Do people have souls???
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No I don?t believe in a soul.
I?m not even sure what people think a soul is, as far as I?m aware their isn?t a solid definition. Any characteristics people try to contribute the soul have shown to be function of the brain and are affected as the brain is affected. For instance people, having suffered brain damage, have come out the other side totally different; including things like personality and even how they think and process information.
So when people say the soul move on to something else after death I do kind of wonder what that means. It certainly isn?t our memory or anything that might be recognisable as us.
I?m not even sure what people think a soul is, as far as I?m aware their isn?t a solid definition. Any characteristics people try to contribute the soul have shown to be function of the brain and are affected as the brain is affected. For instance people, having suffered brain damage, have come out the other side totally different; including things like personality and even how they think and process information.
So when people say the soul move on to something else after death I do kind of wonder what that means. It certainly isn?t our memory or anything that might be recognisable as us.
I dont really know exactly how define soul but the way i see it if you have the abiity the reason to think consiously to know that you exist then yes you have something although if you have some mental ilness then it must be defined differently but i believe everything on and in this world has a soul because you have to believe something i just dont want to think bout my body rotting in a cofin when i die.
Absolutely no way to tell. Me, I go with cessation of existence when it comes to death, but I have no answer to your question.
I'm mostly with science, but there's a lot we don't know. Yet. (I hope)
I'm mostly with science, but there's a lot we don't know. Yet. (I hope)
I'm kind of conflicted. I highly doubt that we have souls, and yet I think we do.
Not to be depressing, but my grandfather passed away last month. After being in the hospital and comatose for nearly three weeks with no real hope of recovery, my grandmother decided to take him off life support. I was there for his final moments, and after he passed, it felt like the room had become empty. It might've just been my emotions getting to me, but I couldn't feel his presence anymore. I sat there for about half an hour and the more I stared at his body the more it felt as though I wasn't really looking at anybody I knew. The grandfather I had known was gone, and all that remained was his cast-away shell.
Like I said, that very well could've been me just being emotional during the moment. I am an atheist, but it's hard to say that I didn't feel something leave him in those moments. So while I really don't believe in them, I would like to think that I'm wrong.
Not to be depressing, but my grandfather passed away last month. After being in the hospital and comatose for nearly three weeks with no real hope of recovery, my grandmother decided to take him off life support. I was there for his final moments, and after he passed, it felt like the room had become empty. It might've just been my emotions getting to me, but I couldn't feel his presence anymore. I sat there for about half an hour and the more I stared at his body the more it felt as though I wasn't really looking at anybody I knew. The grandfather I had known was gone, and all that remained was his cast-away shell.
Like I said, that very well could've been me just being emotional during the moment. I am an atheist, but it's hard to say that I didn't feel something leave him in those moments. So while I really don't believe in them, I would like to think that I'm wrong.
no and don't follow your heart because it just pumps blood through your body follow your mind. does that mean that our decision should be cold logic HELL no every emotion you feel is the same as before the fact is the stupid things people do is due to their brain any chose you have taken due to emotions is due to your brain when you cry due to lose that is due to your brain. your brain isn't cold logic it is everything you are complex, every emotion you will ever feel or have field, every memory you have and understanding it will find out the point of live not searching for some imaginary soul.
I'm an atheist and I'm in no way spiritual so no, I don't believe there is a soul. I've got nothing against people who do believe that as long as they don't push their belief onto others.
Hmm...surely if it's not driven by physical events, then then it IS an argument for our existence outside our bodies (given the language, however, it does not actually relate independance from the mind... in fact Descartes was even stated to have located the soul in...[stay on target])Dags90 said:
I did state there were flaws with it, but nonetheless the fact that it is an a priori statement makes it really hard to ignore. I would like to hear some of these flaws you mentioned (or hinted at) fleshed out in more detail however.
Supernatural apects affecting natural aspects sounds interesting enough, but I believe that is more of a generalisation that (to some extent) includes the argument I mentioned (if you regard supernatural as something outside of our 'world') and the idea of non-physical activities affecting physical ones is just a development of theories founded on the idea of a soul, and of course that relates to Descartes' argument.
In conclusion, It seems to me that Descartes' argument IS indeed relevant to this topic (which is why I posted it in the first place), but I will admit that I took it fairly out of context when I said that the 'thinking thing' in the simplest form being the soul, although I believe that's how Descartes would have put it anyway, considering he is a theist.
Kind of reminds me of when I was reading about Albert Einstein. Apologies if this is in the thread but 100+ posting threads tend to cause my eyes to blur. He said that he believed that there were souls, but in a different context then religion. He said that energy cannot be created nor destroyed and therefore the energy in our bodies that starts us up is the soul and that when we die, that energy goes out into the universe, whether it be into plants or animals or whatever.
Not the most eloquent way for me to put out the point, but I'm sure you all get it.
Not the most eloquent way for me to put out the point, but I'm sure you all get it.
No they dont they are hollow husks that are controlled by the radiation of the universe which then is isolated with in the husk and then molded to form an intelligent life form all very simple really.
You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.
C. S. Lewis
I believe we all have souls, that's part of what makes humans unique.
And some things will never be proven by science. Having a soul is one of those things. I think it's pretty useless to even bring science up in these sorts of questions, because it's just an easy way out. "Well, we've never actually seen any souls, so... I guess they don't exist!" or "Well, you can't prove God exists, so... I guess he's out the picture too."
C. S. Lewis
I believe we all have souls, that's part of what makes humans unique.
And some things will never be proven by science. Having a soul is one of those things. I think it's pretty useless to even bring science up in these sorts of questions, because it's just an easy way out. "Well, we've never actually seen any souls, so... I guess they don't exist!" or "Well, you can't prove God exists, so... I guess he's out the picture too."
Really depends on how your defining soul, but I would say no as the burden of proof for some sorta "me-ness" that departs on death has not been met.
I would like to think so, but I'm not sure either way. For me it is connected to the issue of whether we can genuinely feel emotion for others, or whether we simply feel for them based on their influence on us, i.e. when a friend dies you feel sad because you will not be able to enjoy their friendship in the future rather then you fill sad for them directly. After a lot of thought and reasoning which, for the sake of not derailing the thread I won't put down here, I came to the conclusion that you are not emotionally limited to how things effect you, but can genuinely feel for others. It is mainly this conclusion that leads me to still harbour a belief that there may be some sort of other factor, such as a soul, in humanity. Also, I am an atheist, if it matters.
Nope.
It's that simple.
Did you know that personality doesn't actually exist? It is just a combination of memories and qenetic tendencies. True story!
althouqh that could be what personality is defined as you know what ill qive it the benefit of the doubt and just chanqe the definition of personality there we qo all set
It's that simple.
Did you know that personality doesn't actually exist? It is just a combination of memories and qenetic tendencies. True story!
althouqh that could be what personality is defined as you know what ill qive it the benefit of the doubt and just chanqe the definition of personality there we qo all set
The soul is a human made phenomenon based on nothing, but the belief that we're something mroe than animals.
We can feel love that makes us superior, we can feel joy, that makes us superior, we are humans therefor we have souls.
It's all a big load of bullshit if you ask me though. We believe in soul because of religion. Religion is created to explain things they lacked technology and knowledge to explain. The soul was created to understand why we weren't animals. The truth is that we are animals. We live based on instincts, but we've evolved more complex minds than any other species on Earth as far as we know. That's why we don't want to admit it. When we fall in love that's our instincts for reproduction kicking in. That makes the brain give us chemical signals on how we should feel.
The magic is dead for me, but I am glad some here can still believe in it. I hope that the cold dark world wont be enough to crush the minds of those who believe.
We can feel love that makes us superior, we can feel joy, that makes us superior, we are humans therefor we have souls.
It's all a big load of bullshit if you ask me though. We believe in soul because of religion. Religion is created to explain things they lacked technology and knowledge to explain. The soul was created to understand why we weren't animals. The truth is that we are animals. We live based on instincts, but we've evolved more complex minds than any other species on Earth as far as we know. That's why we don't want to admit it. When we fall in love that's our instincts for reproduction kicking in. That makes the brain give us chemical signals on how we should feel.
The magic is dead for me, but I am glad some here can still believe in it. I hope that the cold dark world wont be enough to crush the minds of those who believe.
He did apologize for the bad English up front.Irony said:
