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The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (3/5)

However, how this translates into a refugee crisis and a shifting of borders doesn't make sense, and the show never takes the time to explain how it does. In fact, what we see on the show contradicts the notion of borders shifting because every map we see, whether it be of Europe, or the border of Libya/Tunisia, seems to be the same as in our world. Every flag we see for the GRC is a real-world flag, and if Madripor is a new nation that sprung up, that's never explained. I mean, I get why the show went this route (refugees are a real-world issue), but it doesn't work via analogy, and it doesn't work in-universe.
I guess this is a thing of them not wanting to literally rewrite the world in their fictional show. So, for visual purposes, you leave all the borders the same, so that when you toss up a 2 second graphic of a globe, everyone gets the information that you wanted them to get anyway (this is X country). If you suddenly redraw all the lines, it makes showing the audience a map of the world, a very confusing thing, that frankly will take up too much time in your show.

As to how it would be a refugee crisis, honestly that I find totally believable. If 50% of the population just vanished in a second, the complete breakdown of most infrastructure, globally, would strand lots of people. They would find themselves in an area that is completely incapable of sustaining them, because there is no way to provide the resources, to the people in question. Industries would start to break down within days, without regular maintenance, infrastructure like roads and pipes would start having problems. There was actually a show I recall seeing many years ago, on either History Channel (before it was pseudoscience BS), or Discovery, about what would happen to the world if humans just vanished. And it was basically "The Snap" but 100% instead of 50%. And a LOT of chaotic shit would happen within the first few days/weeks, without constant upkeep. So the idea that a massive humanitarian problem would arise, as the population contracted and reconsolidated, and had to abandon entire regions of the world, leaving them in ruin for 5 years, seems entirely plausible to me. And then, having all of those people dumped back onto society 5 years later, would cause huge problems.
 
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I guess this is a thing of them not wanting to literally rewrite the world in their fictional show. So, for visual purposes, you leave all the borders the same, so that when you toss up a 2 second graphic of a globe, everyone gets the information that you wanted them to get anyway (this is X country). If you suddenly redraw all the lines, it makes showing the audience a map of the world, a very confusing thing, that frankly will take up too much time in your show.
The MCU's already in a state where it more or less is its own fictional universe though. Even that aside, if I describe a world where borders were redrawn, then show the world where all the borders are the same, there's been a failure of storytelling regardless.

As to how it would be a refugee crisis, honestly that I find totally believable. If 50% of the population just vanished in a second, the complete breakdown of most infrastructure, globally, would strand lots of people. They would find themselves in an area that is completely incapable of sustaining them, because there is no way to provide the resources, to the people in question. Industries would start to break down within days, without regular maintenance, infrastructure like roads and pipes would start having problems. There was actually a show I recall seeing many years ago, on either History Channel (before it was pseudoscience BS), or Discovery, about what would happen to the world if humans just vanished. And it was basically "The Snap" but 100% instead of 50%. And a LOT of chaotic shit would happen within the first few days/weeks, without constant upkeep. So the idea that a massive humanitarian problem would arise, as the population contracted and reconsolidated, and had to abandon entire regions of the world, leaving them in ruin for 5 years, seems entirely plausible to me. And then, having all of those people dumped back onto society 5 years later, would cause huge problems.
All those problems would occur, but they're problems that would occur within nations, not between nations. Assuming every region on Earth suffers 50% population loss, then every region is in the same boat. Maybe some areas are hit harder than others, but nothing in the show (or anything else) has demonstrated that.

Now, I know why the show did the refugee thing, it's because right now, there's more refugees in the world than at any point since WWII, and it wants to be topical. Unfortunately, it doesn't sync with the in-universe mechanics. And if we assume that things are particuarly bad in Europe (since that's where most of the Flag Smasher attacks took place), then if it's relying on the real world, we're at a crossroads, since movement within the EU is pretty easy. Entering the EU is another matter, but within it? Not so much. If that isn't the case anymore, or was never the case, again, the show doesn't demonstrate this.
 

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The Office, season 7

The end of The Office. Yes, the show went on under the same name for two more seasons after Carell left but who cares? He was the linchpin of the show, and season 7 is dedicated to sending him off in a way that is satisfying but also kinda depressing. To the people watching at the time it was already well known that Carell was leaving by the end, and so most storylines had an air of denial or delusion to them. Why care or invest yourself on anything? Michael was out.

And I hate Holly Flax. It fell on the character to basically Yoko Ono Michael from The Office, no hate on the actress, but I never liked Holly. 5 seconds of Jan trying to open her car door was funnier than anything Holly did in her 4 years in and out of the show. And her relationship with Michael felt rushed and really not that deserving at all. Who proposes after only couple of months to a person who only agreed to date you after an ultimatum, so you quit your job, move states and leave all these rich relationships you've cultivated over the years?

The writers afterwards tried desperately to salvage the show by throwing in all these kookie characters (DeAngelo, Nellie, California, Dwight/Jim 2.0) and scraping the bottom of the barrel for romantic subplots, but the show never recovered. They should've pulled the plug when Carell quit.
 
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Shadow and Bone - 7/10

Pretty decent show. The love aspect get a bit too YA (young adult) at times. The 2 main characters get separated for awhile but the timeline seems off because at the same time, we're following this other group of characters and it feels like maybe weeks have gone by but then a character says it's been months since I've seen you, which just doesn't really track. Anyway, that's kinda the basis for why one of them gets mad at each other and there's a bit of a love triangle, but it doesn't ruin much of the flow for the most part. The show moves at a relatively good speed and is always cutting back and forth between different groups.
 

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fictional series about operatives in the Israeli Secret Service and (some) Palestinians. The acting, writing, character development, and - dare I say - suspense, is mind-blowing! It’s a fictional story - repeat: fictional - meant to entertain, but it’s definitely not “propaganda.”

Co creator Lior Raz is a former counter-terrorism operator, who helped create the storyline from his own life. This article ('Fauda' co-creator and star, Lior Raz, brings the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to Netflix) explains more, but it’s partially autobiographical. Like Boaz, Lior lost a girlfriend to terrorism, his girlfriend was stabbed to death and the episode dealing with the terrorism attack was in her memory.

Among the actors is the delectable Tsahi Halevy who is intensely “private” about his service. He will admit to serving in the territories as a soldier, and that he “knows a lot.” (Israeli and Palestinian Movie 'Bethelehem' Interview | TheBlot) I imagine he had input as well.

Now, first, a lot is censored. All three are extremely loyal and patriotic Israelis who would not risk anything compromising and likely self censored, submitted to censors and then likely spoke off the record to friends in the know. They would never do anything to compromise the safety of their former teammates or anyone else in Israel.

Yahya Ayyash was one amazing story and likely the inspiration of Abu Ahmad. A merciless killer of innocents, Ayyash was directly responsible for the deaths of 70 Israelis and the wounding of hundreds more. A team like Doron’s compromised a fellow Hamas member, and switched Ayyash’s phone with a cell phone laced with Semtex explosives. They called the phone, Ayyash picked up and was blown to bits.

Season 1 is geat, not a fan of season 3
 

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Taskmaster (Channel 4)

Taskmaster is into its umpteenth season (11?). The basic idea is that five people, mostly comedians or comic actors, are set a bunch of stupid and occasionally incredibly annoying tasks, with their performance judged and scored semi-arbitrarily by the wonderfully dictatorial Greg Davies, with Alex Horne (the show's creator) playing his minion. The same contestants appear over a whole season, with individual victories by show and a season winner.

Although Davies and Horne hold things together well, the show is really made by the quality of the contestants and their attempts to complete the weird and sometimes frustrating tasks they are given, or how they try to get by the rules. Consequently there have been a couple of duff seasons, but it's impressive to still be so good so far in. Surely they are eventually going to run out of people funny enough...

Apparently it has been exported to other countries for their own homegrown variants. But likely, I fear, with limited success: it seems a very strangely British thing, and I am not sure a conversion to local tastes will necessarily work.
 

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Taskmaster (Channel 4)

Taskmaster is into its umpteenth season (11?). The basic idea is that five people, mostly comedians or comic actors, are set a bunch of stupid and occasionally incredibly annoying tasks, with their performance judged and scored semi-arbitrarily by the wonderfully dictatorial Greg Davies, with Alex Horne (the show's creator) playing his minion. The same contestants appear over a whole season, with individual victories by show and a season winner.

Although Davies and Horne hold things together well, the show is really made by the quality of the contestants and their attempts to complete the weird and sometimes frustrating tasks they are given, or how they try to get by the rules. Consequently there have been a couple of duff seasons, but it's impressive to still be so good so far in. Surely they are eventually going to run out of people funny enough...

Apparently it has been exported to other countries for their own homegrown variants. But likely, I fear, with limited success: it seems a very strangely British thing, and I am not sure a conversion to local tastes will necessarily work.
Taskmaster's interesting as a social experiment because you take all these people, a lot of whom have quite carefully cultivated stage personae, and see which ones completely let on that they're sharper than they put on and which ones are actually completely dippy.

As for international versions, the American, Belgian, and Spanish versions didn't work out, but it's done quite well in Denmark, Norway, Finland, and Sweden, apparently.
 

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The Office, season 7

The end of The Office. Yes, the show went on under the same name for two more seasons after Carell left but who cares? He was the linchpin of the show, and season 7 is dedicated to sending him off in a way that is satisfying but also kinda depressing. To the people watching at the time it was already well known that Carell was leaving by the end, and so most storylines had an air of denial or delusion to them. Why care or invest yourself on anything? Michael was out.

And I hate Holly Flax. It fell on the character to basically Yoko Ono Michael from The Office, no hate on the actress, but I never liked Holly. 5 seconds of Jan trying to open her car door was funnier than anything Holly did in her 4 years in and out of the show. And her relationship with Michael felt rushed and really not that deserving at all. Who proposes after only couple of months to a person who only agreed to date you after an ultimatum, so you quit your job, move states and leave all these rich relationships you've cultivated over the years?

The writers afterwards tried desperately to salvage the show by throwing in all these kookie characters (DeAngelo, Nellie, California, Dwight/Jim 2.0) and scraping the bottom of the barrel for romantic subplots, but the show never recovered. They should've pulled the plug when Carell quit.
While I agree The Office tapered off in quality after Michael's departure, I still found it enjoyable as many of the other characters were still fun to watch. I almost feel like everything after season 7 is a different show and enjoy it for separate reasons. I loved California; James Spader played a wonderful austere wildcard and served as an excellent "not Michael," imho. I particularly liked the Halloween episode where he tactfully learned everyone's fears, then compiled it all into their ultimate horror story. I think he was under-used, to be honest, and the plots involving him later in the show weren't explored near enough.

DeAngelo just wasn't fun. I know, that was probably the point: insert someone starkly different from Michael into the various idiosyncrasies of Dunder Mifflin, but his complete and total difference from not only Michael but EVERYONE made for some not so fun moments. We already had Jim to play the straight guy, and DeAngelo served to make even HIM look like an insufferable idiot.

Nellie, I never liked. For me, she was the "jumping the shark" point of the series. She was just... I dunno, felt like TOO much, like someone who walks into a room of people laughing, and starts exaggeratingly laughing too without knowing why while everyone already laughing has already started to regain composure.
 

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I'm about half way through Jupiter's Legacy, Netflix's new superhero series based on a Mark Millar comic.

I feel the series could go either way at this stage. Josh Duhamel is great as ageing superhero the Utopian, despite a bad wig. On the other hand the Utopian's two children are boring stereotypes who tend to get really cringeworthy dialogue. I suspect they're going to become the focus of the plot as the series goes on, which is unfortunate as every other character is more interesting than they are.
 
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On the other hand the Utopian's two children are boring stereotypes who tend to get really cringeworthy dialogue. I suspect they're going to become the focus of the plot as the series goes on,
Well I mean the show is called Jupiter's LEGACY :D So it would stand to reason that they would be the focus of the plot.
 
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I'm about half way through Jupiter's Legacy, Netflix's new superhero series based on a Mark Millar comic.

I feel the series could go either way at this stage. Josh Duhamel is great as ageing superhero the Utopian, despite a bad wig. On the other hand the Utopian's two children are boring stereotypes who tend to get really cringeworthy dialogue. I suspect they're going to become the focus of the plot as the series goes on, which is unfortunate as every other character is more interesting than they are.
It isn't "Invincible", which I have no mixed feelings about: I loved it. But it does improve a bit. By the end of Season 1, I want to see a Season 2.
 

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I'm about half way through Jupiter's Legacy, Netflix's new superhero series based on a Mark Millar comic.

I feel the series could go either way at this stage. Josh Duhamel is great as ageing superhero the Utopian, despite a bad wig. On the other hand the Utopian's two children are boring stereotypes who tend to get really cringeworthy dialogue. I suspect they're going to become the focus of the plot as the series goes on, which is unfortunate as every other character is more interesting than they are.
Jupiter's Legacy was a surprising choice for most comicbook fans as It's not a crazy popular comic and it's only like 5 issues. It's barely a seasons worth of story. Mark Millar is sort of well known for not particularly giving a shit about his characters or their development. His strong suit is his themes. Most of his characters are one-note and often shitty shallow people. One of his most Iconic, Ultimates envisions Captain America as, for all intents and purposes, a Alt-right nationalist, Hulk as a mass murderer, etc. Awful people, neat ideas.

For some reason the show runners want you to like these people or empathize, don't bother. Sky Foxes kid is the only one to bother rooting for imo, at least I like him anyway, both on page and screen.

I didn't "hate" the first season. Though it's one big prequel to the comic, taking place entirely in newly written content, thematically it's mostly a fair adaptation.

I really hated both Walking Dead and The Boys because they make up a bunch of drama shit that
A. Isn't in the books
B. Unnecessarily drags out episodes with "omg misunderstaaandingss" and
C. Tries to develop characters without considering their purpose in the books they're adapting (fucking GOT)

Jupiters legacy....so..far isn't pissing me off. The character story they're showing in Season One is at least referenced in the books and the characters are more or less true to the comic. It's....ok. I found myself enjoying it more as the season goes along. The second half is quite a bit more interesting than the first.