Do gamers have the balls to force a crash???

[freaper]

100$ games? I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of all the 20$ quality games I'm installing. You can ALWAYS choose what to buy. Even if a game you'd like to play has a 100$ price tag you'll still be able to play it at some point, just wait it out. There are so many options at your disposal, there's no need to wish for a market crash. Jesus...

 

[shrekfan246]

True dat. It's a shame, I've been wanting to try out the Fire Emblem series for a while, and was hoping that Awakening would be a good place to start, having recently bought a 3DS... hopefully some day I'll seeit for less than £30

Awakening is pretty darn good, as it so happens. Friendly to new players, as well, what with all of the easy modes they allow you to select. D:

On Topic: I don't think gamers have the balls, look at what Valve are able to get away with on PC, despite everyone opposing DRM when it was first introduced, now the sheep just let themselves get dicked over.

You know, I feel like I just did this the other day... oh wait, I did:

every year the sheep buy it.

All right, I get how silly and fun it is to demean people who dare to enjoy games you don't like, but can we please stop referring to human beings as livestock now?

I seriously have a hard time believing anyone on the internet has any semblance of empathy anymore. Our own content creators from LoadingReadyRun have even stated that they get angry, frothing e-mails from people, respond to them rationally, and then get a subsequent response from the person saying "Oh, sorry, I didn't realize someone was actually going to read this!"

So, next time you feel like openly mocking another person over some incredibly petty thing like enjoying a sports video game, stop and remind yourself "Hey, that's a real human being on the receiving end of my post."

Am I going to just have to make a generic "Stop calling humans sheep" template for use in situations like this?

Yes, Steam is DRM. And obviously there is no difference between Steam and, say, the DRM that Blizzard used for Diablo III, or Ubisoft used for all of their PC games between 2007-2011. Nope, there's absolutely no positives to using Steam as a platform for purchasing video games, and it's all just people mindlessly consuming with no regards for anything ever because nobody else has the presence of mind to realize they're just getting "dicked over".

 

[clippen05]

No, a crash orchestrated by gamers will never happen. Why? Because the majority of people don't care about what is happening in the industry: they don't care about online passes, they don't care about microtransactions, they don't care about whatever bullshit some company tries to implement; all they care about is buying a game and playing it. People like us, on the forums voicing our opinions over 'injustices,' are in the minority.

 

[Something Amyss]

Really bad premise here. It's not about guts or balls, it's about comfort with the market, desire and gratification,

Microtransactions, in a word, and if you think they can be 'ignored' your playing into their hands

My not playing into they're hands. My not buying any game that practices such a thing.

But at the same time, until this actually happens, you're just crying wolf on a slippery slope. You need more than "WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!" if you want to actually convince people.

However, it also highlights one of the biggest problems.

*ahem*

It's not all or nothing!

I mean, Jeez Leweez, we don't have to crash the industry to see change. We just have to stop buying bad products. And you know what? EA has seen the results of their practices lower their profits, and they've responded. They're not perfect, but they're changing. Because companies don't need to be threatened with collapse to change.

So, let me get this straight: You desire the job loss and livelihood loss of potentially hundreds of thousands of people all because the boss of some of those people decided to follow a business model you just assume is wrong because you, personally, don't feel like paying as much money as they are asking for for all the content?

The well-being of employees who may or may not even be treated/paid well is a really bad argument to prop up bad business practices.

It may feel good to think it's all a matter of guts, but it's a matter of organization and the cost versus the reward. Lack of organization is generally a pretty good reason to not join in on something that requires many people since it suggests likely failure. If you need people all acting together you need organization or for things to be so bad they're all doing it on their own. I imagine the latter case is not very likely at the moment.

Also, you have to want the same thing. If the state of the market exists because people are satisfied with the service, you'll never get anywhere. And even the people who ***** buy the games, so on some level, they must feel it's worth the money.

I mean, unless EA and Activision and all those other companies are holding people for ransom to ensure game sales....

...OMG. They totally are, aren't they? It all makes sense!

But seriously, you can get as organised as you want. If people like what they're getting, it's not even cost vs reward anymore. and right or wrong, they feel the way they do.

People have to want change as much as they want anything else.

 

[The Enquirer]

Next gen games

Can we please stop calling this stuff "Next gen"? Its no longer next generation. It's current generation. It is out and on the marketplace. Ps3 and the 360 are previous generation now.

OT: Yes, they do. Sadly there will be people such as Pc gamers that don't pay quite such absurdly high prices for their games much of the time, or the used console market, which I suspect may get much higher use this generation than previously. So it is a matter of whether or not the used market can cause that big of a dent and gamers are just flat out willing to pay that much. I think they will go through cash much faster and be unable to actually pay for as many games if microtransactions become standardized.

EDIT: Do I think people will? No, nope, nada, no way no how do I think people will. All I think would happen is people buy less games. I mean these people in charge are smart. They make stupid decisions but people but the game anyway.

 

[Drauger]

Nope as sad as it sounds, the industry has been pushing and pushing and I don't see a backlash from consumers yet.

But hey, since I'm mostly gaming on Nintendo consoles and my PC I don't deal with this problem.

Ohh you ! of course you don't have to worry for Nintendo using microtransactions, they'll find out about microtransactions, and decent online play in a console generation or two xD

 

[Eve Charm]

Meh it won't crash, you'll just see more small developers get bought out or go bankrupt While if times get tough the bigger companies will just cut back or make cheaper yearly titles.

Not all games will do microtransactions, not all games will do dlc, And frankly they are going to be the ones that die off first when people rather wait to pay 20 or 30 for a game they were hoping to get 60 bucks for. Crash no, but the coming of paying for half a game then the rest later is already here.

Farewell rune factory.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

A crash is the last thing we need.
The is industry fine at the moment and gamers just love finding something to complain about for no reason.
Perhaps if the developers got feedback other than "you suck" and other forms of complaints they could make a positive change.

For all the use of fancy words, 'boycotting' things is just a way you people justify having a tantrum over nothing.

 

[Signa]

I don't want a crash as much as a reboot and reformat.

That said, I have the balls (read: backlog) for a crash, so yes, I do, but gamers don't.

 

[Something Amyss]

Yes, Steam is DRM. And obviously there is no difference between Steam and, say, the DRM that Blizzard used for Diablo III, or Ubisoft used for all of their PC games between 2007-2011. Nope, there's absolutely no positives to using Steam as a platform for purchasing video games, and it's all just people mindlessly consuming with no regards for anything ever because nobody else has the presence of mind to realize they're just getting "dicked over".

I'm steering wide away from the whole "sheeple" thing since I find it ridiculous, but keep in mind that a lot of people don't qualify that a certain kind of DRM is bad. They're all "down with Origin because it's DRM! Ooh, Steam sale!"

Hell, using Origin as an example (and Origin is a shitty service comparably, but that's not the point), people were bitching about Origin over TOU terms that exist within Steam itself. There may be positives to buying with steam, but that doesn't inherently negate his point. People who hate DRM almost to the point of militism will still jump on Steam sales. People hate corporate behaviour but will turn a blind eye when it's convenient to them.

 

[shrekfan246]

Yes, Steam is DRM. And obviously there is no difference between Steam and, say, the DRM that Blizzard used for Diablo III, or Ubisoft used for all of their PC games between 2007-2011. Nope, there's absolutely no positives to using Steam as a platform for purchasing video games, and it's all just people mindlessly consuming with no regards for anything ever because nobody else has the presence of mind to realize they're just getting "dicked over".

I'm steering wide away from the whole "sheeple" thing since I find it ridiculous, but keep in mind that a lot of people don't qualify that a certain kind of DRM is bad. They're all "down with Origin because it's DRM! Ooh, Steam sale!"

Hell, using Origin as an example (and Origin is a shitty service comparably, but that's not the point), people were bitching about Origin over TOU terms that exist within Steam itself. There may be positives to buying with steam, but that doesn't inherently negate his point. People who hate DRM almost to the point of militism will still jump on Steam sales. People hate corporate behaviour but will turn a blind eye when it's convenient to them.

Yeah, I realize that, I'm just sick of the cynical "Everyone else in the world is a bleating, brainless consumer, and I alone know better" mentality that seems so ever present within the internet. I'm tired of people using pointless, petty things such as "They use Steam" or "They buy sports games" to jump off and start demeaning great swaths of other 'gamers' with swift, broad strokes. I'm tired of simple preferences being turned against somebody so that someone else can scoff and feel superior because of reasons.

I should probably just leave the internet, thinking about it.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Yes, Steam is DRM. And obviously there is no difference between Steam and, say, the DRM that Blizzard used for Diablo III, or Ubisoft used for all of their PC games between 2007-2011.

Well, Steam isn't always-online, actually works most of the time and doesn't force a shitty real-money auction house.

But yeah, Steam is DRM. Holding up the "Down with DRM!" banner and then praising Steam is at least a bit hypocritical.

 

[Neyon]

Boycotting micro transactions is one thing, crashing the market is another thing entirely. However gamers lack the motivation and organization to do anything like this.

 

[Robert Marrs]

We don't need a crash. We just need to show companies that we will not participate in micro-transactions, day 1 dlc etc. When those things don't make them money they will stop implementing them.

 

[Vylox]

Yes, Steam is DRM. And obviously there is no difference between Steam and, say, the DRM that Blizzard used for Diablo III, or Ubisoft used for all of their PC games between 2007-2011. Nope, there's absolutely no positives to using Steam as a platform for purchasing video games, and it's all just people mindlessly consuming with no regards for anything ever because nobody else has the presence of mind to realize they're just getting "dicked over".

I'm steering wide away from the whole "sheeple" thing since I find it ridiculous, but keep in mind that a lot of people don't qualify that a certain kind of DRM is bad. They're all "down with Origin because it's DRM! Ooh, Steam sale!"

Hell, using Origin as an example (and Origin is a shitty service comparably, but that's not the point), people were bitching about Origin over TOU terms that exist within Steam itself. There may be positives to buying with steam, but that doesn't inherently negate his point. People who hate DRM almost to the point of militism will still jump on Steam sales. People hate corporate behaviour but will turn a blind eye when it's convenient to them.

I seem to agree with you...

Thankfully, the only DRM stuff I ever deal with is for always online free to play games on my tablet......
No steam, no origins, nothing by EA, no Activision/Blizzard, no Ubisoft....

Beginning to think I'm weird here...



Long live recycled Pokemon!

 

[Doom972]

No need to force a crash. Just get a PC. Behold the ridiculously cheap prices of the Steam Autumn Sale [http://steampowered.com]!

Alternatives are out there. Just pick the one that fits your needs.

 

[thewatergamer]

More than 60$ is where I draw the line, 100$ is way over that line, On disc or day 1 DLC is a dealbreaker for me, microtransactions I can deal with if they are handled properly and are not forced and completely optional as well as make sense (i.e. an MMO with no sub fee or a F2P game), which these days seems increasingly rare...

so yeah if this shit gets any worse instead of better, I am sticking with current gen thank you very much, or I will take my buisness to whoever isn't pulling this BS

No need to force a crash, since as soon as more and more people stop buying next gen games, the crash will just come automatically, hell a crash is inevitable at this point for at least some companies, even if they did do a complete 180 and suddenly became every consumers dream-company

 

[lacktheknack]

I haven't spent $100 on a game in ever.

I haven't spent $30+ on a game in YEARS.

Gamers don't have the self-control to cause a crash, because:

A: you need some pretty freaking massive self-control to dive head-first into the Grand Canyon, and

B: they don't have the self-control to wait for sales.

 

[TheSteeleStrap]

If not buying every last thing they want us to buy is the same as a crash, then who's fault is that?

 

[MHR]

I've got 2900 hours in Team Fortress 2 and I've spent less than 15 dollars on the free portion and it was all on Mann-up tickets which are a relatively small expense. The people that pay heavily into micro transactions are the ones making those games cheap for the rest of us. I played Guild Wars 2 heavily for hundreds of hours and never spent a dime on their real-money gimmicks.

People choose to buy into those micro transactions and they obviously think it's worth paying for them. Forcing a "crash" just to save these people from their own stupidity wouldn't solve a damn thing and it would cause some would-be-decent games to fail pointlessly.

And any ideas of price-gouging will become irrelevant in the face of Steam sales. Once people wise up and start following the PC gaming master race, Exclusive titles will be a thing of the past and $60+ dollar games will be the exception to the rule when everyone who cares about their dollars can wait for one of the many sales. Developers will be at the mercy of the gamer's dollar rather than the gamer's dollar at the mercy of the console.

Rejoice! Pay reverence unto GabeN and he shall provide thine Steam-sales divine!