Do you find incest wrong?

[llubtoille]

So long as it does not create a child (gotta keep up that genetic diversity after all) i don't particularly mind.

Pretty much,
Tho more for the immediate childs sake than concern for long term genetic stagnation.

 

[Firetaffer]

The act of having sex and loving a brother/sister? Not at all.
The act of having children with a brother/sister? Yes, solely because of the possible case of that child being ill in one way or another.

 

[-Dragmire-]

According to the bible we all descend from on father and one mother, adam and eve. If that is not example enough for you, noahs arc. I believe this conversation is done.

Weird thing about Adam and Eve:

They had 2 sons, Cain and Abel

And:

Despite these later traditional beliefs of perpetual wandering, according to the earlier Book of Jubilees (chapter 4) Cain settled down, marrying his sister, Awan, resulting in his first son, Enoch (considered to be different from the more famous Enoch), approximately 196 years after the creation of Adam. Cain then established the first city, naming it after his son, built a house, and lived there until it collapsed on him, killing him in the same year that Adam died.

Weird eh?

Or it could have been from the fact that Cain killed Abel in a jealous rage.

I was kind of adding to your comment on descending from Adam and Eve with the quote containing Cain marrying his sister and having a kid... I took the whole quote because I felt it was an interesting read.

With that in mind, I'm not sure what Cain killing Abel has to do with this.

 

[InfiniteSingularity]

If you can look at your younger sister like this, then you've got some wires crossed somewhere. There're so many other people out there in the world, why would you even do it?

Honestly, I don't think there's an excuse for it. Something's simply not right in your head if you do this. Same if you have sex with animals. You're missing some screws.

I'm glad you said it. This isn't a knee jerk reaction, either. Genetic diversity was always a good argument against it, but the fact is that it's still wrong. Emotional attachment based on what should normally be a platonic relationship is unhealthy, and will likely cause continuing emotional issues. Humans are biologically wired to subconsciously think of sex for the procreation, even if it doesn't necessarily lead to procreation. They are also biologically wired to protect genetic diversity. Therefore, if neither warning light is blinking, the wires are crossed, which means that other wires are probably crossed too.

Here's another way to look at it: Society deems it as bad, normally. It's not a societal lag like homosexuality, either; it's a severe social taboo. People normally feel remorse, not because something is necessarily bad, but because society deems it bad. If a person is not feeling remorse, they're sociopaths (sociopaths are not necessarily violent, they just don't feel remorse). If a person is feeling remorse, then that remorse is going to be causing them to function abnormally, and can leave lasting mental effects.

The two above together combine to make only a fraction of the argument against incest. This really isn't a "If it's not bothering me" type thing. Sure, I'm fine with live and let live on issues. If an incestuous relationship is occurring, it's not my job or place to deal with it. It may not be hurting me, it most certainly IS hurting someone, whether they realize it or not.

On a completely different note, the reason I quoted the above post is because he said that it's wrong. There's a lot of push nowadays to just turn your head and ignore everything so long as it isn't hurting anyone else. We need more people who are willing to just say "Yeah it's wrong." Is it hurting anyone? No. Is it still wrong? Yep.

A lot of arbitrary ideas here. You seem to have a very one sided view on human nature. It sounds like you just made up a lot of bullshit to try and justify your point.

I don't see anything inherently "wrong" with it. It may be a bit "weird", or "strange", and the ethics may be questionable, but I don't see how it can be absolutely wrong. There's no rule that says it's hurting someone, no matter what - that's all bullshit as well.

This is a very idealistic and one sided argument. "We need more people to say it's wrong". Why? Why do we need to care about people's personal/family affairs? If it makes people happy, why take it away from them because of some arbitrary idea that it's just inherently "wrong"? I think that's wrong

Incest is wrong. My argument? A father and daughter having sex. A mother and son have sex.

And as for the people who say its okay as long as they use procreation? Are you seriously okay with the above? If you found and your sibling and parent were going at it, with a condom, would you be okay with it?

I wouldn't want them using procreation. But as long as they're using protection it's fine.

When incest crosses generations I'll be honest I find it sick. Yeah I think it's wrong. But I don't care, and I'm not about to tell people it's wrong. There's no fact, only opinion. Benefit of the doubt.

 

[Sentox6]

I dunno, never tried.

A related question, though, do you find the idea of sisters (preferably twins) having sex to be less wrong than other forms of incest? Alot of people seem to for some reason.

For some people, it seems that the degree of objectionability is strongly correlated with the level of aesthetic appeal.

Personally, I find incest between brothers equally wrong on the basis of religious convictions, although I'll admit it's not as visually offputting. If you base your objections on genetics, though, then same-sex incest wouldn't be wrong at all.

Still, I don't think it really matters once you reach second-cousin separation.

 

[ScreamingNinja]

I'm starting to agree with some of the other guise on here. 'Hey, it's okay to fuck your sister, woop-woo! It don't hurt no body!'

Really? And if you like cutting yourself to the bone and bleeding out everywhere, it's okay, because it don't hurt no body! Because you're into it, so that makes it okay.

So that guy loves to have sex with that dog over there! It's alright, the Dog seems to be enjoying it, none of my buisness!

You can't just sit off to the side and let sick shit happen, people. Seriously. Everyone needs some form of morality and rules to live by, where you find them is your buisness. But if you can't tell something that's inherently wrong, then I feel sorry for you.

 

[tthor]

to an extent. The main reason incest is wrong is because inbreeding leads to genetic deformities in offspring (and since we don't want little children being stuck with webbed feet or mentally impaired etc, we don't want siblings humping.)

but as long as they never have children, I am kinda ok with it. Tho i can't help but wonder if siblings falling in love with eachother might be a sign of some deeper emotional/psychological problems.. I'll need to research this,

 

[Phisi]

Not really, love is love and if they want to have sex then they can if they want as long as it is between two consenting consentable people but I think that they should be responsible for any problems a child, assuming they have one, has as the risk is considerably high and there are other alternatives e.g. adoption and IVF. I have no right to interfere with what people want to do as long as it harms nobody which I think is a major problem in our society, too many people believe that other people should stop what they are doing when they are not harming anyone because it is against their principles e.g. Gay marriage, gender roles and even which religion to practice. If you think that homosexuality is wrong then don't be homosexual but don't force others to not be homosexual as they may believe different and it doesn't effect you. This is the same philosophy I have used for my opinion on incest.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

Morally wrong? Uh, well, no, I don't see any reason why it could be considered an evil or reprehensible act, but my upbringing in modern society has deeply imprinted a reflexive disgust at the notion... one that I'm quite content to leave thoroughly ingrained in my psyche for the rest of my existence.

Unless, that is, I find out that I've got a ridiculously hot third cousin (or second, but that's... pushing it) from a foreign country that models lingerie and thinks I'm the suavest sonovagun on the planet. I, uh, might have to reevaluate my stance under those circumstances; it'd probably just boil down to whether I think the taboo would make it gross, or make it a special kind of hot. I mean, if she's got an accent... that's like... disqualifies the whole "related" thing anyway, cuz, they like... do that where she's from. That seems like a rural Ukrainian thing, right? If I've got an underwear-model third cousin from rural Ukraine, definitely, in a haystack.

 

[wfpdk]

not really. I'm not the one trying to bone my family members so it's none of my business how other feel about each other. if someone in my family was into incest I would surely give them unending amounts of shit for it but i would never take a true, honest moral standing for or against something because it's taboo.

 

[tobi the good boy]

Uhm, really? This many people seem to think that having a root with someone related to you is perfectly reasonable?

The very Idea is pretty off putting, this combined with the fact that it's Illegal has lead to my conclusion that, Yes. It is wrong.

 

[tkioz]

It's one of the few taboos that still make sense in a modern context. A lot of people don't realise that what they consider "silly" religious conventions such as not eating pork or having blood transfusions originate from times when it was a very very good idea to avoid doing those things (the blood transfusion thing was taken from "imbibe" human blood).

Granted a lot of those taboos have lost their relevance, but some haven't, such as incest, it's still a very very bad idea, it's harmful emotionally (there have been studies) and genetically.

 

[Filiecs]

Perfectly fine to me, then again I'm also okay with certain forms of beastiality, pedophelia (as long as they stick to masterbation), and homosexuality. (Ironically, this is took the longest to get 100% used to)

What DOES make me slightly worried, however, is when people say that people like me have mental issues or are going to doom the future of humanity.

You just grouped people who are gay in with people who fuck children and people who fuck animals. Yeah, I think you do have some issues to sort out.

First of all, pedophiles do not fuck children, child molesters do. Secondly, so what if I grouped gays into the same group as every other sexual attraction, I said I was okay with it, didn't I? The only reason I was uncomfortable with it was because of my damn religion. (Which I changed)
Furthermore, I'd rather live in a society where people can express their personal preferences (as long as they do not violate our natural rights) then a society where people are jailed and shipped off to mental institutions just because of thoughts and preferences that do not harm other people. I am not going to argue about beastiality because that is not the point of this thread.

Stop trying to make it seem like I support the violation of human rights and the torture of animals, because that is not the case.

 

[HassEsser]

My mind says no but my body says yeessss. . .

srsmode: as long as its siblings/cousins and no babies are made, then I couldn't care less, just, please, count me out.

 

[Jandau]

Depends.

First of all, I'm assuming we're talking more along the lines of cousins or brother-sister, not 50 year old guy and his 10 year old daughter.

So if we take a fairly normal pair of people who love each other and just happen to be related, I'm generally fine with it. Even with them having kids.

However, only on an individual basis. The genetic consequences of inbreeding generally take more than one generation to get bad, a single generation of inbreeding shouldn't result in anything major (or anything at all), especially if the relation isn't too direct (cousins, half-bother/sister, etc.). I do object to systematic inbreeding through multiple generations, since that's where the trouble starts...

 

[Joepow]

Uhm, really? This many people seem to think that having a root with someone related to you is perfectly reasonable?

The very Idea is pretty off putting, this combined with the fact that it's Illegal has lead to my conclusion that, Yes. It is wrong.

You know, some time ago, this arguement could be used for homosexuality.

 

[ScreamingNinja]

Perfectly fine to me, then again I'm also okay with certain forms of beastiality, pedophelia (as long as they stick to masterbation), and homosexuality. (Ironically, this is took the longest to get 100% used to)

What DOES make me slightly worried, however, is when people say that people like me have mental issues or are going to doom the future of humanity.

You just grouped people who are gay in with people who fuck children and people who fuck animals. Yeah, I think you do have some issues to sort out.

First of all, pedophiles do not fuck children, child molesters do. Secondly, so what if I grouped gays into the same group as every other sexual attraction, I said I was okay with it, didn't I? The only reason I was uncomfortable with it was because of my damn religion. (Which I changed)
Furthermore, I'd rather live in a society where people can express their personal preferences (as long as they do not violate our natural rights) then a society where people are jailed and shipped off to mental institutions just because of thoughts and preferences that do not harm other people. I am not going to argue about beastiality because that is not the point of this thread.

Stop trying to make it seem like I support the violation of human rights and the torture of animals, because that is not the case.

Sorry brah, but if you're fine with people wacking off to kids, then you've still got some issues.

 

[stormcrow5]

As long as no kids are born into it, I say its fine

 

[Secret world leader (shhh)]

As long as no kids come out of it, I don't see why people object to it so much other than "EWW! IT'S WEIRD!!!". While I don't see how anyone could be attracted to their sister or something, I think what goes on between rwo consenting adults blah de blah blah.

 

[Vakz]

What goes on in the bedroom of two consenting adults is of no business to anyway else.

This comes with a huge "BUT!" of course.

BUT! Obviously, it would be quite terrible if it resulted in a child. Since genetics don't like siblings or other close family producing offspring, it's quite an issue.

I suppose you could legalize incest between same-sex people? Then again, it is legal for people with genetic diseases (that would be diseases who may pass on to your children, for those of you who do not have English as first language) to have children; even those who are almost guaranteed to cause problems for their children, so I guess to some degree it's not THAT bad if two people who are close family has children? Discussing this with a genetics-expert would probably be a better idea.