Do you find incest wrong?

[FalloutJack]

-Oh, a Shadowrun fan-

I don't know what you're talking about. I was referring to the madness, the murder, and the physical inconvenience.

 

[Nouw]

I'm quite disgusted by it but with the consent of two adults, it's not morally wrong.

 

[redeemer09]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lffwR5-U0YE what is this?fuck everything with a hole day?were the christians right? do i have force my self to give them a cookie for being right?

 

[Robert Sanders]

People's disgust with incest is based off social norms which are based off years of observation of interbreeding and all that stuff. Since we have the technology/intelligence to prevent mutations and stuff ? be it surrogate mother/father or just adopting a child it should not be a problem at all. Social norms are slow to change but eventually they will.

A lot of animals seem to have behavioral safeguards in place to prevent inbreeding,(like a male lion or elephant being forced from the family unit at a certain age.) As far as societal norms go, most siblings that are raised together have a natural aversion to each other sexually when they start to mature sexually. This is without mom or dad having to tell them.

 

[iblis666]

I'm honestly surprised that nobody seems to have commented about the Westermark effect, yet.

Personally, I'll have to say that I agree with most people on here: If they both consent, then it's fine. Seeing all of the knee-jerk reactions on here is a little disturbing, to be honest.

Wow, it seems like people are willing to fuck anything these days. What's next? Pets? "Ohh, but the puppy loves its owner, and s/he's willing, I don't see anything wrong with that! You're too closed minded!"

You've got to be socially retarded if all you're able to shag are siblings. They will most likely have kids because "they love each other enough". We let this go on, soon we'll be researching ways to cater to the created abominations. Then we'll see a population explosive of mental retards from related parents that don't know how to stick their head out from under the rock they live in. I don't look forward to speaking herp derp in the future.

With the House of Usher in mind, I have strong disagreements with incest. If you ask me why, I suggest you start reading, and then ask me again.

couldnt care less as long as no children are produced from the act

on the other hand if they do produce children than i believe that they and the child need to be castrated

Honestly, genetic purity is becoming less and less of an issue these days, and seeing some of the other forum posters react with disgust and hate to this topic bears some chilling resemblances to anti-black and anti-gay movements. Not exactly the same, sure, but when you start thinking that children need to be killed to maintain genetic 'purity' (even jokingly) then you should really take a step back and try to rethink your position.

i would say for me at least it isnt genetic purity but serious genetic health conditions that i have a problem with(well that and mental retardation but thats mostly because my retarded cousin has tried to kill me a few times)

 

[electric_warrior]

If you agree to be given a vasectomy/tubes tied, then yes it should be allowed. I think its wrong, personally, but that shouldn't mean anything.

 

[Filiecs]

I'm starting to agree with some of the other guise on here. 'Hey, it's okay to fuck your sister, woop-woo! It don't hurt no body!'

Really? And if you like cutting yourself to the bone and bleeding out everywhere, it's okay, because it don't hurt no body! Because you're into it, so that makes it okay.

So that guy loves to have sex with that dog over there! It's alright, the Dog seems to be enjoying it, none of my buisness!

You can't just sit off to the side and let sick shit happen, people. Seriously. Everyone needs some form of morality and rules to live by, where you find them is your buisness. But if you can't tell something that's inherently wrong, then I feel sorry for you.

We DO need to have a sense of morality, it is what drives us forward and what makes us human and our morality and free will are what give us our natural rights in the first place. However, It makes me sad whenever I see people basing what is "right" and what is "wrong" off of their morals (what is good and bad) rather than basing what is good and bad off of our natural rights. If leaders always put what they though was good and bad before what they knew was right then we would live like animals in a survival of the fittest society.

Good point, but how do you decide what is 'right and wrong' without using your own morals as a compass? Everyone has rights.. To a point. Somethings are just wrong, and that's it. I'm not talking about religion here, I only believe in the Golden Throne(Because hey, why not, right? ) But since we've had people point out that you won't have retarded children, that doesn't make this any less wrong.

Edit: Last reply for tonight.

Natural rights define what is right and wrong. We have natural rights because our genetic makeup grants us both the ability for free will and the ability for moral and ethical decisions. If we did NOT have natural rights then their would be no reason for empathy and only the most physically capable would get his way. However, we can see from history that this is not the case and that leaders HAVE been empathetic and selfless. This is what gives us our rights to life, liberty, and property because without them we could not have progressed past our survuval of the fittest society.

 

[Hitokiri_Gensai]

wait its wrong? oops.


xD hahahahahahahahaha kidding, of course, well mostly.

I say, who cares, let people do whatever.

 

[Glass Joe]

If you can look at your younger sister like this, then you've got some wires crossed somewhere. There're so many other people out there in the world, why would you even do it?

Honestly, I don't think there's an excuse for it. Something's simply not right in your head if you do this. Same if you have sex with animals. You're missing some screws.

I'm glad you said it. This isn't a knee jerk reaction, either. Genetic diversity was always a good argument against it, but the fact is that it's still wrong. Emotional attachment based on what should normally be a platonic relationship is unhealthy, and will likely cause continuing emotional issues. Humans are biologically wired to subconsciously think of sex for the procreation, even if it doesn't necessarily lead to procreation. They are also biologically wired to protect genetic diversity. Therefore, if neither warning light is blinking, the wires are crossed, which means that other wires are probably crossed too.

Here's another way to look at it: Society deems it as bad, normally. It's not a societal lag like homosexuality, either; it's a severe social taboo. People normally feel remorse, not because something is necessarily bad, but because society deems it bad. If a person is not feeling remorse, they're sociopaths (sociopaths are not necessarily violent, they just don't feel remorse). If a person is feeling remorse, then that remorse is going to be causing them to function abnormally, and can leave lasting mental effects.

The two above together combine to make only a fraction of the argument against incest. This really isn't a "If it's not bothering me" type thing. Sure, I'm fine with live and let live on issues. If an incestuous relationship is occurring, it's not my job or place to deal with it. It may not be hurting me, it most certainly IS hurting someone, whether they realize it or not.

On a completely different note, the reason I quoted the above post is because he said that it's wrong. There's a lot of push nowadays to just turn your head and ignore everything so long as it isn't hurting anyone else. We need more people who are willing to just say "Yeah it's wrong." Is it hurting anyone? No. Is it still wrong? Yep.

Thanks for the back up. I was talking to a friend about it today, and he made a good point. 'If you were in a room and you knew a brother/sister combo were going at it in the next room, would you be fine with that?'

Honestly? I can't believe anyone WOULD be fine with that. And this whole 'It's their buisness!' Doesn't cut it. How could anyone simply not feel the wrong-ness of something like this? The same goes for someone having sex with an animal. No, I'm sorry. You're not a animal in a human's body. You're a human, and since you've made the choice to go have sex with an animal, then you're a fucked up human at that.

Same with incest. I look at my brothers and sisters and realize I have to protect them, Not stick my cock in them.

So uh I could guess I could see some confused horny kids having fantasies about incest, but I have to agree that something is seriously fucked up in your head if you're in love with your sister. I'm all for equal rights and shit, but family is supposed to stick together and support each other not fuck each other. The emotion that lovers share can't merge with the bond between siblings. As soon as you're in love, you just can't be siblings anymore. Why kill that bond? Find a real girl to love and have your family too.

 

[Samurai Silhouette]

I'm honestly surprised that nobody seems to have commented about the Westermark effect, yet.

Personally, I'll have to say that I agree with most people on here: If they both consent, then it's fine. Seeing all of the knee-jerk reactions on here is a little disturbing, to be honest.

Wow, it seems like people are willing to fuck anything these days. What's next? Pets? "Ohh, but the puppy loves its owner, and s/he's willing, I don't see anything wrong with that! You're too closed minded!"

You've got to be socially retarded if all you're able to shag are siblings. They will most likely have kids because "they love each other enough". We let this go on, soon we'll be researching ways to cater to the created abominations. Then we'll see a population explosive of mental retards from related parents that don't know how to stick their head out from under the rock they live in. I don't look forward to speaking herp derp in the future.

Honestly, genetic purity is becoming less and less of an issue these days, and seeing some of the other forum posters react with disgust and hate to this topic bears some chilling resemblances to anti-black and anti-gay movements. Not exactly the same, sure, but when you start thinking that children need to be killed to maintain genetic 'purity' (even jokingly) then you should really take a step back and try to rethink your position.

It's not just the genetic pitfalls. Ironically, incest will usher an closed minded society. So no, it's not like an anti-black/gay stance. For example, incest royalty wanting to keep a pure bloodline in power, or the nazis wanting to keep a pure, supreme race. The Nazi analogy, yet farfetched, is more related than your anti-black/gay argument. And seriously, should a father be turned on buy his daughter after raising her for 15, maybe 13 years? "Blah blah blah we're talking about consenting adults" think outside the box. If incest was legal, and the daughter doesn't think it's wrong, you can bet there will be several private incidents of pedo father-daughter incidents. What a way to grow up. We already have too many children fucking as it is. GG rap culture, GG.

 

[EeveeElectro]

I personally don't agree with it, although not many people on this site share my opinion.
Yeah, consulting adults and all that... but why family? Surely you can find someone who you aren't related to and start something with them. And the fact that it's illegal.
Maybe I was brought up differently or because of personal experience, whatever.

I don't mind too much with distant cousins, as I think it's legal to marry your cousin over here in the UK.

 

[Hugga_Bear]

I find the idea more than a little bizarre and repulsive but if they both consent, go ahead. I'd rather they didn't have kids though simply because of the innate issues with genetic problems.

 

[A-D.]

I just ran that Idea through my Head a couple of times. Not that someone would do it, rather the inherent Question as to what causes that attraction in the first place. The only thing i could come up with, in the case of twins was a odd form of Narcissism.

Anyways, otherwise its really a no brainer there. If you love your Sibling in such a Way and the Feelings are mutual, then go for it. As long as they dont plan on having Children, which is rather a Problem for the Child, not the Parents, that being they shouldnt risk the Health of a Kid on that.

If they love each other, let them be. The Stigma associated with Incest really is only because of Society. Its been basicly told to every single Person how wrong it is. How immoral it is and in the case of Religion, how you go to hell for it. Just because Society deems it very questionable at best and really bad at worst, it shouldnt stop you from being happy. As long as no one comes to harm due to it.

 

[Glass Joe]

Natural rights define what is right and wrong. We have natural rights because our genetic makeup grants us both the ability for free will and the ability for moral and ethical decisions. If we did NOT have natural rights then their would be no reason for empathy and only the most physically capable would get his way. However, we can see from history that this is not the case and that leaders HAVE been empathetic and selfless. This is what gives us our rights to life, liberty, and property because without them we could not have progressed past our survuval of the fittest society.

What's so free about depending on your family for sex? Free men don't shit where they eat. Someone sick enough to have sex with their family needs help whether they ask for it or not. I know if I were sick in my brain I would want help. Doubt I'd realize it until afterwards though.

 

[redeemer09]

I'm honestly surprised that nobody seems to have commented about the Westermark effect, yet.

Personally, I'll have to say that I agree with most people on here: If they both consent, then it's fine. Seeing all of the knee-jerk reactions on here is a little disturbing, to be honest.

Wow, it seems like people are willing to fuck anything these days. What's next? Pets? "Ohh, but the puppy loves its owner, and s/he's willing, I don't see anything wrong with that! You're too closed minded!"

You've got to be socially retarded if all you're able to shag are siblings. They will most likely have kids because "they love each other enough". We let this go on, soon we'll be researching ways to cater to the created abominations. Then we'll see a population explosive of mental retards from related parents that don't know how to stick their head out from under the rock they live in. I don't look forward to speaking herp derp in the future.

Honestly, genetic purity is becoming less and less of an issue these days, and seeing some of the other forum posters react with disgust and hate to this topic bears some chilling resemblances to anti-black and anti-gay movements. Not exactly the same, sure, but when you start thinking that children need to be killed to maintain genetic 'purity' (even jokingly) then you should really take a step back and try to rethink your position.

It's not just the genetic pitfalls. Ironically, incest will usher an closed minded society. So no, it's not like an anti-black/gay stance. For example, incest royalty wanting to keep a pure bloodline in power, or the nazis wanting to keep a pure, supreme race. The Nazi analogy, yet farfetched, is more related than your anti-black/gay argument. And seriously, should a father be turned on buy his daughter after raising her for 15, maybe 13 years? "Blah blah blah we're talking about consenting adults" think outside the box. If incest was legal, and the daughter doesn't think it's wrong, you can bet there will be several private incidents of pedo father-daughter incidents. What a way to grow up. We already have too many children fucking as it is. GG rap culture, GG.

my dear freind in this generation of "we can do anything becouse its teh cool" you stand out with logic and reign supreme

 

[someonehairy-ish]

Well, my knee-jerk reaction is GAAAHCREEPYSHITAAH

My follow-up reaction is still pretty much the same thing :/ the whole topic just made me shiver unintentionally, which is bad seeing as my neck is rather twingey atm...

EDIT; no, reading more responses didn't help. I think I'm gonna go browse something else...

 

[Joepow]

Condoms break ... bum holes don't?

Then they have an abortion.

 

[Leg End]

Incest? you must mean Wincest ami rite /b/rothers.

That about sums it up, but, I like complication.

OT: As long as it is between two consenting persons, there is no reason why it is wrong.
Gimme one, I darez you.
Love is love.

 

[StormShaun]

Frankly I wouldnt says its morally wrong but it may be gross to some people, I AM, well I I think that it is okay (for now), but if I was in THAT kind of situation I wouldnt know what to do.

Also Awkwaaaaaaard!

ALSO that damn man has been clapping for ages!!

 

[boyvirgo666]

Its not personally my thing but what 2 consenting adults do in private really isnt my business is it?