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Casual Shinji

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It's the kind of movie i can totally see Ryan Reynolds being attached too. And at the same time, i'm perplexed about Taika Waititi being in it at the same time.
It's certainly the least charming I've seen Taika Waititi be in a movie. I know he's supposed to be playing the douchebag, but it was cringey watching him deliver those lines.
 
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A few to get through, so will try to be brief as to avoid wall of waffle text.

No Sudden Move (NowTV or Sky)
Pretty great mystery heist thriller with a unique yet classic style. Glad to see Brendan Fraser back in work, slow blinking as a tactical accentuation. Wondering what the intention behind the fish-eye lens throughout is though: to mimic old CRT televisions maybe? Don Cheadle steals the show as is deserved.

WW84 (NowTV or Sky again)
Took a bit of adjusting at first, as it was clearly aiming for the original Superman films' cheery charm, which did not seem to gel with my personal depressive tendencies. But once the characters grew clearer and more pronounced, it got me invested and even smiling: which could be linked to the cocktail of chemicals and booze swimming around the system at the time, though previous such experiences have failed to provide similar emotions. There's always issues regarding consent when any fiction tackles wish fulfilment, so no surprises h....CHABUDDY G??? Wtaf are you doing in this movie???



"Obscure pick for an American superhero movie" is an understatement. Though he gets hardly even a passing line, his specific fame is from London cult comedy People Just Do Nothing and afaik nowt much else. This is the very last place I expected to see Asim Chaudhry pop up next! 10/10 for this alone.

Judas and the Black Messiah (NowTV...ok, I admit they offered a month for a quid, so I lapped it up like the cheapskate I truly am)
Even aside the political importance of this true story to appreciate, this is a film with precision weight and visible texture to every scene. The actions of the FBI in regards to the Black Panther movement is no secret by now, but this focuses on a specific informant caught in an ever-spiraling trap fated towards a messily politically-engineered tragedy. A rare example of minimal flaws with maximum emotional heft and unfortunately continuous relevance to this day. All cast involved are great, Daniel Kaluuya continues to impress, even Jesse Plemons who seems to be leaning heavily into his "bad vibes" persona a lot with every prominent role where it may be too late to escape such typecasting by this point. Hard not to recommend.
 
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WW84 (NowTV or Sky again)
Took a bit of adjusting at first, as it was clearly aiming for the original Superman films' cheery charm, which did not seem to gel with my personal depressive tendencies. But once the characters grew clearer and more pronounced, it got me invested and even smiling: which could be linked to the cocktail of chemicals and booze swimming around the system at the time, though previous such experiences have failed to provide similar emotions. There's always issues regarding consent when any fiction tackles wish fulfilment, so no surprises h....CHABUDDY G??? Wtaf are you doing in this movie???
WW84 was also inspired by Superman 3, particularly the S3 opening compared to the mall scene. I watched it on HBOMAX and yes there is a ton to criticize. But in this culture of war on men, it was such a joy and relief to have Steve Trevor portrayed as a competent, brave man. The action scene at the White House was about as much fun as I've had watching an action scene in a long time. Dianne is portrayed as both beautiful and lovely (even though she has a Spiderman like conflict ie when do I have a turn to pursuit my happiness?). My wife over-heard me say to my daughter I didn't think a fighter jet could cross the globe on one fuel tank and she yelled at me saying to just stop critiquing and enjoy, so I did. Glad you were able to get into it as well.
 
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I saw No Time To Die. I love it and it's high up there with Casino Royale. I've heard some people complain that main villain is "too generic", but those criticizing that weren't paying much attention. The dude with the scarred face was definitely a fitting villain for the movie.

Rest in peace Blonde Bond. You had an overall great run. I never thought the grand finale would end this way. Best of luck to Mr. Daniel Craig and do whatever makes you happy. It's been a wonderful 15 years.
 
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I saw No Time To Die. I love it and it's high up there with Casino Royale. I've heard some people complain that main villain is "too generic", but those criticizing that weren't paying much attention. The dude with the scarred face was definitely a fitting villain for the movie.

Rest in peace Blonde Bond. You had an overall great run. I never thought the grand finale would end this way. Best of luck to Mr. Daniel Craig and do whatever makes you happy. It's been a wonderful 15 years.
This movie partially ripped off a Metal Gear Solid 1's plot point. The evil bad guy weapon is straight up fucking FOXDIE!!!! This is the most video gamey plot and action sequences I've seen in this entire movie
 
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This movie partially ripped off a Metal Gear Solid 1's plot point. The evil bad guy weapon is straight up fucking FOXDIE!!!! This is the most video gamey plot and action sequences I've seen in this entire movie
I noticed. They used FOXDIE from Metal Gear Sold! I sure hope Kojima doesn't sue. Given how big of an action movie fan he is, I highly doubt it though. He'll see Project Heracles as a compliment. Besides, he's copied Bond more than once.
 

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Just got back from No Time To Die. I liked it. Unironically, I thought it was a real good swan song to the Daniel Craig Bond. It was a little confusing and hard to follow, and had the same problem Shang Chi had where I was like "Okay, how many secret shadow organizations running everything are there?!" Im still not sure who the bad guy was; he was like the son of a Russian mobster, and had access to a secret doom fortress and hundreds of goons and workers, and I was like How? When? Where? Why? You bought an contested island in the south china sea that has an abandoned Russian missile silo, and spent decades building the infrastructure to create a super virus and...and the world just let you? Its like the floating doom fortress in Black Widow; lots of people had to have been asleep at the wheel to not notice.
And the ending is pretty definitive, so I guess they're retiring the Bond character for awhile. Maybe he doesn't play as well in the #Metoo era. But I can see why Daniel Craig came back for this one, and I hope he got to keep one of the cars.
 
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So, a couple of weeks ago I rewatched the Lego Movie and Part 2 back-to-back and I they are still very good movies (the first moreso than the second but that shouldn't surprise anyone). The first is probably the most densely packed comedy that I've seen since Airplane! and it's a fun visual treat to watch, what with all the physical comedy and the brilliant move by the filmmakers to make as much of the movie world made from the actual bricks in the title (something I wish the various Lego-themed games had done but I digress), 10/10.

Part 2 (like I've said before) is also pretty good, but suffers from the major missteps of A) the weird "we need to make this like a Disney musical because money" and B) the movie already has the cat out of the bag with the whole "this is just a kids game", but makes it muddier by having two different kids playing separate games but using the same characters, and then further complicates it with the whole is Rex actually a separate entity from the kids imagination twist that kind of feels out of place in the sequel to The Lego Movie. I do like the Queen's first song though, as it has some rather humorous lyrics, plays as a punchline later, and the idea to make a shapeshifter character out of lego was a real cool move. 7/10

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I dunno if you dig down into 2 it's really not great on a thematic level and more relies on understanding larger trends in film and media for some of the themes and ideas to pay off and worse then you dig in more said themes and ideas then also come off and hypocritical too.

If you take The Lego Movie 1 as a sort of shot at the adult businessman Lego collector type going "This is a kid toy it's meant to be about fun too don't forget that".
Well The Lego Movie Part 2 was weirdly more a shot at attitudes seemingly in the Lego corporation itself but in a very awkward way and actually a way that comes off as just following certain Hollywood trends. I don't want to go into it too much more unless you really want me to but suffice to say look at who are the heroes and who are the villains.
(I didn't forget, I'm just really lazy);
But Part 1 isn't a shot at the father (at least, not in that way), it even goes out of it's way to say "what you did is cool and inspiring", it's just that it continues on to say that so is all this other stuff that the kid made, because that is the real message of the film: that anyone is capable of doing awesome things and that other forms of expression are just as valid as the ones you use. The most it digs into the father is that he was being a bit too harsh towards his son in regards to his legos, especially since the kid is clearly just following in his footsteps.

And I'll be honest, I (kind of) don't have a clue what you are talking about in regards to Part 2. It's main theme is basically just a play on that one C.S. Lewis quote about putting away the childish fear of feeling childish, with a splash of Part 1's theme again as the kid has basically the same arc as his father did last time. Plus, I would argue that Part 2 doesn't have a villain,
as Rex comes off more tragic than villainous. He isn't trying to wreck things because they're girly or pink or something, but because he can't get over his feelings of loss and abandonment by his friends after failing to rescue them. And, to tie back into the earlier theme about childish things, you'll notice how Rex keeps posturing himself as the cool adult, but in the end can't deal with his emotions like an adult and resorts to smashing things like an actual child. In the end, he is just happy that someone cared enough to come back and save Emmet from the same fate and even gets a nice, quiet, Back To The Future death.
 

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So, a couple of weeks ago I rewatched the Lego Movie and Part 2 back-to-back and I they are still very good movies (the first moreso than the second but that shouldn't surprise anyone). The first is probably the most densely packed comedy that I've seen since Airplane! and it's a fun visual treat to watch, what with all the physical comedy and the brilliant move by the filmmakers to make as much of the movie world made from the actual bricks in the title (something I wish the various Lego-themed games had done but I digress), 10/10.

Part 2 (like I've said before) is also pretty good, but suffers from the major missteps of A) the weird "we need to make this like a Disney musical because money" and B) the movie already has the cat out of the bag with the whole "this is just a kids game", but makes it muddier by having two different kids playing separate games but using the same characters, and then further complicates it with the whole is Rex actually a separate entity from the kids imagination twist that kind of feels out of place in the sequel to The Lego Movie. I do like the Queen's first song though, as it has some rather humorous lyrics, plays as a punchline later, and the idea to make a shapeshifter character out of lego was a real cool move. 7/10

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(I didn't forget, I'm just really lazy);
But Part 1 isn't a shot at the father (at least, not in that way), it even goes out of it's way to say "what you did is cool and inspiring", it's just that it continues on to say that so is all this other stuff that the kid made, because that is the real message of the film: that anyone is capable of doing awesome things and that other forms of expression are just as valid as the ones you use. The most it digs into the father is that he was being a bit too harsh towards his son in regards to his legos, especially since the kid is clearly just following in his footsteps.

And I'll be honest, I (kind of) don't have a clue what you are talking about in regards to Part 2. It's main theme is basically just a play on that one C.S. Lewis quote about putting away the childish fear of feeling childish, with a splash of Part 1's theme again as the kid has basically the same arc as his father did last time. Plus, I would argue that Part 2 doesn't have a villain,
as Rex comes off more tragic than villainous. He isn't trying to wreck things because they're girly or pink or something, but because he can't get over his feelings of loss and abandonment by his friends after failing to rescue them. And, to tie back into the earlier theme about childish things, you'll notice how Rex keeps posturing himself as the cool adult, but in the end can't deal with his emotions like an adult and resorts to smashing things like an actual child. In the end, he is just happy that someone cared enough to come back and save Emmet from the same fate and even gets a nice, quiet, Back To The Future death.
Ok so part of part 1 is that the Dad is buying the models as his thing then gluing them together permanently and the film was in part objecting to the idea of fans of Lego who buy these things as pristine models (something Lego has been leaning into somewhat with premium priced sort of sculpture stuff) while also taking shots at the Lego corporation itself with who employ people called Master Builders to come up with their designs (Lord Business is seen hooking up the Maser Builders to his machine to get them to design his stuff).


With Part 2 I'll put this is spoilers.
Part of the cultural commentary around Lego including from everyone's favourite internet lady was objections to Lego going too "Macho" with it's sets and because they're not the good old non violent toys and they're seen as encouraging macho-ism and it's contributing to Toxic Masculinity. That's why Rex Dangervest as you pointed out doesn't seem to make sense or fit in very well, the guy is literally meant to be representing the idea of Toxic Masculinity but because of how Toxic Masculinity has become worryingly conflated with regular sort of Macho stuff it's why Rex Dangervest is showed as a sort of macho hero type initially before revealing him as the villain as such. Part of the stuff with Queen Watevera Wa'Nabi and her world being a subversion of the trope that a villain is sometimes feminised in media as some villain signifier (I personally can't think of too many example of this other than in The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword though) and the entire point of that stuff was to subvert the trope that the feminine isn't evil. The films theme or message ends up being Macho = bad but Effeminate = good with it portraying the more Macho side of lego (as shown by Rex Dangervest and the supposed things he's done like raptor trainer etc) and villainous and literally erasing their embodiment at the end of the film while the world is only saved by embracing the more feminine Lego sets (yes Lego does a range / ranges more aimed at girls).

It's kind of part of a larger trend or attempt to overcorrect in media where stereotypically Macho characters are villains because of the cultural push that all the worlds problems are down in part to Toxic masculinity and a push from some sections that the new "Good man" is not the guy who stands up to be counted and punches the villain but the guy who talks the villain down to make peace or the woman who kicks the toxic male characters ass. See as an example of Toxic man bad most of the Ghostbusters 2016 film where they shoot the villain in the crotch at the end. Or the push claiming (though incorrectly claiming it) that Mad Max Fury Road was about taking down the patriarchy and how feminism saves the day.
 

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No Time To Die: I Saw It / I Hadn't Previously

I'll be honest, the Daniel Craig Bond films suffer from the same thing the MCU films have: they are so stunningly the same, they've become a fine puree in my mind. I can't tell you anything about any Bond movie because I can't recall which Bond movie I actually saw it in, like trying to recall a specific oat in your bowl of oatmeal. It's more Bond. There are guns, car chases, impossible stunts, explosions, a romantic interest, then there are credits. That said, it was entirely unremarkable. Granted, I'm not a huge fan of ANY Bond films, so take my opinion with a tablespoon of salt.
 

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Just couldn't get into it. Movie can't decide between horror and comedy, often tries to do both at the same time, and neither (in my opinion) goes super well with the epic grandiosity in tone/style/significance the movie's clearly shooting for. It's a demon clown from space Andy, you're not making Lawrence of Arabia.
 

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Just couldn't get into it. Movie can't decide between horror and comedy, often tries to do both at the same time, and neither (in my opinion) goes super well with the epic grandiosity in tone/style/significance the movie's clearly shooting for. It's a demon clown from space Andy, you're not making Lawrence of Arabia.
Agreed. It was so tonally all over the place, it was hard to take it seriously as the most recent installment of an iconic horror franchise. I've not read the book, so not sure how closely it adhered to the canon, but I DO know by the end, I was just ready for it to be over. Not the worst movie I've ever seen, but certainly not what I paid to watch when I was expecting a horror movie. Classic case of being so much of so many things, it wasn't enough of enough of them.

EDIT: given it's only a miniseries from the '90s and a film from 2017, I can't really call it a "franchise." It's a handful of cinematic adaptations of a book, though the most recent would have you believe it's something else. They just need to decided if they're going for horror, comedy or action and stick to the plan, because the minute-by-minute change up isn't working for me. I'll probably watch the next It film if there's to be one, but my expectations are tempered down to the "just don't completely suck" level.
 
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Dune (2021)

In IMAX no less. I didn't go to an IMAX screening since Joker. I haven't read the book so with only the Lynch movie to go by I was surprised how similar the plot was (some of the weirder or sillier stuff I would've assumed was Lynch's doing) yet how infinitely clearer the Villeneuve movie is. It's also very slow and very deliberate: it's longer than Lynch's movie yet somehow covers less plot, ending at the halfway point or so. Gotta say I felt a bit scammed as soon as Dune: Part One appeared as the title. But nobody will say the 1984 version wasn't rushed as hell towards the end. Or that it was very good to begin with.

Visually it's a spectacle, sound, Hans Zimmer's bwaaaaam score, etc. I will say I doubt the movie's gonna connect with younger audiences though, and anybody who mistakes it for YA is gonna be disappointed. Paul is too passive a character, and the fiercely religious narrative and mystical tone don't play as well as uncomplicated bargain bin action adventure these days I think.
 

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Ok so part of part 1 is that the Dad is buying the models as his thing then gluing them together permanently and the film was in part objecting to the idea of fans of Lego who buy these things as pristine models (something Lego has been leaning into somewhat with premium priced sort of sculpture stuff) while also taking shots at the Lego corporation itself with who employ people called Master Builders to come up with their designs (Lord Business is seen hooking up the Maser Builders to his machine to get them to design his stuff).
But that's not what the father is doing though. The only models that are straight out of the box are basically only a few of the cars (the most obvious one being the blue cement mixer), everything else we see was the product of the father's imagination. Plus, the film isn't objecting to him gluing the stuff out of some sort of 'the bricks need to be free man', but rather the fact that it is entirely in response to his son constantly playing with (and 'ruining') his stuff.

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Ok, so I kind of had a hunch that this is where this would go, but goodness...
So first of all, that is not at all what I meant about Rex not working out too well. My point was, that in a film that can't decide whether we are operating on Where The Wild Things Are child imagination rules or just straight up Toy Story with sentient brick people, they decided to make him an evil version of Emmet from an alternate timeline who time travels back to ruin things. It's the sequel to the Lego Movie, not Total Recall. The movie isn't about fem vs macho or some shit, as the Queen and them aren't framed as such, but rather as alien invaders draining the world of resources and people as an 'imagination' stand in for the real world little sister growing her own lego collection from the basement like the son did. I mean, the first we see of the Queen is as a terrifying shapeshifter before going into an entire song about how she totally isn't going to have them and their friends tortured and killed, because she definitely isn't evil.
 

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And I guess that having chiseled features previously hidden underneath baby fat is one of the 'macho' qualities of lego...you do realize, don't you, that that was a jokey reference to Pratt's career, right? He's a cowboy, a 'galaxy defender' and a raptor trainer, I mean come on man, could not have been more obvious. And yes, I did know that lego has a line for girls and you know, without having seen any of the actual arguments put forth by anyone, I can quickly see that this would be the problem right there: not that lego is too 'macho', but that there is a clear line in the sand between 'lego' and 'lego for girls, with malls and shopping and boys and stuff'. But hey, what do I know?
 

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Okay, since I want to make up for so much Lego Movie talk, recently watched the original Assault On Precinct 13, and I thought it was pretty good. The gang is little more than zombies and have, in total throughout the entire gang, have about five lines of dialog between them, but I think it still works. Plus, I've come to notice that John Carpenter is just such a master of getting maximum tension from the simplest shots;
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But that's not what the father is doing though. The only models that are straight out of the box are basically only a few of the cars (the most obvious one being the blue cement mixer), everything else we see was the product of the father's imagination. Plus, the film isn't objecting to him gluing the stuff out of some sort of 'the bricks need to be free man', but rather the fact that it is entirely in response to his son constantly playing with (and 'ruining') his stuff.
No really that's the whole stuff with Emmet and the plans is about and why he builds following the plans initially. Most of the Lego stuff with the Dad is meant to be based on sets. The near identical town sets the Western Saloon set and environment etc etc

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Ok, so I kind of had a hunch that this is where this would go, but goodness...
So first of all, that is not at all what I meant about Rex not working out too well. My point was, that in a film that can't decide whether we are operating on Where The Wild Things Are child imagination rules or just straight up Toy Story with sentient brick people, they decided to make him an evil version of Emmet from an alternate timeline who time travels back to ruin things. It's the sequel to the Lego Movie, not Total Recall. The movie isn't about fem vs macho or some shit, as the Queen and them aren't framed as such, but rather as alien invaders draining the world of resources and people as an 'imagination' stand in for the real world little sister growing her own lego collection from the basement like the son did. I mean, the first we see of the Queen is as a terrifying shapeshifter before going into an entire song about how she totally isn't going to have them and their friends tortured and killed, because she definitely isn't evil.
Well with Rex on the logic. Rex is there to be a thematic prop for the film as a whole rather than make sense in the universe. That's why he doesn't make sense and fit in because the film was more interested in the message than the logistics of it. I mean at the time I think the PewDiePe "Bro fist" was still and thing and by a strange co-incidence Rex's space ship is a giant fist.

It's funny you bring up Toy Story because while that's somewhat clear about the toys being sentient the weird thing being with that film it's playing out an alternative history almost based on Andy's relationship with his parents. Woody = His dad, Bo Peep = Whom his dad is now seeing. Jesse in films 2 represents his mother and Buzz represents his new father figure (this is my theory based in part on the "Where's Andy's Dad" theory that is out there).

On the Fem vs Macho thing, yes it's a sequel to the Lego movie but kinds movies can have a number of layers to them and the first Lego movie managed to have the layer about the father son relationship etc going on and literally referencing the Lego company itself with hiring the Master Builders to farm ideas from which I doubt many kids would really get that whole thing on the level of "Lord Business is a character in part designed to take a shot at Lego as a corporation itself". Also I'd argue the alien invaders are framed more feminine after the initial invasion. I mean the whole pop music light pastel colours characters playing house in suburbia, part of the literal story is about planning an elaborate wedding for the Queen after she's seduced the Wealth Batchelor (pun intended) and well if that doesn't smell like a cheesy romance novel plotline I dunno what does. The whole monster and song stuff is part of the kind of weird thing of trying to frame feminine as evil because that's what other films do so they had to build up the queen or make her seem evil to pull of that kind of subversion as such.
 

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And I guess that having chiseled features previously hidden underneath baby fat is one of the 'macho' qualities of lego...you do realize, don't you, that that was a jokey reference to Pratt's career, right? He's a cowboy, a 'galaxy defender' and a raptor trainer, I mean come on man, could not have been more obvious. And yes, I did know that lego has a line for girls and you know, without having seen any of the actual arguments put forth by anyone, I can quickly see that this would be the problem right there: not that lego is too 'macho', but that there is a clear line in the sand between 'lego' and 'lego for girls, with malls and shopping and boys and stuff'. But hey, what do I know?
It happens, to carry on

Yes it's a reference to Pratt's career but also somewhat referencing actual sets seen as too macho

Here's something from before the Lego Movie part 2 or even part 1 that got passed round the internet

Also here's the longer Anita Sarkeesian argument

Worth pointing out Anita herself points out Lego was in it's default state getting more boys playing with it so part of the change was to get more girls playing with it by making a line for girls and then Lego diverged into 3 basically the more Macho Lego stuff with Ninja's and Pirates and Police officers with stubble; the Lego range aimed more at girls with softer pastel colours and playing house stuff and the more Neutral Lego of basic houses and vehicles and what it was initially.
 

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Just couldn't get into it. Movie can't decide between horror and comedy, often tries to do both at the same time, and neither (in my opinion) goes super well with the epic grandiosity in tone/style/significance the movie's clearly shooting for. It's a demon clown from space Andy, you're not making Lawrence of Arabia.
Got to wonder if it is unfilmable. Part 1 in the 1990s was fantastic. Part 2 just as much of a mess. Maybe even more so.