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I only seen 12 and 13 once and didn't love them like I do 11 but it has been since they came out that I saw them.
I highly recommend a re-watch of 12 and 13. Maybe not as big as splash as 11 since 11 was new and different, but if nothing else, they are more of the same; the on-screen chemistry stays solid with that lovable band of criminals. The "lost in translation" scene in 12 is worth the price of admission alone.


I group Ocean's 11 and White Lotus together because both feel like you're essentially just watching people being people and it feels real and organic; I could see anyone being totally bored with White Lotus or The Burbs, but I just love them. Similar to even Shaun of the Dead that I listed. If a zombie apocalypse actually happened (and you didn't know shit about zombies), you would just chill with friends or something and throw shit at a zombie that wanders into your yard just like Shaun and Ed do or like go to the pub and lock the doors and drink waiting for the whole thing to blow over. My friends and I went to BJs Brewhouse (that is like nothing but windows) after a game night during a tornado warning (all the employees in the back hunkering down) and just waited for the whole thing to blow over!
I'm kinda in a drought right now with stuff to watch, so I'm willing to give The White Lotus a go, at least for a couple of episodes. I mean, c'mon, I'm into On Cinema At The Cinema, the most niche, slow-burn, "you had to be there" comedy in the history of ever; I'm willing try most things comedy-drama/drama-comedy as long as it holds up to BOTH of those billings to an appreciable extent. (Sorry, still gun shy after Baby Reindeer...)
 
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I highly recommend a re-watch of 12 and 13. Maybe not as big as splash as 11 since 11 was new and different, but if nothing else, they are more of the same; the on-screen chemistry stays solid with that lovable band of criminals. The "lost in translation" scene in 12 is worth the price of admission alone.




I'm kinda in a drought right now with stuff to watch, so I'm willing to give The White Lotus a go, at least for a couple of episodes. I mean, c'mon, I'm into On Cinema At The Cinema, the most niche, slow-burn, "you had to be there" comedy in the history of ever; I'm willing try most things comedy-drama/drama-comedy as long as it holds up to BOTH of those billings to an appreciable extent. (Sorry, still gun shy after Baby Reindeer...)
Matt Damon with random Zeppelin lyrics 😸

If you don't like the 1st couple episodes (hell, probably the 1st episode), you probably won't like it. There's not much "payoff" that the show is working towards. I recall the 1st season has this husband obsessed with trying to prove the hotel manager made a mistake and double-booked their room and the hotel manager is gaslighting him saying it was on the parents that booked the room IIRC.
 
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Glad you beat me to it, because it mirrors my sentiments pretty well (speaking of mirror, gonna probably check out the new Black Mirror tonight). I guess there’s still a couple seasons planned, but it’s getting excruciatingly dull for all the meandering, jumping back and forth with little overall consequence to speak of, especially with character development. Speaking of, Shauna is just plain terrible. Shows an ounce of remorse after reading a letter proving she was in the wrong and then right back to her insanity. It could’ve all been wrapped up by now.


1923 was kind of similar in that it took all season to get somewhere, but it at least stuck the landing pretty well.
New Black Mirror is good! I'm pleasantly surprised it managed to be good after so long. I'm sure it helps that they just kind of pop into our lives every few years so it's a nice surprise never outstays its welcome.
Like every season, its has a couple of bangers and a few mehs, but that's ok!

We only have one last one to watch and we'll watch it tonight.

The only bad part about the season is I think the first ep is the best one. It's just really good! Does exactly what Black Mirror does best- depresses the ever living crap out of your soul because it feels way too real.

The one with Issa Rae is a lot fun but unfortunately it's the kind of episode that gets worse the more I think about it and as much as I enjoy her comedic work and writing (Insecure, really), she's just not a strong dramatic actress.
 
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New Black Mirror is good! I'm pleasantly surprised it managed to be good after so long. I'm sure it helps that they just kind of pop into our lives every few years so it's a nice surprise never outstays its welcome.
Like every season, its has a couple of bangers and a few mehs, but that's ok!

We only have one last one to watch and we'll watch it tonight.

The only bad part about the season is I think the first ep is the best one. It's just really good! Does exactly what Black Mirror does best- depresses the ever living crap out of your soul because it feels way too real.

The one with Issa Rae is a lot fun but unfortunately it's the kind of episode that gets worse the more I think about it and as much as I enjoy her comedic work and writing (Insecure, really), she's just not a strong dramatic actress.
Watched the first couple. Strong right out of the gate, straddling that line between satire and reality to an infuriating degree. Glad the second leaned more into the almost Twilight Zone-esque stuff, with a fuck yes rug pull of an ending.

A couple Easter eggs (tis the season):

The company Maria (Siena Kelly) and Verity (Rosy McEwen) worked for was Ditta, the maker of Honey Hugs referenced in the prior episode 'Common People' during one of Amanda Waters' commercial endorsements while teaching her class.

The number on the office building where Verity and Maria are working is 217, which is possibly a subtle reference to Stephen King's book "The Shining" where hotel room 217 were inhabited by the ghosts. The common topic of this episode and "The Shining" is the misperception of reality manipulated by a malevolent power.
 
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Oh my God, I just noticed the guy who played Seth in Episode 1 of The Last of Us (Season 2) is the guy from Stephen King's Thinner.

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This is the information my brain retains. 😞
 

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Watched the season finale of Daredevil Born Again

Kind of a downer ending. Kingpin becomes mayor of New York and successfully turns the city into his personal fief, Frank Castle is captured, everyone who could oppose Fisk is either dead or cowed into submission, except for Daredevil and like half a dozen friends and allies. Overal, I liked this show. I don't think it's as good as the first season and a half of the Netflix show, but it's better than most MCU offerings post Endgame and I enjoyed the return to a more mature tone and character-driven storytelling.

The returning cast are still great in their respective roles, the report between Cox' Murdock and Bernthal's Castle being a particular highlight every time they're on-screen together, and Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is back to being a delightful villain after his imo kinda underwhelming role in Hawkeye and Echo. Tho the newcomers are no slouches either, with Michael Gandolfini's Daniel Blake being my favorite.

It does kind of bother me that the entire season is essentially setup for season 2, with few of the plot threads really getting resolved. It also runs into the same problem as the Netflix show in that, despite being part of the MCU (for real this time), it kinda exists in its own world and kinda has to, because otherwise raises questions about where all the other New York based superheroes like Spider-Man and Strange are considering what happens in this show.
 

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Watched the season finale of Daredevil Born Again

Kind of a downer ending. Kingpin becomes mayor of New York and successfully turns the city into his personal fief, Frank Castle is captured, everyone who could oppose Fisk is either dead or cowed into submission, except for Daredevil and like half a dozen friends and allies. Overal, I liked this show. I don't think it's as good as the first season and a half of the Netflix show, but it's better than most MCU offerings post Endgame and I enjoyed the return to a more mature tone and character-driven storytelling.

The returning cast are still great in their respective roles, the report between Cox' Murdock and Bernthal's Castle being a particular highlight every time they're on-screen together, and Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is back to being a delightful villain after his imo kinda underwhelming role in Hawkeye and Echo. Tho the newcomers are no slouches either, with Michael Gandolfini's Daniel Blake being my favorite.

It does kind of bother me that the entire season is essentially setup for season 2, with few of the plot threads really getting resolved. It also runs into the same problem as the Netflix show in that, despite being part of the MCU (for real this time), it kinda exists in its own world and kinda has to, because otherwise raises questions about where all the other New York based superheroes like Spider-Man and Strange are considering what happens in this show.
I feel like an ass having watched this.
I knew it's pointless and useless to resurrect old shows. I'm the guy always going on about how important endings are, how we're suckers to get sucked back into endless sequels and franchising.
And yet I watched this crap like a sucker because I just like Charlie Cox and the Daredevil character. It had its moments but overall, yes, this season could have been an email.
 

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New Black Mirror is good! I'm pleasantly surprised it managed to be good after so long. I'm sure it helps that they just kind of pop into our lives every few years so it's a nice surprise never outstays its welcome.
Like every season, its has a couple of bangers and a few mehs, but that's ok!

We only have one last one to watch and we'll watch it tonight.

The only bad part about the season is I think the first ep is the best one. It's just really good! Does exactly what Black Mirror does best- depresses the ever living crap out of your soul because it feels way too real.

The one with Issa Rae is a lot fun but unfortunately it's the kind of episode that gets worse the more I think about it and as much as I enjoy her comedic work and writing (Insecure, really), she's just not a strong dramatic actress.
Just finished the new season. Really strong, one of the better whole seasons. I liked to see the return of the U.S.S. Callister, cool to see Paul Giamatti in a very dramatic role. Really liked Hote Reverie, reminded me of the better holodeck Star Trek episodes. But as many people online are praising the opener "Common People," I have to say found it to be the low point of the season.

That's no disrespect intended, it was a high bar. It was just very predictable, something that the other episodes avoided. And I get that was at least partially intentional, I mean we are watching it on a tiered subscription service. Not really trying to hide the jab at papa Netflix... a plus for the episode I thought. But even though it did come off more as "inevitable" rather than "predictable" and ADD to the overall atmosphere of melancholy... doesn't change the fact that you see it coming. That's when you should think about subverting expectations. But nope, just "yep, saw that coming." The second she started spouting ads, I knew exactly how that episode would end. And it did, save another half hour of depressing filler.
 
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Just finished the new season. Really strong, one of the better whole seasons. I liked to see the return of the U.S.S. Callister, cool to see Paul Giamatti in a very dramatic role. Really liked Hote Reverie, reminded me of the better holodeck Star Trek episodes. But as many people online are praising the opener "Common People," I have to say found it to be the low point of the season.

That's no disrespect intended, it was a high bar. It was just very predictable, something that the other episodes avoided. And I get that was at least partially intentional, I mean we are watching it on a tiered subscription service. Not really trying to hide the jab at papa Netflix... a plus for the episode I thought. But even though it did come off more as "inevitable" rather than "predictable" and ADD to the overall atmosphere of melancholy... doesn't change the fact that you see it coming. That's when you should think about subverting expectations. But nope, just "yep, saw that coming." The second she started spouting ads, I knew exactly how that episode would end. And it did, save another half hour of depressing filler.
I also kinda took it as a jab at a possible future for the medical industry, but yeah that shit was maddening.
 

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Watched the season finale of Daredevil Born Again

Kind of a downer ending. Kingpin becomes mayor of New York and successfully turns the city into his personal fief, Frank Castle is captured, everyone who could oppose Fisk is either dead or cowed into submission, except for Daredevil and like half a dozen friends and allies. Overal, I liked this show. I don't think it's as good as the first season and a half of the Netflix show, but it's better than most MCU offerings post Endgame and I enjoyed the return to a more mature tone and character-driven storytelling.

The returning cast are still great in their respective roles, the report between Cox' Murdock and Bernthal's Castle being a particular highlight every time they're on-screen together, and Vincent D'Onofrio's Fisk is back to being a delightful villain after his imo kinda underwhelming role in Hawkeye and Echo. Tho the newcomers are no slouches either, with Michael Gandolfini's Daniel Blake being my favorite.

It does kind of bother me that the entire season is essentially setup for season 2, with few of the plot threads really getting resolved. It also runs into the same problem as the Netflix show in that, despite being part of the MCU (for real this time), it kinda exists in its own world and kinda has to, because otherwise raises questions about where all the other New York based superheroes like Spider-Man and Strange are considering what happens in this show.
I feel like an ass having watched this.
I knew it's pointless and useless to resurrect old shows. I'm the guy always going on about how important endings are, how we're suckers to get sucked back into endless sequels and franchising.
And yet I watched this crap like a sucker because I just like Charlie Cox and the Daredevil character. It had its moments but overall, yes, this season could have been an email.
To be slightly fair to the show, while it was definitely a lot of set up for Season 2, I feel like that was partially due to the show having been massively overhauled partway through production, as well as a consequence of splitting up what was initially an 18 episode season. I think the last two episodes, which were the only ones that were completely redone from the initial storyline, are more of an indicator of what can be expected from Season 2, and given that they were easily the strongest episodes of the season, that is promising to me.
 

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On the other hand, I found Common People the best of the season because it was predictable. And the Callister sequel was fun but also the most boring because it wasn't really about anything (and also the longest episode).
But these are minor nitpicks and disagreements. I think it was either season 5 or 6 where I felt let down and figured the show was just going on too long by that point but I'm glad I was wrong and will always look forward to its return.

While I just in another post reiterated my disdain for non-endings and endless IP returns, Black Mirror doesn't count because it's an anthology show. They can always pop back into our lives every few years and give us a little somethin' something.
 
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On the other hand, I found Common People the best of the season because it was predictable. And the Callister sequel was fun but also the most boring because it wasn't really about anything (and also the longest episode).
But these are minor nitpicks and disagreements. I think it was either season 5 or 6 where I felt let down and figured the show was just going on too long by that point but I'm glad I was wrong and will always look forward to its return.

While I just in another post reiterated my disdain for non-endings and endless IP returns, Black Mirror doesn't count because it's an anthology show. They can always pop back into our lives every few years and give us a little somethin' something.
I totally agree about anthology shows. As far as I'm concerned, we need more of them. TV has moved on and the binge model has led to serial style being more profitable than episodic or anthology style shows. And maybe it is just my age, but I prefer episodic and anthology.
 

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Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries

This is one of those feel good, lazy watch shows. A fairly boilerplate lady detective story set in Melbourne around 1928 about a well to do flapper girl - Phryne Fisher - deciding to become a private detective after a rather entertaining time solving a murder with local policemen Det. Jack Robinson, his earnest but dopey constable High Collins and maid/companion/second in command Dot. Also along for the ride are ex-diggers Cec and Bert and the butler, Mr. Butler.

They're a colourful bunch; and honestly Australia in the 20s and 30s is a unique enough setting that you can find yourself swept up by the costuming and set design. Hell I think there was a big exhibition when the show finished somewhere in Melbourne that showed off all the period costuming and props.

Mostly show show survives on the gloriously over the top performance by Essie Davis as Phryne, matched against the taciturn but quiet warmth of Nathan Paige as Jack. I think I read somewhere that both actors were friends either before the show, or became fast friends during filming. Either way, their chemistry is really good. And honestly most of the other characters are a lot of fun too. I love Bert and Cec the most with their working class, ex-digger sensibilities. Bert even gets to be a member of the Communist Party.
 

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That's no disrespect intended, it was a high bar. It was just very predictable, something that the other episodes avoided. And I get that was at least partially intentional, I mean we are watching it on a tiered subscription service. Not really trying to hide the jab at papa Netflix... a plus for the episode I thought.
The episode is about "enshittification" - this is more that a company attracts customers in with a good service and then when the customer is "locked in", progressively reduces the quality of the service to the minimum it can get away with.

I'm not sure this is the best accusation to direct at Netflix: its customers aren't locked in, and I don't think Netflix has been very exploitative. Better to point fingers at the likes of Amazon.
 

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Last of Us S2E2

Abby goes golfing and everything plays out more or less as depicted in the game, with one stark but ultimately pointless twist: Dina takes Tommy's place next to Joel (she gets the girly girl special: a sleepyhead syringe instead of getting brained with a brick), while Tommy stays back in Jackson playing tower defense. Zombies actually breach the walls using a Bloater as a battering ram, then tear through town like it's outbreak day. It's an impressive set-piece that feels like something you'd see in Lord of the Rings or Days Gone, and ultimately it kinda belittles Joel's death when you keep cutting away to the battle of Helm's Deep.

My other problem with this is that now Ellie isn't leaving the comfort of a safe haven enroute to her revenge, but rather a town that has been ravaged and decimated by way more violence than she's personally experienced. So it's a worse look for her and plainly telegraphs the story's big reveal that Revenge Is Bad.

There's also Abby flat out telling Joel (us) who she is and all the things we're meant to glean about her throughout the game, stuff that's supposed to eventually win you over in her favor (or at least away from Ellie). And again my impression is that they simply don't trust the writing to do its thing once your blood boils over Joel's murder, and that anybody who waits another two years for part 2 of season 2 won't accept anything other than cold revenge.
 

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Just watched Episode 2 of The Last of Us Season 2, and good God that was the most unintentionally funny shit I've seen in a long, long time. We start off fucking terribly with Abby talking to another version of herself in her dream, warning her to not go into the operating room. What!? She's even leaning against the wall all nonchalant, like a fucking anime character or something. It's so fucking stupid. So points for the game for not doing any of that embarrassing shit.

Than we have the zombie horde, which in the show now is a Lord of the Rings level orc threat of thousands of zombies storming the Jackson compound. First of all, I'm sorry, but how the fuck did this many zombies and corpses just accumulate in one spot without patrols from Jackson finding out? They didn't book it from another state, they were in between where Abby was stationed and Jackson. So how the fuck was this overlooked before winter set in? Did they crawl underneath the snow? Then we get the attack on Jackson that tries so hard to be Epic Fantasy Action, with anti-siege devices, and explosions, and Tommy yelling inspirational battle cries. 🤦‍♂️ But like... yeah, let's roll a whole bunch of drums of gasoline over the wall made of wood, where they're still fairly close to the wall made of wood, and let's then light them on fire, and have the zombies light themselves up running through it toward our wall made of wood.

Also, where'd Jackson get all this fire power? Like seriously, did they just stumble upon a military base once or something? Everyone just had an M-16 in that horde scene.

In the game the horde is maybe a little over a hundred strong, numbers that after Joel, Tommy, and Abby's fight with them, and then later a good 4 or 5 molotovs from Abby's crew, are taken care of. But for the sake of shallow epicness the show makes this whole thing stupid. More points for the game.

And then we get the scene with Abby and Joel. *sigh* At first I thought maybe they were going to do something interesting, with Dina being with Joel instead of Tommy, but that was short lived, because Dina just gets anesthetized which apparently works instantaneously. Here was me thinking they were giving Dina some of that shared desire for revenge, after witnessing Joel getting tortured to death, and getting some more agency, but fuck me right? The scene also takes place in the most flat broad fucking daylight. I mean, why light an extremely important and traumatic scene appropriately? The game already did that so I guess the show didn't really feel the need to do it again.

Kaitlyn Dever and Pedro Pascal are both kinda shit in their performances. I'll be extra petty and say that both their pained exertion noises sounded weak. For Joel, it was like the sound team asked 'Hey Pedro, could you give us a generic yell? Okay, perfect!' Joel recognizes Abby's crew as being military, which Lord knows what that observation was based on. Abby won't shut the fuck up. I guess the writers thought that this being an important scene it needed a long drawn out monologe.

Then we get the funniest shit, where the camera slowly pans to a bag of golfclubs.... and I... I just fucking can't. Was this meant to be ominous, was it for "the gamers", because it just comes across as a fucking punchline.

Then Ellie shows up and we get sorta how the game did it except worse. Surprise surprise. In the game Ellie screeches bloody murder and there's a deafing pulse after Joel gets the coup de grace, with the whole thing building up till Ellie gets knocked out and we fade to black. Is it anything special, no, but it does it's job very well. In the show however Ellie says she's going to kill Abby after Abby killed Joel. Okay cool, thanks for making sure I got that HBO.

I'll say one nice thing. The scene where Ellie crawls to Joel's lifeless body to hold him, they used the same track from the first game when she's lying next to him after giving him that antibiotic shot and telling him he's going to make it. That was a very nice touch.

I thought the first episode of Season 2 was lame, but this is just amateuristic at this point. Here's a game with a story, characters, and themes I hate, and I can't help but look at it like a shining beaking in comparison to this adaptation.
 
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The episode is about "enshittification" - this is more that a company attracts customers in with a good service and then when the customer is "locked in", progressively reduces the quality of the service to the minimum it can get away with.

I'm not sure this is the best accusation to direct at Netflix: its customers aren't locked in, and I don't think Netflix has been very exploitative. Better to point fingers at the likes of Amazon.
I'd rather think it was a shot at Netflix than at Amazon though. Black Mirror taking a shot at Amazon, seems more hypocritical. That lessens the impact even more. Looking back at the season through that lens takes it from "it started good and then got even better" into "the first episode was just meh, but the rest were stellar" territory.
But, that's what is great about anthology series like Black Mirror. If there is an episode that is a miss, on a rewatch you can just skip that one. On a rewatch of the series, I'd happily rewatch every other episode this season, but I'll probably never revisit Common People.