Do Americans have a right to carry?

[omega 616]

This guy has a gun, he isn't listening to the officer, taser the fuck head.

I didn't want to listen the whole audio recording because it was too long. Anyways, as far as I know, a license to carry a handgun is typically a concealed weapons permit therefore to have it holstered in plain view in a public area is not justified because it can antagonize or threaten others. If it was at a firing range or something, then its probably different.

Listen to the first 3 minutes, the rest seems to be faint whisperings and shufflings (like a phone in a pocket).

On topic. The guy couldn't have been calmer and the police guy was basically sticking his fingers in his ears and shouting "get on the ground! Get your hands where I can see them!" etc etc etc.

The guy even asked if he could move his foot ...

As for the laws and ins and outs of the USA and gun controle, stop carrying them. Only leads to shoot outs and higher rate of fatalities.

 

[fix-the-spade]

This is why we don't arm the police.

We should arm them with nerf guns, nerf gatlings on the roofs of the cars.

It would give a good way to vent frustrations without commiting actual violence. Plus, Nerf Gatling-gun Police cars, it sells itself.

 

[Thaluikhain]

You carry a gun to feel safer, it makes you no more able to defend yourself than before. If I were going to attack you, I would walk up from behind then slit your throat first, you've got a gun, best never give you a chance to use it.

Or the front. Bit off-topic, but people tend to underestimate the danger of a common or garden knife. Alot of armed police officers have been badly injured/killed after being attacked by someone with a knife, as they can't draw the weapon, chamber a round, release the safety, aim and fire fast enough.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Well atleast the guy wasn't threatening or harming anyone.

 

[Citizen Snips]

This has cycled through here a few times already, but my position hasn't changed.

Americans do and should have the right to carry, and infringing upon that is going against our personal freedom and the Bill of Rights. If anyone thinks that we are interpreting the 2nd Amendment incorrectly, they need to call their congressman and demand a constitutional amendment immediately.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This means that we should be able to form a militia when necessary, but also that our individual right to own a firearm can not be infringed upon. The Supreme Court has sided with this time and time again.

 

[For.I.Am.Mad]

The way things are in Philly right now I can't really blame the cop. It's like the O.K. Corral over here.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

This is why we don't arm the police.

We should arm them with nerf guns, nerf gatlings on the roofs of the cars.

It would give a good way to vent frustrations without commiting actual violence. Plus, Nerf Gatling-gun Police cars, it sells itself.

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

 

[Thaluikhain]

This has cycled through here a few times already, but my position hasn't changed.

Americans do and should have the right to carry, and infringing upon that is going against our personal freedom and the Bill of Rights. If anyone thinks that we are interpreting the 2nd Amendment incorrectly, they need to call their congressman and demand a constitutional amendment immediately.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This means that we should be able to form a militia when necessary, but also that our individual right to own a firearm can not be infringed upon. The Supreme Court has sided with this time and time again.

Personally, I happen to believe that was merely supposed to mean being able to serve in the military (which means that banning homosexuals was unconstitutional).

However, that's totally irrelevant, as there's no reason why you can't allow for privately owned weapons with other laws (or, for that matter, ignore the Bill of Rights when convenient).

 

[Biodeamon]

i think they should re-go arms training. people in america seem to use them too often or on a whim.

Instead of taking them to a restaurant to tell them they're breaking up people these days seem to think lead is acceptable parting gift....

 

[The Apothecarry]

The last time I checked, you need a license for a concealed firearm but not a openly visible one.

Why is it that all the cops have recently forgotten all of the common knowledge laws?

 

[teh_spartan]

you need to have a concealed weapon permit to cary a handgun in public NY

 

[Cheesezorz]

God, they sound so very rude!

 

[dystopiaINC]

SNIP

He didn't listen to the officer. He should have been on his stomach, then hand cuffed, then placed in the back of a squad car until this was cleared up. That's the law. That's what 'TEMPORARILY DETAIN' means. A person a few posts up quoted the law relevant here.

if i may? no, he was the reasonable on here, he had the gun legally and was supposed to have it out if he didn't have a concealed carry permit, the cop was a stupid piece of shit that refused to listen to him, in case you didn't notice the retarded cop had his gun trained on him before he even told the man to turn around, he was already being unreasonable well before the confrontation started. just so you know, i want to be an officer, i think this was to far and out of line and the cop was in the wrong here man.

 

[Jodah]

Assuming Philadelphia doesn't have any additional laws then he is in the right. For example, in New York state you need a permit to own a handgun period. Said permit is also a conceal carry permit. Now if I were to take my permit and handgun to New York City it would be illegal. In order to carry in New York City an additional permit is required.

 

[omega 616]

SNIP

He didn't listen to the officer. He should have been on his stomach, then hand cuffed, then placed in the back of a squad car until this was cleared up. That's the law. That's what 'TEMPORARILY DETAIN' means. A person a few posts up quoted the law relevant here.

The guy said to him, "do you want to see my drivers ID and my license to carry it" he said the famous lines again.

There was no need to arrest the guy, call in back up, have a go at him for it and then just sort it out.

Let him throw his stuff over, read it and then have a good laugh or a "sorry for the inconvenience, just wanted to sure and safe", the guy seemed more than reasonable and would have probably said "it's ok, I know you were just doing your job".

The cop blew it all out of proportion.

 

[Echo136]

This guy was recording everything and from the sound of his voice was expecting this to happen. I dont consider him at all the victim in this situation.

 

[For.I.Am.Mad]

Do you have any idea what cops have to go through? Clubs shootings, drive bys, people spazzing on whatever drug of the day, and now you have some tough guy walking around with an unconcealed hand gun, in Philadelphia no less. He's lucky he didn't get a bullet through his leg.

 

[fenrizz]

SNIP

He didn't listen to the officer. He should have been on his stomach, then hand cuffed, then placed in the back of a squad car until this was cleared up. That's the law. That's what 'TEMPORARILY DETAIN' means. A person a few posts up quoted the law relevant here.

Seems unreasonable to me.

He was cooperating, trying to calmly explain why he had a gun.
He offered the required paperwork, but the police officer plain refused to listen.

You can't just tackle someone to the ground, put your knee on their face and handcuff them for no reason.
And certainly nor so when they have done nothing wrong.

 

[Jodah]

This guy was recording everything and from the sound of his voice was expecting this to happen. I dont consider him at all the victim in this situation.

Unless its different in Philadelphia or criminal cases that recording won't be admissible in his case. In PA both parties have to know they are being recorded for it to be admissible in court. I've recently had issues with this as my father recorded conversations during a family feud with his brothers (none of which would be confidential due to attorney privilege or the like.)

 

[Brandon237]

This guy has a gun, he isn't listening to the officer, taser the fuck head.

Regardless if he has a right to carry the weapon, he is blatantly defying a police officer.

-'A. SINCE A SEPARATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED IN PHILADELPHIA
AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OFFICER TO KNOW WHO DOES
AND DOES NOT HAVE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE, IT
IS ENTIRELY REASONALBE FOR OFFICERS TO TEMPORARILY
DETAIN AND INVESTIGATE ANY INDIVIDUAL CARRYING A
FIREARM EXPOSED TO DETERMINE IF THE PERSON IS
OPERATING WITH THE LAW.

B. IMMEDIATLEY SEIZE ANY FIREARMS FOR OFFICER SAFETY
DURING THE STOP AND UNLOAD THE FIREARMS IF POSSIBLE,
BUT ONLY IF IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.-'

Yeah, this dumb dumb will more than likely have his license revoked.

-.-
Seriously?
Did you listen to the audio recording? The cop harassed him, refused to listen, Would not even let him move his foot off the dirt and shouted, swore and got pissed off for no reason other than to create a power struggle for the sake of it. What's wrong with "Hello, please stand where you are and slowly draw your permit for that weapon on your hip, thank-you." *Check permit* "Thank-you sir, have a nice day."

Police do not deserve respect because they are police, they deserve it IF they do their job properly, without infringing on the rights and lives of innocent civilians. If they do not, they should not be given a fire-arm and should not be given respect they do not deserve, this is simply causing friction between police and civilians.

taser the fuck head

Because this will NEVER lead to unnecessary violence, hate, injury and shootings. Not in this wonderful Orwellian World we live in that denies the existence of human rights to all but those in government and the police force.