Do you find serial killers interesting?

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Sean Hollyman

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I just find reading about them, and what they did really interesting. Of course I'm not saying I actually enjoy the grisly stuff itself, but learning about the history of it and stuff.

Their motives, their beliefs, etc. Some of the stuff is grisly as shit, like Ed Gein and Jeffrey Dahmer.
 

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Serial killers? You mean, like, how Cousin Oliver arrived and subsequently killed all remaining interest that people had in The Brady Bunch?
 

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Honestly, I don't. I always hear the media talking about how people find serial killers fascinating, but personally I find them rather dull. They're mostly just nutjobs who were reasonably competent/lucky at getting away with murder. Just raise teenage angst to the Nth power and add a knife/gun, and boom, you've got a serial killer. Their beliefs generally seem pathetically irrational and egotistical; I don't have time for irrational egoists IRL, so why read about them?

Personally, I like reading about influential/powerful historical figures. It's interesting to read about the variety of perspectives/beliefs that existed among intelligent, capable individuals in different historical settings, and how they were able to act on those beliefs, often against determined and capable opposition. Part of it is probably that it allows me to entertain the "what would I have done in their shoes" question - an academically worthless proposal, no doubt, but entertaining nonetheless. For obvious reasons, I have no interest in asking that question about serial killers :p
 

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No, but they can inspire interesting stories surrounding their hunt & capture. I loved True Detective but if I had to single out the one disappointment was the serial killer itself...

... who turns out to be another Gein knock-off.
 

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I have a passing interest, partly because of the psychology and way of thinking these type of people have but I find the methods of deduction used by the police more interesting than the killers themselves. (and obviously a lot less disturbing).
Whilst on a trip to London I took a jack the ripper tour. It was given by a historian that really knew the finer points of the case, such as the police failures and the attitudes and feelings of people from the time.
All the theories and strange evidence and suspects and even a few confessions, made the whole thing truly twisted and bizarre.
Sadly the killer was never caught and the case is now (probably) unsolvable.
 

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I used to be super interested in stories about serial killers when I was at high school. Mainly because we had a web design class (don't know why to this day) and when we were done with our assignments we could just lurk on the internet. I read most of those stories there. I still find them interesting but in a more forensic / criminologic point of view.
 

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I like the sociological aspects of serial killers. And a bit of the psychological aspects. That said I also like historical figures in general.

But I've found serial killers interesting for the past 10 or so years. And have a few books on them.

My favourite book is Female Serial Killers: How and Why Women Become Monsters by Peter Vronsky it's quite interesting. I need to re-read it so I can remember why it's my favourite and interesting.
 

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In general? Not really...certainly not the anders breviks of the world and sick "2edgy 4u" people they inspire

I'm not big into crime it thrillers eather...that said American psycho was interesting (as is Hannibal lecter) there's also the movie "monster" which is less a serial killer film and more about how society treats women
 

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The people themselves aren't particularly interesting to me. But the sociological implications are. Thinking about how serial killers (or for that matter, terrorists, anarchists, etc) affect society is interesting. It's fascinating how these "characters" in society are simultaneously demonized and glorified. It's almost as if humanity recognizes an inherent need to "cull the herd", but at the same time can't justify that with the rules we've built up to protect our society.
 

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dyre said:
Honestly, I don't. I always hear the media talking about how people find serial killers fascinating, but personally I find them rather dull. They're mostly just nutjobs who were reasonably competent/lucky at getting away with murder. Just raise teenage angst to the Nth power and add a knife/gun, and boom, you've got a serial killer. Their beliefs generally seem pathetically irrational and egotistical; I don't have time for irrational egoists IRL, so why read about them?
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Particularly when people romanticise them into tragic figures who "don't fit into society" and they have insight into the flaws of society and normal people...almost to the pint they claim this weird moral high ground

Yeeeeeaaahhh no...dr lecter might interesting but he will still eat your face off

Avaholic03 said:
. It's fascinating how these "characters" in society are simultaneously demonized and glorified. It's almost as if humanity recognizes an inherent need to "cull the herd", but at the same time can't justify that with the rules we've built up to protect our society.
like this^
 

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Yes and no.

Do I find the science and psychology behind the mental illnesses that often cause people to become serial killers fascinating? Yes. Very.

Do I find the concept of having such a warped and distorted view of reality both intriguing and terrifying? Of course. Absolutely.

But do I find the serial killers, their acts, their motives, and their methodologies fascinating? Not even in the slightest. While many of them are sick (figuratively and literally), they're still repugnant human beings.

And I use "human" very loosely.
 

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I can't help but be interested in these people. Ted Bundy, Ed Gein, Jeffery Dahmer...I feel like I spelled a couple of those names wrong (which should indicate how much I really look into these people) but I love reading about the crimes they committed and indeed, the normal things they also happened to do in life.
 

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Queen Michael said:
Serial killers? You mean, like, how Cousin Oliver arrived and subsequently killed all remaining interest that people had in The Brady Bunch?
Cousin Oliver resents this but has never heard of the brady bunch, anyway, wish youd just talk to me about whatever the hell happened cos i sure as hell dont know, apart from something about circles and feeling like enlightenment, I tried saying sorry but if that isnt gonna work and i still havent got banned then, well, you can keep making snide remarks all you like but im pretty getting fairly immune to them.

I get it, I fucked up, but nothings unfuckupable, im sorry i upset your family. Maybe I should be banned but i dont really think so, the NSA are getting a lot of valuable information, and maybe watching a tiny little sapling break before it grows into a mighty oak tree could be entertaining, if you let it
 

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It's not a hobby of mine, or any kind of major interest, but I do find it interesting to try and understand their view points, and what makes them tick. What turned them to that path, why they did it, if they enjoyed it. All that kind of stuff. Trying to understand people who are mentally so different to your own self can be fascinating, for sure.
 

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I once read a book by a psychologist who also wrote thriller novels about serial killers. Even he, who's professional life revolved around entertaining people with stories of serial killers, admitted that real life serial killers were usually terrifically boring and often rather pathetic people. From what I can tell, most of them are just sex killers anyway. But in stories, they're transformed and glorified as some sort of elite order of vampire knights, with their own codenames and trademark weapons and a superhuman competence, toying with the mere mortals they hide among. It's kind of like how in horror movies and superhero stories nuclear radiation transforms you into into the hulk, as opposed to riddling you with tumors and leaving you trapped in a hospital bed.

I've been watching the Hannibal show a bit lately and it strikes me as a good example of this; they depict the world as a place where serial killers are just boiling out of the woodwork, launching a new assault against society every week as they swap notes with their "brothers" on their "tradecraft". It's fine there, because they stylize it enough where the show's universe seems like a bad-dream version of real life and can thus freely take liberties with such things, but Hannibal's general take on serial killers is hardly unique and is elsewhere (from what I can tell) often portrayed as "frighteningly realistic", as opposed to a heavily embellished aspect of a nightmarish contemporary fantasy.

My point is that fictional serial killers may be interesting, but that's because heavily liberties are taken, and it's important to remember the "fictional" part.
 

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Animyr said:
I once read a book by a psychologist who also wrote thriller novels about serial killers. Even he, who's professional life revolved around entertaining people with stories of serial killers, admitted that real life serial killers were usually terrifically boring and often rather pathetic people. From what I can tell, most of them are just sex killers anyway. But in stories, they're transformed and glorified as some sort of elite order of vampire knights, with their own codenames and trademark weapons and a superhuman competence, toying with the mere mortals they hide among. It's kind of like how in horror movies and superhero stories nuclear radiation transforms you into into the hulk, as opposed to riddling you with tumors and leaving you trapped in a hospital bed.

I've been watching the Hannibal show a bit lately and it strikes me as a good example of this; they depict the world as a place where serial killers are just boiling out of the woodwork, launching a new assault against society every week as they swap notes with their "brothers" on their "tradecraft". It's fine there, because they stylize it enough where the show's universe seems like a bad-dream version of real life and can thus freely take liberties with such things, but Hannibal's general take on serial killers is hardly unique and is elsewhere (from what I can tell) often portrayed as "frighteningly realistic", as opposed to a heavily embellished aspect of a nightmarish contemporary fantasy.

My point is that fictional serial killers may be interesting, but that's because heavily liberties are taken, and it's important to remember the "fictional" part.
Very much this. In fiction, putting on a stupid mask gives you superpowers, you can teleport behind victims for jump scares.

In reality, serial killers aren't remotely "glamorous" or whatever.
 

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I do find them interesting, mainly their 'reasons' for their crimes. I find they make an interesting point in the 'Nature versus Nurture' arguement.
 

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VoidWanderer said:
I do find them interesting, mainly their 'reasons' for their crimes. I find they make an interesting point in the 'Nature versus Nurture' arguement.
Same here. Their thought processes are very interesting, often twisted but at the same time logical in their own way. It's easy just to say 'nutjob with a knife' but most seem to have an origin leading back to childhood trauma or abuse, paired with some sort of revenge or hate narrative that boils over.
 

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Well, I'll say that I find crime, including killers, pretty fascinating, and that includes Serial Killers which are just one small part of it and oftentimes confused with spree killers and such in terms of terminology and such. Of course while I couldn't fully complete my studies for financial reasons and wound up not living my dream (ending up as Casino Security) I was a Criminal Justice: Forensics major, so that's probably a "duh" kind of thing for a lot of people who read my posts and know this. :)

One thing to understand about serial and spree killers is that they tend to both be sociopaths and sadists. A general sociopath (despite what Hollywood might tell you) isn't all that inherently harmfull, being sociopathic means being self-interested and not forming true relationships or having empathy with other people which basically comes down to someone being a selfish jerk (though you can be that without being a sociopath). Typically to become a recreational killer a Sociopath must also in some way benefit from hurting or killing people (it feels good for them to do so), such as being a sadist on top of being a sociopath. Those kinds of traits don't go together all that often, and more often the people that do have those traits usually aren't savvy enough to conceal them or otherwise fake empathy enough to blend into society (though some do, including the most successful serial killers). This is why despite society seeking an answer to why someone like say "BTK" would do what he did, and act the way he did when caught and brought to trial, they won't find one beyond what they have been told which pretty much means "I hurt and kill people because I like it". Something that is alien to people who to be honest might desire to hurt and kill people, but generally only with a motive (war, revenge, competition, to survive, etc...). As a general rule a sociopathic killer doesn't kill for hate, but for pleasure.

Part of the thing that makes Serials killers interesting is that unlike other murderers, the general "motive, method, opportunity" thing doesn't work in finding the perpetrator because they don't really have a visible motive. What's more if they are careful you have to look for patterns beyond the crime itself, this is why systems like the old VICAPS (there have been several since) were established for the police to better share records, and predict targets based on things like the least effort principle (ie if someone is going to get a quart of milk, they aren't going to drive 4 towns over to get it, they go to the corner store) meaning that you can find such killers in part by noticing people operating well outside of their normal "range of living" (ie someone hunting away from where they operate) or by simply looking at the area the killings take place and what they have in common and being able to deduce where the killer must be operating from. Of course this kind of thing is far from perfect.

At any rate I'm rambling. One thing I will point out is that one should not confuse being a vigilante with being a Serial killer. For the most part that's pretty much how they sell someone like "Dexter" and make him sympathetic. What's more with the way Dexter behaves, especially in later seasons, I'm not sure you can even truly call him a sociopath as much as simply being emotionally repressed. When you get past his creepy internal monologue, he's basically "The Punisher" on a smaller scale (and still working for the police. From the perspective of your typical person the idea of vigilantism is very exciting, although in real life it doesn't work out the way it does in fiction. To put it bluntly the system exists for a reason, and mob or vigilante justice always inevitably goes wrong... though it can make for good fiction.

What's more I'll also say that your most famous horror movie serial killers like Freddie Kreuger, Jason Voorhees, Michael Meyers, and the like are iconic because they are evil, but also because the stories they exist in are also sort of morality plays. The victims in horror movies are so annoying to the point of creating tropes (albeit much subverted ones) for a reason. The "bad guys" despite being evil are pretty much visiting justice on a bunch of annoying stereotypes. I mean sure, nobody *really* wants to see the annoying cheerleader have truly terrible things happen to her in real life, but when she annoys us we think it, and these movies are sort of meteting that out vicariously. For the most part in your typical horror movie the genuinely "good" people get away (or if there are none the monster wins). It's only a few horror movies, generally the heavily criticized ones, where bad things happen to good people, and you see innocent kids and such get ripped to pieces or whatever (which are more serious horror movies out to shock and disgust, but that's another discussion entirely). The point is that the overall production here doesn't generally come close to what real serial murder or spree killing is, because again, we can project a sort of motive or justification on it by the presentation of victims that deserve it. Indeed "Evil Dead" and "Cabin In The Woods" are both movies that stand out because they point out, and directly subvert this trope.

To put it bluntly, there really isn't anything redeeming about real serial killers, life isn't a scripted horror movie. These guys tend to be predators acting when they have an opportunity, and they do it for no other reason than their own gratification. In a lot of cases I'm familiar with where there seems to be some kind of deep delusion involved, I think the Serial killers might have been gaming the system (long story), although some might have been victims of non-sociopathic delusions and believed they were somehow doing the right thing. I personally suspect cases like the infamous "Zodiac" killer occurred because he presented himself as a delusional psycho following a pattern, but was making it up as he went along and simply created a way his latest victim could be traced to a previous one after the fact, so the police basically spent all their time trying to decipher a pattern that really wasn't there (but that's an opinion).

At any rate I'm rambling, the short version is that yes, this is something I've been fairly interested in. Along with thefts, fieldcraft (intelligence, etc...), and similar things. I've probably put a disturbing amount of time into thinking about this stuff, and even commented before that I thought it might be interesting to create a video game based around such things, though the point of such an exercise would be to pit player ingenuity against the investigative systems, techniques, and nets that exist out there. Just running around murdering people would just make it Grand Theft Auto with a butcher knife or whatever.
 

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I find them interesting the same way I find a car pile-up interesting. I'm interested in the facts and how they brought about the events that happened, but I'd not miss them one bit if they suddenly stopped existing.