Do bronies challenge traditional masculine values?
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I've watched some and enough. What in the hell is everybody raving about, people? Sesame Fucking Street already taught me about friendship. Yes, having friends is cool! "Oh and look, you shouldn't judge people immediately, there's always more than meets the eye". How innovative. This is Rugrats 101 for crying out loud. What're we acting like we discovered fire all over with this show? And don't tell me it's the animation. They use the same kind of crap Flash animation you see in any pop up ad.FireAza said:
No, it does not. Not in the slightest. In order to do that the average 'Brony' would need to already be identified as masculine but, by their nature, they are not. Bronies are generally not masculine men, in not being masculine men how can they "challenge" how masculinity is perceived?V da Mighty Taco said:
I used to think the same thing, until I watched Dan Vs and Sonic Rainboom. At first it felt off, like something wasn't there. Then I started to look more closely at the smaller bits. I have a whole new appreciation for the show now, as I'm now starting to see how with almost every single movement there's a lot going on. When someone raises their head in Dan Vs, their neck lengthens and their head goes up. When someone does in FiM you see the subtleties of the rest of their body moving with their head, which give a more organic and natural feel.Johnny Novgorod said:
Another good example is to watch old Garry's Mod shorts and then Source Filmmaker shorts. There are a lot of small things that make SFM look a lot better.
Um, what? What do you mean by "by their nature, they are not (masculine)"? Excuse me if I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems like you're implying that most male bronies are not viewed as fairly normal males before they became a brony, which is flat-out not true and is incredibly prejudiced. As I said before, male bronies typically get shunned or at least lose a lot of respect from family and / or peers once the news gets out that they like a little girl's show, primarily because it's seen as something a grown man in particular should not do. This doesn't really apply to female bronies to anywhere near the same degree, as them liking a little girl's show is viewed as far more acceptable. Hence, males liking the show defies what is seen as specifically acceptable for males to do and by definition challenges the established gender roles. Can you tell me where my argument falls apart here?Abomination said:
I actually agree with you on the whole "it teaches you good lessons about friendship!" thing, because obviously anyone should already know this stuff. However, that's not why I like the show, my primary reasons are the humor and the animation. Yes, the animation. While it is made with Flash, as with anything else, it's not the tools that makes something good, it's what you do with them. In the case of MLP, it has a stylish art style and quite detailed and fluid animation for something made in Flash.Johnny Novgorod said:
Yes because male bronies are not known for being terribly masculine - and it has nothing to do with how they like My Little Pony or not, it is the other factors. Factors like joining some pseudo-club on the internet, discussing a cartoon with fanatical devotion on the internet; the average and stereotypical brony (ignoring their appreciation for a cartoon aimed at girls) does not conjure the image of a masculine male.V da Mighty Taco said:
That being said, a masculine male who does call himself a brony would challenge traditional masculine values as an individual. As a group bronys do not due to the average representative of said group not being particularly masculine.
Oh, hey. Someone wins a cookie.wizzy555 said:
...I'd give you a cookie, but there's this whole thing about physical distance and the downsides to mailing food... oh, and the fact I'm kind of lazy. Tell you what: When you eat your next cookie, think of that guy on the internet who agreed with you.
There's effectivly no way that Bronies as a whole would singlehandedly topple any and all stereotypes about masculinity in the eyes of the public. But the word is challenge, not change. Make sure you never confuse the two.
As far as any particular challenge goes, we're challenging it all right. It's a laughable challenge to be sure, but we're not exactly a political rights group. Our primary objective is not to achieve this change, so we don't actually apply any pressure to it. That's not what we want to do.
The very fact we exist at all is what applies the challenge. It isn't just the odd freak; that statistical outlier who proves the rule because you can point and say "normal people aren't like him".
We exist in consistent numbers. And some of us are actually normal dudes who happen to like the ponies. That's the point and the whole of the point: barring the topic at hand there is nothing to differentiate us from the rest of the population.
If we are not an insignificant statistical deviance, then we are officially evidence to the contrary. Small evidence, yes.
We're not the largest of fanbases. We may not change the stereotypes, nor do we even care enough to try, but the point is: we're there.
And if there is but one person in society who has previously accepted the stereotype separating "pretty pastel ponies" from "masculinity", who has changed their mind about this upon meeting a brony, then you can say it has been challenged.
Oh, and by the way: it's been challenged.
OP, you're right! Our perception of masculine and feminine ideals changes every few decades. I myself consider MLP the best thing that a man can enjoy.
When there are ton of pictures and a few videos of male fans cumming on MLP toys/doll and pictures...There's even a flash game where you can fuck raindow dash...I don't think so
When there are ton of pictures and a few videos of male fans cumming on MLP toys/doll and pictures...There's even a flash game where you can fuck raindow dash...I don't think so
Rule 34 exists for EVRYTHING. Ponies are by no means the weirdest thing for people to fantasize about.mad825 said:OP, you're right! Our perception of masculine and feminine ideals changes every few decades. I myself consider MLP the best thing that a man can enjoy.
When there are ton of pictures and a few videos of male fans cumming on MLP toys/doll and pictures...There's even a flash game where you can fuck raindow dash...I don't think so
Spare me from that rule 34 jargon. There are people who actually fancy them sexually explicitly as characters not the fact they might have a pair of tits and a hole drawn on.kailus13 said:Rule 34 exists for EVRYTHING. Ponies are by no means the weirdest thing for people to fantasize about.mad825 said:OP, you're right! Our perception of masculine and feminine ideals changes every few decades. I myself consider MLP the best thing that a man can enjoy.
When there are ton of pictures and a few videos of male fans cumming on MLP toys/doll and pictures...There's even a flash game where you can fuck raindow dash...I don't think so
+1 for show producers being able to characterise successfully, then.mad825 said:Spare me from that rule 34 jargon. There are people who actually fancy them sexually explicitly as characters not the fact they might have a pair of tits and a hole drawn on.kailus13 said:Rule 34 exists for EVRYTHING. Ponies are by no means the weirdest thing for people to fantasize about.mad825 said:OP, you're right! Our perception of masculine and feminine ideals changes every few decades. I myself consider MLP the best thing that a man can enjoy.
When there are ton of pictures and a few videos of male fans cumming on MLP toys/doll and pictures...There's even a flash game where you can fuck raindow dash...I don't think so
Before MLP there were furries, before that there was likely something else. Anything with a large enough fanbase will have people fancying them as characters.mad825 said:Spare me from that rule 34 jargon. There are people who actually fancy them sexually explicitly as characters not the fact they might have a pair of tits and a hole drawn on.kailus13 said:Rule 34 exists for EVRYTHING. Ponies are by no means the weirdest thing for people to fantasize about.mad825 said:OP, you're right! Our perception of masculine and feminine ideals changes every few decades. I myself consider MLP the best thing that a man can enjoy.
When there are ton of pictures and a few videos of male fans cumming on MLP toys/doll and pictures...There's even a flash game where you can fuck raindow dash...I don't think so
I agree with the above, but I don't understand why people feel threatened by a bunch of dudes watching a show for little girls. To each their own I say.Legion said:
BTW what anime is that gif from? It looks rad as hell.
Eh, I suppose you're right...As a general rule; people are stupid. When they're are other people, people do stupid things although to go on to say it's curing cancer is pretentious when it's just wank material.kailus13 said:
Bronies are challenging nothing other than forming a social group where people can have fun .I see a chav wear a pink polo shirt, that's socially challenging.
Well i can't speak for others but i think it's not as much feeling threatened as being confused. Adults being fans of a show like MLP is simply confusing to me. And the fact that we're constantly reminded of it through pics or avatars... well... some end up going on angry rants. Personally if people like it it's their right but i still think it's pwetty weirdExcelsior789 said: