug too deeply into the themes round it but I've heard various stuff.
- Hook may be a former lost boy who grew up and returned
- On a metaphorical level Hook represents the idea of a grown up vs Peter Pan being the eternal child and the idea of neither really being the best state of being as fully adult Hook seems to hate everything / be scared or angry all the time while Peter Pan takes nothing seriously really.
- There's a claim Hook and all his crew are Lost Boys who tried to go back to the real world having been lost boys so long everyone they ever knew was gone
Was this before or after the comic where he developed a allergy to water for a while?
I would imagine before and after: during that comic or run I think they’d mostly be annoyed. And you say that like he’s the first hero to ever be given a stupid weakness or temporary issue.
yeh but the story arc was he was meant to be doing a sponsored swim............ yes really.
I'm aware of all that, it's just that it's missing from the Disney version. Like a lot of Disney stuff, it tones down the original story (another example being Ariel surviving The Little Mermaid).
As for Hook and his crew being Lost Boys, I actually like that idea. Still, I'm not sure it could apply to the Disney version. Again, it's more or less established that the crew were pirates in our world (see the Spanish Main reference), so taking things as writ, apparently the pirates sailed to Never Land, Hook lost his hand (come to think of it, was he called "Hook" before losing it?), and stayed there indefinitely. So they can't really be Lost Boys in this version.
Iron Sky: The Coming Race
Continuing the tradition started by the first film of being a sort of high quality B movie style thing Iron Sky The Coming Race follows on from the finale of the first film (thought don't worry you don't have to actually have seen it) to tell the story of the next generation and their struggles as the last of humanity lives inside the crumbling Nazi moonbase, some of them the children of the base residents or staff who weren't soldiers and were indoctrinated into thinking the Nazis were united the world to help heal it and the rest the refugees from earth who fled there on the last working space ship on earth due to the nuclear war.
Obi is the daughter of the two of the main characters from the first movie and works as the bases maintenance person trying to keep the crumbling systems working most of which have been patched over the years with the cannibalised remains of the last working earth space ship while frustrated by the worshipers of jobs who believe the holy Steve will some day return to help create the perfect closed system they see as some ideal state of being while those who stray from the closed system are killed by ex communication.
When a Nazi flying saucer suddenly shows up with more survivors from earth Obi ends up watching a cloaked figure go into a secret area of the base. Following him she finds it's the Nazi base commander from the first film who reveals he's a reptilian shapeshifter who can regenerate by consuming a special substance which he gives Obi some of the save her seriously ill dying mother. Going back to he commander Obi learns that the Earth is hollow and the rest of the shapeshifting lizard aliens live down there with more of the special substance contained inside a chalice that humanity has come to know as the Holy Grail. Humanity being an accidental result of one of the shapesifters going against the rest of his fellows to cause accelerated evolution in two monkeys by giving them a apple injected with the special substance. A the Lizard race doesn't have my member and while in hiding from the damage of a meteor impact they find humanity has started taking over the planet so try to infiltrate humanity to take positions of power to get humanity to destroy itself. Obi must got to Earth and enter the hollow earth to get the Holy Grail to use as a try and repair the last human space ship to try and look for a new home for humanity before the moonbase becomes unliveable or something critical breaks and can no longer be repaired.Her Quest complicated by members of the Jobs cult learning about the hollow earth and insisting they also come along for the ride.
I won't say more other than the climax of the film has Adolf Hitler riding a T-rex through the moonbase
Fun madness that's quite tongue in cheek and self aware.
Effects aren't Blockbuster level but they're far above B-movie or any of the junk The Asylum craps out. Think maybe some of the rougher Marvel movie effects level.
Overall worth watching even if not quite meeting the level of the first film as the novelty of the madness of it all isn't quite there still as it's a sequel to the film about Nazis from the moon so the bonkers stuff is more expected.
Continuing the tradition started by the first film of being a sort of high quality B movie style thing Iron Sky The Coming Race follows on from the finale of the first film (thought don't worry you don't have to actually have seen it) to tell the story of the next generation and their struggles as the last of humanity lives inside the crumbling Nazi moonbase, some of them the children of the base residents or staff who weren't soldiers and were indoctrinated into thinking the Nazis were united the world to help heal it and the rest the refugees from earth who fled there on the last working space ship on earth due to the nuclear war.
Obi is the daughter of the two of the main characters from the first movie and works as the bases maintenance person trying to keep the crumbling systems working most of which have been patched over the years with the cannibalised remains of the last working earth space ship while frustrated by the worshipers of jobs who believe the holy Steve will some day return to help create the perfect closed system they see as some ideal state of being while those who stray from the closed system are killed by ex communication.
When a Nazi flying saucer suddenly shows up with more survivors from earth Obi ends up watching a cloaked figure go into a secret area of the base. Following him she finds it's the Nazi base commander from the first film who reveals he's a reptilian shapeshifter who can regenerate by consuming a special substance which he gives Obi some of the save her seriously ill dying mother. Going back to he commander Obi learns that the Earth is hollow and the rest of the shapeshifting lizard aliens live down there with more of the special substance contained inside a chalice that humanity has come to know as the Holy Grail. Humanity being an accidental result of one of the shapesifters going against the rest of his fellows to cause accelerated evolution in two monkeys by giving them a apple injected with the special substance. A the Lizard race doesn't have my member and while in hiding from the damage of a meteor impact they find humanity has started taking over the planet so try to infiltrate humanity to take positions of power to get humanity to destroy itself. Obi must got to Earth and enter the hollow earth to get the Holy Grail to use as a try and repair the last human space ship to try and look for a new home for humanity before the moonbase becomes unliveable or something critical breaks and can no longer be repaired.Her Quest complicated by members of the Jobs cult learning about the hollow earth and insisting they also come along for the ride.
I won't say more other than the climax of the film has Adolf Hitler riding a T-rex through the moonbase
Fun madness that's quite tongue in cheek and self aware.
Effects aren't Blockbuster level but they're far above B-movie or any of the junk The Asylum craps out. Think maybe some of the rougher Marvel movie effects level.
Overall worth watching even if not quite meeting the level of the first film as the novelty of the madness of it all isn't quite there still as it's a sequel to the film about Nazis from the moon so the bonkers stuff is more expected.
Monster
A prostitute kills a rapist in self-defense, proceeds to rob and kill more men in order to fund a motel life for herself and her girlfriend. What's fucked up is that following the rapist, none of the "johns" ever really threaten her or do her any harm - she's just slaughtering them in cold blood for the cash, usually working up the rage with some bullshit rationalization ("You want me to call you daddy? You must be a child molester!"). The last guy she murders is just some poor old gramps who offers her a ride. I dunno. There's a sob story about her being abused as a child that's supposed to make you sympathise with her, but so what? All her victims had sob stories.
A prostitute kills a rapist in self-defense, proceeds to rob and kill more men in order to fund a motel life for herself and her girlfriend. What's fucked up is that following the rapist, none of the "johns" ever really threaten her or do her any harm - she's just slaughtering them in cold blood for the cash, usually working up the rage with some bullshit rationalization ("You want me to call you daddy? You must be a child molester!"). The last guy she murders is just some poor old gramps who offers her a ride. I dunno. There's a sob story about her being abused as a child that's supposed to make you sympathise with her, but so what? All her victims had sob stories.
I recently watched the remake of Flatliners.
Flatliners (2017) 4/10
I was just enough of a fan of the original that seeing the remake was soon to no longer be on... Tubi?... Crackle? Wherever, it was coming off of some service I was browsing. I decided to give it a shot. Four out of ten is probably harsher than it deserves, because it does something amazing... but that thing is something no one should care about. It is actually as faithful to the original as it needs to be... while actually making changes here and there that improve the story as a whole. Its actually incredible. They found the fabled remake "sweet spot." A true homage to the original, while acknowledging and correcting some of the original's weak spots. The problem is, they used the exact same formula to make the remake... and wound up getting almost exactly the same result. Which was a resounding "nah" from critics and "meh" from general audiences. And that is exactly what it deserves, which is terrible. If other remakes managed to do what Flatliners did, they could be AMAZING movies in their own right.
But that's the problem with remaking movies. If its a great movie, it doesn't need a remake... just watch the classic. And if its just a "meh" movie... why are you bothering to remake it in the first place? Maybe the original Flatliners was right in that spot where it was just between those levels. It didn't reach the level of a movie that "doesn't need" a remake, but was just slightly better than a movie that "didn't deserve" a remake. Seriously, movies in that mid-range might be the best remakes Hollywood could possibly crank out... but I think that means they will be at best mediocre.
Specifics, well... like the first one it has a surprisingly capable cast. The Kevin Bacon part went to Diego Luna, who did a great job with the material. The Keifer Sutherland part went to Elliot Paige, who was good as well. All in all between actors who were better than their predecessors and those who were worse... it kind of evened out. Meaning overall it had a very capable cast. Good nods to the original, while correcting the fact that defibrillation isn't actually just an on off switch for the heart. They effectively ramp up the stakes (someone even dies... and stays dead which I always maintain is something the original SHOULD have done) but somehow that doesn't try to backhandedly diminish what the story was in the original. All in all, I didn't have many problems with it, other than the realization that I wasn't ever going to be any more enthusiastic than "that wasn't awful."
In the end, "awful" may have been more entertaining. Still, I'm waiting for the Hudson Hawk remake with... what Tobey Mcguire and Harry Connick Jr.?
Flatliners (2017) 4/10
I was just enough of a fan of the original that seeing the remake was soon to no longer be on... Tubi?... Crackle? Wherever, it was coming off of some service I was browsing. I decided to give it a shot. Four out of ten is probably harsher than it deserves, because it does something amazing... but that thing is something no one should care about. It is actually as faithful to the original as it needs to be... while actually making changes here and there that improve the story as a whole. Its actually incredible. They found the fabled remake "sweet spot." A true homage to the original, while acknowledging and correcting some of the original's weak spots. The problem is, they used the exact same formula to make the remake... and wound up getting almost exactly the same result. Which was a resounding "nah" from critics and "meh" from general audiences. And that is exactly what it deserves, which is terrible. If other remakes managed to do what Flatliners did, they could be AMAZING movies in their own right.
But that's the problem with remaking movies. If its a great movie, it doesn't need a remake... just watch the classic. And if its just a "meh" movie... why are you bothering to remake it in the first place? Maybe the original Flatliners was right in that spot where it was just between those levels. It didn't reach the level of a movie that "doesn't need" a remake, but was just slightly better than a movie that "didn't deserve" a remake. Seriously, movies in that mid-range might be the best remakes Hollywood could possibly crank out... but I think that means they will be at best mediocre.
Specifics, well... like the first one it has a surprisingly capable cast. The Kevin Bacon part went to Diego Luna, who did a great job with the material. The Keifer Sutherland part went to Elliot Paige, who was good as well. All in all between actors who were better than their predecessors and those who were worse... it kind of evened out. Meaning overall it had a very capable cast. Good nods to the original, while correcting the fact that defibrillation isn't actually just an on off switch for the heart. They effectively ramp up the stakes (someone even dies... and stays dead which I always maintain is something the original SHOULD have done) but somehow that doesn't try to backhandedly diminish what the story was in the original. All in all, I didn't have many problems with it, other than the realization that I wasn't ever going to be any more enthusiastic than "that wasn't awful."
In the end, "awful" may have been more entertaining. Still, I'm waiting for the Hudson Hawk remake with... what Tobey Mcguire and Harry Connick Jr.?
Interestingly enough, a podcast I listen to "God Awful Movies" where a group of atheists review and mock religious based films, will be doing the original Flatliners on next weeks episode. I'm looking forward to that.
Not seem the film myself, but that seems a little bit of a strange casting choice.
She had my sympathy up until the second murder, when she starts killing just for the money. After that she can go fuck herself. Hell of a performance and "character study" but man, enough good people die unsung that I need to give a shit about murderous fucks.
In real life it was never even in self defense.
Its not really a 1-1 comparison in parts. Paige's character is the one obsessed with death and the architect of the experiment, but has at least one scene where the parallel is with Julia Roberts' character in the first one. Robert's character really doesn't have a good 1-1 comparison with any 1 character in the 2017 version, seemingly having that part kind of split with one character and the other added to a character that's also about half of the Oliver Platt character. As far as character traits and personalities from the original movie go, its all there... just mixed up between the new characters. And that's not to the new one's detriment... for the most part the characters work just fine. Some dumb decisions from a couple of them... but without dumb decisions, we wouldn't have any movies.
Was there a religious element to the first one? I never really categorized that movie as particularly religious. Wasn't any religious connection more implied than stated? Oh well, no harm done mocking Flatliners either way. Plenty of material to work with.
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One of the things I liked about the original film, was the story of Julia Roberts' character, and what the reality was about her visitation. It was an interesting reversal. That the spirit that was visiting her, wasn't a sin from her past that she had to atone for, but a spirit that felt THEY needed to atone TO HER. She wasn't being tortured, she was seeing her father torturing himself with his guilt on how he failed as a father (at least in his ghost's mind). So SHE brought HIM absolution, by basically pulling him out from his own hell, visualized by the lighting changing from the reddish hellscape, to a bright white when they hug and he says he's sorry. It felt similar to What Dreams May Come, when Robin brings his wife out of her own hell pocket with love. So that was an interesting little twist.
Stowaway. Three people aboard a space ship heading to mars discover there is a fourth passenger but they only have oxygen for 3. What follows is the unavoidable 'difficult decision' and some genuinely nerve wrecking scenes.
I really enjoyed this movie. The movie proves space is scary enough you don't need monsters or large spectacle. Just people drifting through the eternal void of outer space with shit going wrong in their little tin can. Some reviews I read called this movie slow paced and boring but I got the opposite from it. The lack of stimulation is what makes space..well space. Monsters or lots of stimulation makes space not scary anymore because it makes it 'human'. Unless it's done really well like in Alien but even here it's more about the atmosphere and build up. Not that I don't enjoy movies with aliens or eldritch horrors but it doesn't bring out the deep existential dread that is the cold indifference of space. You know, the actual reality of the situation.
But anyways, beautiful space cinematogrophy is key in a movie like this and it certainly delivered. The characters also felt like the kind of people you'd find aboard the ISS or something. I was totally sold on the premise. It's a slow burn for sure but a thoroughly enjoyable one.
I really enjoyed this movie. The movie proves space is scary enough you don't need monsters or large spectacle. Just people drifting through the eternal void of outer space with shit going wrong in their little tin can. Some reviews I read called this movie slow paced and boring but I got the opposite from it. The lack of stimulation is what makes space..well space. Monsters or lots of stimulation makes space not scary anymore because it makes it 'human'. Unless it's done really well like in Alien but even here it's more about the atmosphere and build up. Not that I don't enjoy movies with aliens or eldritch horrors but it doesn't bring out the deep existential dread that is the cold indifference of space. You know, the actual reality of the situation.
But anyways, beautiful space cinematogrophy is key in a movie like this and it certainly delivered. The characters also felt like the kind of people you'd find aboard the ISS or something. I was totally sold on the premise. It's a slow burn for sure but a thoroughly enjoyable one.
Well, the new one does miss out on Julia's character's backstory. They do an updated version of the Baldwin sex one, and Bacon's character bullying one. But there isn't anything like Julia's one and (to my mind just as much a mistake) none of the ghosts were flat out murder victims like Billy Mahoney. Which was a failing, they raised the stakes of the original in a lot of ways, including consequences... but none of the new med students were trying to atone for murder like Sutherland's character was. Kiefer Sutherland was the only actor returning for the reboot. He was not credited as his original character, but apparently a deleted scene reveals he was the same character after having changed his name.