Dissidia 2: Yuna, Trailer, Release dates

[Chancie]

Sweet! Well, I'm excited to see Yuna will be in it. More so than I am to see Lightning, anyways. Thanks for posting the trailer! I'm really excited for this one. (Though, I still need to play the first...-just finally got a PSP-)

 

[-Seraph-]

Sweet! Well, I'm excited to see Yuna will be in it. More so than I am to see Lightning, anyways. Thanks for posting the trailer! I'm really excited for this one. (Though, I still need to play the first...-just finally got a PSP-)

No prob.

About the first game though, if you have save data from that game it will carry over to Duodecim in some way, they haven't divulged what exactly it unlocks though.

BUT, Duodecim will also contain the story of the first game in it, modified to take advantage of the new world map system and will have new scenes and such. So...unless you wanna get some training done, you may wanna wait till March because you'll pretty much be getting the same game but with a FUCK TON of new content and tweaks.

The first one aint a bad game though, so you can get a head start or wait a bit lol. Hell at leas you'll get a good grasp on the basics before Duodecim leaves you bewildered with the crap ton of new mechanics thrown into the mix.

 

[Kanlic]

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Thanks, that was interesting enough to see the minority viewpoint of the game. I still don't agree with him, even though he is obviously passionate about the subject, but thanks anyways.

OT, what is the new character roaster as of late, as far as I can tell there are the original characters from the first game, those in the trailer, and what else? Will the roster be upped to 30 characters or what?

They said 10 additions max so we have 4 more to go.

As for why Vaan's important

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He's Ashe's Shadow, they have literally the same developments from hating the empire for the exact same reason to seeking revenge, to handling the same pains and grief. They may have come from different castes but the two of them are the sides of a coin. But while Ashe spends the majority of the game debating and in doubt of what to do, Vaan has long since assumed the position that revenge is not the way. Think of the Occuria showing Ashe Prince Rassler, then remember that Vaan could see the same visions, we later learned they were used to spur Ashe on with thoughts of revenge, now consider that when Vaan has discarded his revenge he no longer see's them. The moment they get the Sword of the Kings he suggests they break the Nethicite they have on them. He does not agree with Ashe seeking revenge. Balthier and Basch also provide aid, in the forms of someone with direct Nethicite experiance and as someone who represents the knightly order. Vaan represents the people however and his contributions are probably the main thing that kept Ashe from jumping off the slippery slope of villainy. The difference between the Balthier, Basch and Vaan is how they handle the situation, Balthier is snarky and sarcastic as a front for his own fears, Basch is so used to pain both physically and emotionally that he is constantly fighting the war of attrition, the tactic of enduring pain. Vaan handles things MUCH more aggressivly which makes him the perfect foil for Ashe's own aggression. When they are at Eruyt Village and the Viera are refusing to budge it's not Balthier or Basch who gets them talking, it's Vaans "I don't give a damn what your rules are" attitude. it;'s unfortunatly undermined by the comedy scene at the end of the village segment but it's still a good moment.

The climax of this duality you see at the Pharos when Vaan and Ashe are confronting not only the Nethicite, but Gabranth. At the beginning it seems like Ashe is going to destroy it as Vaan correctly guesses after having watched her grow up. at that moment we as the player see how far Ashe has come as she repeats one of her repeating lines 'Don't interrupt' the first two times she says this it's filled with spite and anger, but when she says it on the pharos it's soft and whimsical, she's not really angry with Vaan or anyone. When Gabranth is egging her on she turns to Vaan, who has lost what she lost to Gabranth, a family member, his life became just as much a hell as hers. He's seething with anger and holding his sword and then he looks at her, and his breathing slows and then he puts down his sword and nods at her. And she's made the decision right then and there that revenge isn't the way. Balthier couldn't have shown her that, Basch couldn't have shown her that. you may be thinking 'But Reddas destroyed the Sun-Cryst not Ashe' that's true but he also only stepped in to act when Ashe cut through the ghost of Rasler and declared that she wouldn't be a false saint of the Occuria. And in that scene with the Sun-Cryst raging you see Ashe and Vaan struggling towards it, she's holding the Treaty Blade and he's holding the Sword of the Kings. symbolisim and duality, she's holding the weapon that would create nethicite, and he's holding the one who will destroy it forever.

I didn't make any of that up. A lot of people don't seem to remember much about FFXII either motivations or events. but upon replaying the game and focusing on the story. you really do get a lot out.

Huh, never thought of it that way. I think the reason why the story in FFXII gets lost on people is because the game is essentially a single-player MMO, and at least for me, I was doing a ton of fucking around in between all the story segments, to the point where I would lose track of all the names and some of the details. I was still able to follow the story, but the little time I spent with it made less of an impact on me than it otherwise would have.

 

[Kanlic]

As of right now, ALL the characters from the first game will be returning with new balance tweaks, moves and everyone is getting a 3rd alt costume.

Right now there have been 6 new characters revealed: Kain Highwind, Lightning, Tifa Lockhart, Laguna Loire, Vaan, and Yuna. That brings the current roster to 28, BUT Nomura said there are still characters yet to come. So we will get between 8-10 new characters in total most likely. He said the characters yet to be revealed are from the SNES era games and up.

Gilgamesh is one of the highest probability characters to be added. Not only would he be great for the chaos side (seriously, we need SOME new bad guys), but Nomura actually was interested in adding him to the first game.

Kain, Lightning and even possibly Gilgamesh were supposed to, or thought about added to the first game but that never followed through. So now we are getting all the rejects lol.

So yea, expect a roster of 30-32 fighters in total. And I pray that they make Cosmos into a CPU boos character like Chaos was, would be fucking epic fighting her and she had her own "EX" form.

Any other new info I have is detailed in my OP, but if there are any questions pertaining to gameplay and what not I have no problem on filling people in.

I am not so sure about Gilgamesh, because which incarnation would he be? My guess would be his FFV appearance, but he would definitely be a tricky person to weave in since generally he was a nearly silent antagonist/summon.

 

[loc978]

Considering they're adding secondary characters like Kain, Tifa, and Laguna... I really hope they keep going until they have two heroes and two villains from each game... y'know, not for this release, but eventually.

 

[SpaceMedarotterX]

I am not so sure about Gilgamesh, because which incarnation would he be? My guess would be his FFV appearance, but he would definitely be a tricky person to weave in since generally he was a nearly silent antagonist/summon.

uh Gilgamesh is confirmed to be the one Constant in Final Fantasy, the same guy just universe hopping after FFV. Infact it makes MORE sense for him to be in Dissidia.

Huh, never thought of it that way. I think the reason why the story in FFXII gets lost on people is because the game is essentially a single-player MMO, and at least for me, I was doing a ton of fucking around in between all the story segments, to the point where I would lose track of all the names and some of the details. I was still able to follow the story, but the little time I spent with it made less of an impact on me than it otherwise would have.

Oh I agree I've said it myself "FFXII has such schizophrenic pacing that moves too quick at the beginning at too slow at the end" but in it's favour it does do a lot more emoting with facial expressions. I wish there had been side scenes, like a side story with Clan Centurio.

The only reason I got so much of FFXII's storyline is that I've played it oh... 3 times? 4 now? and I've done Literature and Media Studies classes, that's not a shot against people who haven't but when you do those classes they teach you to analyze everything.

As for the Offline MMO comment I must disagree I have a FAR more apt title for FFXII

"Pro Wolf Genocide 12" because for the first 3ish hours you're doing nothing but killing the furry bastards.

Ooh another thing I would have felt add 'personality' to the characters (because while developed they still feel... flat) would be Vaan changing his 'last name' you find out early on he's called 'Ratsbane' cause he kills lots of rats, now imagine if you kill 100 or so wolves you get upgraded to Wolvesbane, if you kill 100 Werewolves you become Giantsbane, and so on so forth. It's kind of like your clan title in how the people at Clan Centurio treat you differently depending on the level (like a worm at the beginning and by the time your an elite you're a well respected part of the clan)

 

[SalamanderJoe]

No offense but I think Sony made a mistake making the Dissidia games PSP exclusive. Making them a downloadable title on PSN as well could have brought a bigger audience FF audience.

 

[Fawful]

I am looking forward to this as well, though I hope they add some Kingdom Hearts and TWEWY characters at some point, I don't see why they can't.

*sigh* I don't know why I always see this or what makes people even hope for this. They are not adding Kingdome Hearts characters or any of that other junk. It's Dissidia: FINAL FANTASY, not Dissidia: Square Enix Franchises. The whole Kingdom Hearts thing is not a two way conduit and adding non FF characters would ruin the entire premise and spirit of the game. It's also terribly unfair to the dozens of other FF characters that have more right top be in. Not to mention it would just be stupid in general.

Really, adding them in now would just be out of place and ruin the game in he same way stupid star wars characters in Soul Calibur did.

I'm coming from the angle of a fighting game fan, not an FF fan. To be totally honest I've never really liked an FF game in my life (not for lack of trying mind, I've played quite a few of them. I love the IDEAS in the games, I just don't like to play them.) I did enjoy both KH and TWEWY and that's why I would like to see some of the characters from those games in this. I don't see why Dissidia 2 has to stay locked into the Final Fantasy mold, and I don't see how adding maybe Sora and Neku as late-game unlocks would "ruin the game" as you put it. KH,TWEWY and FF is a much more natural fit that SW and SC. It's more content and more fan service in a game where half the reason you buy it is fan service and adding something for a Kingdom Hearts fan (like me) to get excited about gives ME more of a reason to buy this game.

Expand the potental market Square-Enix, you know you want to!

 

[-Seraph-]

I am not so sure about Gilgamesh, because which incarnation would he be? My guess would be his FFV appearance, but he would definitely be a tricky person to weave in since generally he was a nearly silent antagonist/summon.

It would be the FFV Gilgamesh seeing as that one has the most established character AND FFV has yet to have anything new revealed about it. We don't know Bartz and ExDeaths new 3rd costumes, there is no new stage pertaining to FFV and there is no new character to it. FF6 got the Phantom train as a new stage meaning a new FF6 character is very unlikely given their trend.

I posted this a few posts back but the trend has been that any game that has not received a new character get a new stage instead, with the exception of 12 and 13. Nomura already stated he expressed interest in adding him so his chances are very high, in the other game save for 12 he was nothing more than a summon really so FFV is the most logical choice.

No offense but I think Sony made a mistake making the Dissidia games PSP exclusive. Making them a downloadable title on PSN as well could have brought a bigger audience FF audience.

First off, you mean Square Enix.

Second of all (I'm not being rude about any of this), it's no more a "mistake" than any other exclusive game. They chose to put it on the PSP for a reason and they are sticking with it. It COULD have got more money by being on other platforms, but that same logic can be applied to every exclusive ever made.

It also wouldn't "work" on a console for the sole reason of how multiplayer is handled. See with the way dissidia is set up, you'd be playing split screen in local multiplayer just like you would an FPS given the perspective of the camera being in the third person. And given how crazy and acrobatic the game is, playing split screen would be a little disorienting.

It works on the portable because each combatant has their own view of the battle. Plus even though the game does not have the most cutting edge graphics, it is damn well still a BEAUTIFUL game. It's art style is just perfect as it has a lot of style and character to it and really shows how even "dated" games can still look down right pretty.

 

[Reg5879]

WHERE'S AURON?!?! Also, where's Vincent for that matter?

Why would you want vincent? He's an emo (for real this time not the word people throw around with abandon) little ***** who is in no way fun to have around. I may have called Laguna Erectile Dysfunction Man but at least he wont make me put my fist through my PSP

Better him than Cloud.

 

[-Seraph-]

I am looking forward to this as well, though I hope they add some Kingdom Hearts and TWEWY characters at some point, I don't see why they can't.

*sigh* I don't know why I always see this or what makes people even hope for this. They are not adding Kingdome Hearts characters or any of that other junk. It's Dissidia: FINAL FANTASY, not Dissidia: Square Enix Franchises. The whole Kingdom Hearts thing is not a two way conduit and adding non FF characters would ruin the entire premise and spirit of the game. It's also terribly unfair to the dozens of other FF characters that have more right top be in. Not to mention it would just be stupid in general.

Really, adding them in now would just be out of place and ruin the game in he same way stupid star wars characters in Soul Calibur did.

I'm coming from the angle of a fighting game fan, not an FF fan. To be totally honest I've never really liked an FF game in my life (not for lack of trying mind, I've played quite a few of them. I love the IDEAS in the games, I just don't like to play them.) I did enjoy both KH and TWEWY and that's why I would like to see some of the characters from those games in this. I don't see why Dissidia 2 has to stay locked into the Final Fantasy mold, and I don't see how adding maybe Sora and Neku as late-game unlocks would "ruin the game" as you put it. KH,TWEWY and FF is a much more natural fit that SW and SC. It's more content and more fan service in a game where half the reason you buy it is fan service and adding something for a Kingdom Hearts fan (like me) to get excited about gives ME more of a reason to buy this game.

Expand the potental market Square-Enix, you know you want to!

And again, you are missing the whole point. You're not thinking logically about this game.

First off I'm just gonna say this now; Normura himself explicitly stated that there will not be any KH characters or any of that nonsense in the game.

Secondly, YES it would ruin the game for the sole reasons I stated. It doesn't matter if you don't like Final Fantasy or not, that isn't the point and even if this is a fan service game (a damn good one too), there are still limits to what can be done. Again you are missing those two key words in the games title: Dissidia: FINAL FANTASY. And what you said about all those franchises being a natural fit is also nonsense, it would just be a cluster fuck without any real consistency.

The Kingdom Hearts x FF crossover crap doesn't swing both ways, FF is it's own universe and so is Kingdom Hearts, if it wen both ways we would have seen KH characters in FF games by now but we don't. We'd sooner see FF spin off characters in Dissidia than we would anything else. That and it's completely unfair to the dozens of other FF characters to have space wasted on KH nonsense. I have nothing against Kingdom Hearts but it doesn't belong plain and simple.

Dissidia is one big homage to Final Fantasy like I said before. Everything about Dissidia is about Final Fantasy and changing that would ruin the entire spirit of the game. The characters, music, locations, dialogue, story events are all related and references to final fantasy. Hell Dissidia has it's own self contained continuity and universe that's been built into the game, and throwing in these characters would ruin it and just screw things up.

Again I have to stress the fact that is called Dissidia: FINAL FANTASY, NOT Dissida, or Dissidia: Squenix franchises. There is no logical reason to include Kingdom Hearts characters at all and when you think about it you see that it would just ruin the spirit of the game.

It doesn't matter if you don't like FF, that's not the point. This is set out to please a specific group of fans and hell, the game stands on it's own even without the Final Fantasy stuff because of how good the game play itself is. You come for the spectacle and stay for the game play.

If you wanna see those characters duke it out, ask Square to make another fighting game with all them, but Dissidia is it's own thing with clearly defined criteria to it and wasting what little space they have to work with on such things is incredibly stupid and out fo place.

I have nothing against Kingdom Hearts or any of that, I enjoy them actually. But that stupid crap will never be in Dissidia and that's final, no point in trying to argue it when you use simple logic to see what they have done with this.

 

[-Seraph-]

Oh yea I saw those earlier today on Dissidiaforums, they are an awesome site for info a guides and everything. That's how I get my info pertaining to character tweaks, footage, news, and all that junk. You should check out Belts0091's mechanics digest.

Although I forget which page had a link that showed all the known tweaks and additions to the original characters but it was HUGE. Some of that info in on the first page of the speculation thread though.

Firion and Emporers sections took up half a page and boy are they more awesome now.

Ujhbn filmed those, and given the info they have accumulated, you can tell they are working hard at the game. The Jumpfest demo was different than the TGS demo when it came to character tweaks and such. I really love what they did with Empy and ExDeath, just epic.

 

[Kanlic]

Oh I agree I've said it myself "FFXII has such schizophrenic pacing that moves too quick at the beginning at too slow at the end" but in it's favour it does do a lot more emoting with facial expressions. I wish there had been side scenes, like a side story with Clan Centurio.

The only reason I got so much of FFXII's storyline is that I've played it oh... 3 times? 4 now? and I've done Literature and Media Studies classes, that's not a shot against people who haven't but when you do those classes they teach you to analyze everything.

As for the Offline MMO comment I must disagree I have a FAR more apt title for FFXII

"Pro Wolf Genocide 12" because for the first 3ish hours you're doing nothing but killing the furry bastards.

Ooh another thing I would have felt add 'personality' to the characters (because while developed they still feel... flat) would be Vaan changing his 'last name' you find out early on he's called 'Ratsbane' cause he kills lots of rats, now imagine if you kill 100 or so wolves you get upgraded to Wolvesbane, if you kill 100 Werewolves you become Giantsbane, and so on so forth. It's kind of like your clan title in how the people at Clan Centurio treat you differently depending on the level (like a worm at the beginning and by the time your an elite you're a well respected part of the clan)

Let's just agree that that game made good use of the Skinner Box method, and it sucked about 120 hours out of my life

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

huh

well it looks awesome, enjoyed the first one, but don't have a psp anymore so wont be getting it sadly..

i wish it would at least be able to be played via ps3, but their loss i suppose for the super exclusivity.

 

[Fawful]

I am looking forward to this as well, though I hope they add some Kingdom Hearts and TWEWY characters at some point, I don't see why they can't.

*sigh* I don't know why I always see this or what makes people even hope for this. They are not adding Kingdome Hearts characters or any of that other junk. It's Dissidia: FINAL FANTASY, not Dissidia: Square Enix Franchises. The whole Kingdom Hearts thing is not a two way conduit and adding non FF characters would ruin the entire premise and spirit of the game. It's also terribly unfair to the dozens of other FF characters that have more right top be in. Not to mention it would just be stupid in general.

Really, adding them in now would just be out of place and ruin the game in he same way stupid star wars characters in Soul Calibur did.

I'm coming from the angle of a fighting game fan, not an FF fan. To be totally honest I've never really liked an FF game in my life (not for lack of trying mind, I've played quite a few of them. I love the IDEAS in the games, I just don't like to play them.) I did enjoy both KH and TWEWY and that's why I would like to see some of the characters from those games in this. I don't see why Dissidia 2 has to stay locked into the Final Fantasy mold, and I don't see how adding maybe Sora and Neku as late-game unlocks would "ruin the game" as you put it. KH,TWEWY and FF is a much more natural fit that SW and SC. It's more content and more fan service in a game where half the reason you buy it is fan service and adding something for a Kingdom Hearts fan (like me) to get excited about gives ME more of a reason to buy this game.

Expand the potental market Square-Enix, you know you want to!

Spoiler

And again, you are missing the whole point. You're not thinking logically about this game.

First off I'm just gonna say this now; Normura himself explicitly stated that there will not be any KH characters or any of that nonsense in the game.

Secondly, YES it would ruin the game for the sole reasons I stated. It doesn't matter if you don't like Final Fantasy or not, that isn't the point and even if this is a fan service game (a damn good one too), there are still limits to what can be done. Again you are missing those two key words in the games title: Dissidia: FINAL FANTASY. And what you said about all those franchises being a natural fit is also nonsense, it would just be a cluster fuck without any real consistency.

The Kingdom Hearts x FF crossover crap doesn't swing both ways, FF is it's own universe and so is Kingdom Hearts, if it wen both ways we would have seen KH characters in FF games by now but we don't. We'd sooner see FF spin off characters in Dissidia than we would anything else. That and it's completely unfair to the dozens of other FF characters to have space wasted on KH nonsense. I have nothing against Kingdom Hearts but it doesn't belong plain and simple.

Dissidia is one big homage to Final Fantasy like I said before. Everything about Dissidia is about Final Fantasy and changing that would ruin the entire spirit of the game. The characters, music, locations, dialogue, story events are all related and references to final fantasy. Hell Dissidia has it's own self contained continuity and universe that's been built into the game, and throwing in these characters would ruin it and just screw things up.

Again I have to stress the fact that is called Dissidia: FINAL FANTASY, NOT Dissida, or Dissidia: Squenix franchises. There is no logical reason to include Kingdom Hearts characters at all and when you think about it you see that it would just ruin the spirit of the game.

It doesn't matter if you don't like FF, that's not the point. This is set out to please a specific group of fans and hell, the game stands on it's own even without the Final Fantasy stuff because of how good the game play itself is. You come for the spectacle and stay for the game play.

If you wanna see those characters duke it out, ask Square to make another fighting game with all them, but Dissidia is it's own thing with clearly defined criteria to it and wasting what little space they have to work with on such things is incredibly stupid and out fo place.

I have nothing against Kingdom Hearts or any of that, I enjoy them actually. But that stupid crap will never be in Dissidia and that's final, no point in trying to argue it when you use simple logic to see what they have done with this.

Yikes, your defensive about this. Okay, from what I can gather your issue is that because this game has "Final Fantasy" on the box it can't possibly have anything from outside franchises in it even though the franchise I've suggested to be added, but not focused on, is made by the same developer and has characters from Final Fantasy in it as well, lest it ruin the "purity" or "spirit" or whatever of the core game? Is that it?

This is why people hate fanboys.

I had a counter argument I was going to go into, but I don't care anymore. This is a total non-issue, I didn't know that the producer or whoever came out and said that there wouldn't be any KH or TWEWY characters added in this game when I wrote my original post. If Dissidia 3 was just called "Dissidia 3" would you be so against having even just ONE Kingdom Hearts character in it then?

 

[SpaceMedarotterX]

WHERE'S AURON?!?! Also, where's Vincent for that matter?

Why would you want vincent? He's an emo (for real this time not the word people throw around with abandon) little ***** who is in no way fun to have around. I may have called Laguna Erectile Dysfunction Man but at least he wont make me put my fist through my PSP

Better him than Cloud.

Why? Cloud has the benefit of A. having a nice rounded character B. being an actual main character and let's not forget C. Not being Vincent.

Yeah, Cloud wins on the sole position of 'not being Vincent'

Oh wait D. There's more you can do with Cloud than you can with Vincent

 

[-Seraph-]

I am looking forward to this as well, though I hope they add some Kingdom Hearts and TWEWY characters at some point, I don't see why they can't.

*sigh* I don't know why I always see this or what makes people even hope for this. They are not adding Kingdome Hearts characters or any of that other junk. It's Dissidia: FINAL FANTASY, not Dissidia: Square Enix Franchises. The whole Kingdom Hearts thing is not a two way conduit and adding non FF characters would ruin the entire premise and spirit of the game. It's also terribly unfair to the dozens of other FF characters that have more right top be in. Not to mention it would just be stupid in general.

Really, adding them in now would just be out of place and ruin the game in he same way stupid star wars characters in Soul Calibur did.

I'm coming from the angle of a fighting game fan, not an FF fan. To be totally honest I've never really liked an FF game in my life (not for lack of trying mind, I've played quite a few of them. I love the IDEAS in the games, I just don't like to play them.) I did enjoy both KH and TWEWY and that's why I would like to see some of the characters from those games in this. I don't see why Dissidia 2 has to stay locked into the Final Fantasy mold, and I don't see how adding maybe Sora and Neku as late-game unlocks would "ruin the game" as you put it. KH,TWEWY and FF is a much more natural fit that SW and SC. It's more content and more fan service in a game where half the reason you buy it is fan service and adding something for a Kingdom Hearts fan (like me) to get excited about gives ME more of a reason to buy this game.

Expand the potental market Square-Enix, you know you want to!

Spoiler

And again, you are missing the whole point. You're not thinking logically about this game.

First off I'm just gonna say this now; Normura himself explicitly stated that there will not be any KH characters or any of that nonsense in the game.

Secondly, YES it would ruin the game for the sole reasons I stated. It doesn't matter if you don't like Final Fantasy or not, that isn't the point and even if this is a fan service game (a damn good one too), there are still limits to what can be done. Again you are missing those two key words in the games title: Dissidia: FINAL FANTASY. And what you said about all those franchises being a natural fit is also nonsense, it would just be a cluster fuck without any real consistency.

The Kingdom Hearts x FF crossover crap doesn't swing both ways, FF is it's own universe and so is Kingdom Hearts, if it wen both ways we would have seen KH characters in FF games by now but we don't. We'd sooner see FF spin off characters in Dissidia than we would anything else. That and it's completely unfair to the dozens of other FF characters to have space wasted on KH nonsense. I have nothing against Kingdom Hearts but it doesn't belong plain and simple.

Dissidia is one big homage to Final Fantasy like I said before. Everything about Dissidia is about Final Fantasy and changing that would ruin the entire spirit of the game. The characters, music, locations, dialogue, story events are all related and references to final fantasy. Hell Dissidia has it's own self contained continuity and universe that's been built into the game, and throwing in these characters would ruin it and just screw things up.

Again I have to stress the fact that is called Dissidia: FINAL FANTASY, NOT Dissida, or Dissidia: Squenix franchises. There is no logical reason to include Kingdom Hearts characters at all and when you think about it you see that it would just ruin the spirit of the game.

It doesn't matter if you don't like FF, that's not the point. This is set out to please a specific group of fans and hell, the game stands on it's own even without the Final Fantasy stuff because of how good the game play itself is. You come for the spectacle and stay for the game play.

If you wanna see those characters duke it out, ask Square to make another fighting game with all them, but Dissidia is it's own thing with clearly defined criteria to it and wasting what little space they have to work with on such things is incredibly stupid and out fo place.

I have nothing against Kingdom Hearts or any of that, I enjoy them actually. But that stupid crap will never be in Dissidia and that's final, no point in trying to argue it when you use simple logic to see what they have done with this.

Yikes, your defensive about this. Okay, from what I can gather your issue is that because this game has "Final Fantasy" on the box it can't possibly have anything from outside franchises in it even though the franchise I've suggested to be added, but not focused on, is made by the same developer and has characters from Final Fantasy in it as well, lest it ruin the "purity" or "spirit" or whatever of the core game? Is that it?

This is why people hate fanboys.

I had a counter argument I was going to go into, but I don't care anymore. This is a total non-issue, I didn't know that the producer or whoever came out and said that there wouldn't be any KH or TWEWY characters added in this game when I wrote my original post. If Dissidia 3 was just called "Dissidia 3" would you be so against having even just ONE Kingdom Hearts character in it then?

I'm not trying to come off as a fan boy, I'm just using actual LOGIC in my argument here but it really shows that you aren't getting it or even reading the entire thing. It doesn't matter if those other games were made by Square Enix, they still don't fit into the game because they don't fit the established ground work set down, it's unfair to the other dozens of potential FF characters, and it undermines the entire point of the game that the developers set out to do; not to mention just plain stupid.

It doesn't matter if the potential 3rd game is just called Dissidia 3, it's already established as a Final Fantasy game and recognized as so. They'd sooner add a spin off FF character than they would anything else. Offsetting the character balance with just random characters from other series that don't fit into the games mold is jarring, and as out of place, thus ruining the point of the game. Go reread that one paragraph where I mentioned how EVERYTHING in Dissidia relates and homages Final Fantasy, that paragraph alone pretty much destroys any reasoning to add random franchise characters.

But fine, you don't wanna listen, you don't want to think about this logically so go ahead and brand me a fanboy, I don't care. I came at this from playing the first game and being knowledgeable about this whole predicament, not with hopeless fandom of seeing random characters without reasoning. Yea I love the game and don't want it ruined by that sort of pandering. If you wanna see them fight, keep hopelessly wishing for them or ask Squenix to make another fighting game featuring them. They don't belong in Dissidia and that is final

It's the same reason you won't see Master Chief in Smash bros, he has nothing to do with the establish premise.

 

[Reg5879]

WHERE'S AURON?!?! Also, where's Vincent for that matter?

Why would you want vincent? He's an emo (for real this time not the word people throw around with abandon) little ***** who is in no way fun to have around. I may have called Laguna Erectile Dysfunction Man but at least he wont make me put my fist through my PSP

Better him than Cloud.

Why? Cloud has the benefit of A. having a nice rounded character B. being an actual main character and let's not forget C. Not being Vincent.

Yeah, Cloud wins on the sole position of 'not being Vincent'

Oh wait D. There's more you can do with Cloud than you can with Vincent

A nice rounded character? Also, wait...wait...wait...you call Vincent emo and then start bigging up Cloud, you do know Cloud is said by many and me included to be very emo.

 

[SpaceMedarotterX]

WHERE'S AURON?!?! Also, where's Vincent for that matter?

Why would you want vincent? He's an emo (for real this time not the word people throw around with abandon) little ***** who is in no way fun to have around. I may have called Laguna Erectile Dysfunction Man but at least he wont make me put my fist through my PSP

Better him than Cloud.

Why? Cloud has the benefit of A. having a nice rounded character B. being an actual main character and let's not forget C. Not being Vincent.

Yeah, Cloud wins on the sole position of 'not being Vincent'

Oh wait D. There's more you can do with Cloud than you can with Vincent

A nice rounded character? Also, wait...wait...wait...you call Vincent emo and then start bigging up Cloud, you do know Cloud is said by many and me included to be very emo.

Yeah and you're wrong. no I'm not calling your opinion wrong I am flat out telling you, Cloud is not an emo. He's a prick, a little bit goofy, kind of an idiot and he goes through one traumatic mind break, but at no point is he a woe is me little whinging *****.

Wait unless you count Advent Children which I don't.

 

[Baralak]

A nice rounded character? Also, wait...wait...wait...you call Vincent emo and then start bigging up Cloud, you do know Cloud is said by many and me included to be very emo.

Yeah and you're wrong. no I'm not calling your opinion wrong I am flat out telling you, Cloud is not an emo. He's a prick, a little bit goofy, kind of an idiot and he goes through one traumatic mind break, but at no point is he a woe is me little whinging *****.

Wait unless you count Advent Children which I don't.[/quote]

Yeah, Cloud was only emo in Advent Children. He was a really great, well rounded character in Final Fantasy VII.