Do bronies challenge traditional masculine values?
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Exactly I couldn't agree with you more small cute rolling puppy,I should be able to watch Kodomo no Jikan without being judged thank you very much!Susan Arendt said:
You know how some guys find fluffy bunnies and ducklings cute? Are they doing the whole "PHWOAARRRR I'M CHALLENGING TRADITIONAL MASCULINE VALUES!" thing? Not really. Bunnies and ducklings are just cute, fact of life, gender is irrelevant. Even the "manliest" of men have been known to have a soft-spot for something or the other.
Apply the same logic to bronies - except replace the bunnies/ducklings with cute colorful characters with detailed unique personalities, adorable expressions, light-hearted humor, a decent story, etc. It's that simple! Masculine/feminine values are irrelevant!
Apply the same logic to bronies - except replace the bunnies/ducklings with cute colorful characters with detailed unique personalities, adorable expressions, light-hearted humor, a decent story, etc. It's that simple! Masculine/feminine values are irrelevant!
Bronies aren't doing shit. The fact that the majority of them already belong to a fringe group (the nerd subculture) already means that they are far enough removed from the main stream that they aren't actually going to have much of an effect on the population at large. Couple that with the fact that a fair amount of them are absolutely insufferable in how far they take their fandom and you have a group that isn't doing anything except for making themselves more removed from what is socially accepted in a negative way.
Once, real men were the ones who were manly enough to wear pink.
Now, they real men ARE a little pink. Wait, that makes no sense.
I have great respect for the men who are open about watching the show, so I'd lean towards yes.
Now, they real men ARE a little pink. Wait, that makes no sense.
I have great respect for the men who are open about watching the show, so I'd lean towards yes.
I'm pretty sure EVERY cartoon has one if not several episodes about Be Careful What You Wish For. Is this really the show at its finest?shintakie10 said:
A reference to Monty Python's lumberjack song? 100 points for you!NightmareExpress said:
I'd say the better episodes are the ones that reveals the cast's fears and flaws. i.e the episode where it's revealed that the reason Pinkie is so friendly and cheerful towards everyone is because she's terrified of the idea that people (ponies?) might hate her.Johnny Novgorod said:
From the sounds of it, you've never seen the show?
He mixed up his Rarity episodes. Suited for Success was about the perils of an artist taking work on commission, particularly from friends. I'm sure others have done that too, but it's a less common topic. Probably not so many of them had musical numbers about sewing, either.Johnny Novgorod said:
See, again with the Generic Cartoon Episode. The extroverted comic relief is really insecure about itself? BRILLIANT.FireAza said:
Dude, that's hardly a common trope in cartoons. Most characters in cartoons are kinda (if you'll excuse the pun) two-dimensional, you don't really see any sides to them aside from whatever personality trait they've had from the start. Again, it sounds to me like you've never actually seen the show and are refusing to consider it might actually be better than you think. Which is what I thought before I actually sat down and made myself watch it.
"Bronies" have an affinity towards being as flamboyant as possible in an effort to gain attention. Other "bronies" give them extreme positive attention whereas more outspoken members on the internet will give them negative attention. Both feed the individual's desire for attention.
It's the reason people get annoyed at vegans and such. Their lifestyle is fine, but the vast majority shove it down your throat so often that they have earned themselves a negative reputation. "Bronies" have made a children's television show their lifestyle and make every effort to let the world know their obsession.
I, and many people, would admit to liking things that may be considered 'childish' or 'unmanly'. Many people like Pokemon, for example. Aside from the amusing occasion, you don't see these people plastering their entire lifestyle all over every form of social media. This is what "Bronies" do.
"Bronies" don't challenge traditional masculine values. They are just another phase in the ever-evolving desire to be chastised that socially-awkward attention-seekers have.
It's the reason people get annoyed at vegans and such. Their lifestyle is fine, but the vast majority shove it down your throat so often that they have earned themselves a negative reputation. "Bronies" have made a children's television show their lifestyle and make every effort to let the world know their obsession.
I, and many people, would admit to liking things that may be considered 'childish' or 'unmanly'. Many people like Pokemon, for example. Aside from the amusing occasion, you don't see these people plastering their entire lifestyle all over every form of social media. This is what "Bronies" do.
"Bronies" don't challenge traditional masculine values. They are just another phase in the ever-evolving desire to be chastised that socially-awkward attention-seekers have.
It pretty much did. The artist, Faust, that draws the series was found to be a 4channer herself and as a result gained a fan following. Later, 4chan-wannabes enjoyed the public chastising they recieved from forcing this meme on others while 4chan itself just moved on.TizzytheTormentor said:
I've allways found it quite curious how agressive some people get towards things that arent harmful, just different. Why waste time and energy to hate what isnt 'normal'. We are all not normal.
I think the usual gender constrictions are a harm to everybodies freedom.
Im not a brony (or pegasister, thats for girls) but I did enjoy watching MLP (more so the first two seasons).
Do we really need to allways stick to adult stuff if we are adults? I dont think so and MLP is not like watching a barbie movie...
I think the usual gender constrictions are a harm to everybodies freedom.
Im not a brony (or pegasister, thats for girls) but I did enjoy watching MLP (more so the first two seasons).
Do we really need to allways stick to adult stuff if we are adults? I dont think so and MLP is not like watching a barbie movie...
I'm honestly surprised so many people are saying no. I was just going to post "Yeah, of course they do. We already know this and have had this discussion before. Why does this thread need to exist?", but after seeing everyone's responses... well, maybe I'm wrong and this thread does need to exist.
As for the topic, we bronies definitely do. Anyone outside the interwebz who first learns that a male likes MLP often immediately gets shunned or at least loses some respect from family and / or peers for liking something perceived as "girly". The whole "dude-bro" stereotype does indeed exist and it is expected on a cultural level that people fit into their perceived gender roles in any society, so having people do something that contrasts it so heavily like guys liking a show for little girls or ladies enjoying video games designed for males does indeed challenge traditional values.
However, we live in an age where traditional values are being challenged left and right. Bronies may be a bit more unusual than most other things that challenge these values, but they're just one factor out of many that's creating this slow-but-steady cultural shift. In terms of how big of an impact bronies actually have on traditional values, they're far behind the LGBT-rights movement and the rise of secularism / atheism.
In other words, don't get a big head about it if you're a brony. Yes, our existence does have a notable impact on perceived gender roles. However, it's probably not nearly as much as you might think.
As for the topic, we bronies definitely do. Anyone outside the interwebz who first learns that a male likes MLP often immediately gets shunned or at least loses some respect from family and / or peers for liking something perceived as "girly". The whole "dude-bro" stereotype does indeed exist and it is expected on a cultural level that people fit into their perceived gender roles in any society, so having people do something that contrasts it so heavily like guys liking a show for little girls or ladies enjoying video games designed for males does indeed challenge traditional values.
However, we live in an age where traditional values are being challenged left and right. Bronies may be a bit more unusual than most other things that challenge these values, but they're just one factor out of many that's creating this slow-but-steady cultural shift. In terms of how big of an impact bronies actually have on traditional values, they're far behind the LGBT-rights movement and the rise of secularism / atheism.
In other words, don't get a big head about it if you're a brony. Yes, our existence does have a notable impact on perceived gender roles. However, it's probably not nearly as much as you might think.
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Powerpuff Girls was started as a short called 'Whoopass Stew!' its target audience always seemed to me to be teenagers and college students. I don't think bronies challenge masculine views as much as the pun-dents like to claim but they sure as hell challenge the notion that tv shows aimed at girls have to suck.Susan Arendt said:
Allow me to explain, from a guys perspective it seems like there are essentially three kinds of shows for females. Ones aimed at kids, which will feature cartoon characters who are usually either barbie type girls or some variation of show that is exclusively tea parties. Ones aimed at teens which will almost always be some from of high school drama thing. Finally ones aimed at adults which consist of older women talking about fucking the fireman, shows such as sex in the city and any variation of real house wives. Obviously I haven't watched said shows, this is just an outsiders perspective. Anyway then comes something like MLP that is aimed at girls but also good? Mind = blown... Oh, a shiny object...
Where was I... oh yeah, and that is why, oh look, 'Papo and Yo' is up for preorder on steam, Imma go do that.
Challenging masculine value would imply that I recognize certain values as "masculine." Masculine and feminine are made-up concepts that exist only in society, not in any *actual* sense. So I'm not challenging masculine values as much as I am recognizing that there are no such things as "masculine values."
Yes, God forbid someone purchase merchandise related to media they enjoy. Do you own any t-shirts, posters, or anything else depicting bands, films, TV shows, games, or any other form of art or entertainment you enjoy? If you do, you're a hypocrite.MichiganMuscle77 said:
Speaking as a fan: Eh, I don't think so.
I'd imagine it re-defines the show more than it defines masculinity. It turns the show from a cartoon for little girls into a family-friendly program that anybody can enjoy, if they're willing to drop their preconceptions of the show. That's how Faust usually makes her shows, she doesn't like to target ONE audience, she likes to draw in as many people as possible.
Anyway.
I know a lot of people on the internet don't agree with this sentiment but personally, watching a tv show doesn't change who you are in my eyes. Granted, I have A LOT more to bond over if we share this interest, what with the show having a good number of episodes and the immeasurably IMMENSE amount of fan work to talk about. But that's just bonding over a common interest, I personally don't think we're pioneers of social change.
I'd imagine it re-defines the show more than it defines masculinity. It turns the show from a cartoon for little girls into a family-friendly program that anybody can enjoy, if they're willing to drop their preconceptions of the show. That's how Faust usually makes her shows, she doesn't like to target ONE audience, she likes to draw in as many people as possible.
Anyway.
I know a lot of people on the internet don't agree with this sentiment but personally, watching a tv show doesn't change who you are in my eyes. Granted, I have A LOT more to bond over if we share this interest, what with the show having a good number of episodes and the immeasurably IMMENSE amount of fan work to talk about. But that's just bonding over a common interest, I personally don't think we're pioneers of social change.