There won't be a crash. All you can hope for is a large publisher that doesn't answer to shareholders. As in, an eccentric billionaire who loves videogames and sets an example for other publishers to follow. So ya, keep expecting microtransactions for used-to-be-free items in $60 games and traditionally single player games turned into "MMO's". Shareholders top question at a meeting: "How can you milk this for us?"
Do you hope for an industry crash?
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It really hasnt. While sure if you go specifically looking for similarities in games and ignore the vast majority of titles which are very different then you will find it. While sure there are a lot of sequels out there that does not mean the market is stagnating.ResonanceSD said:
Oh really? Have a look at the top selling games of 2012, and tell me if you find a wide variety of games with new ideas in them.Little Gray said:
Go on, I'll wait.
So what if the top selling games as similar? That doesnt actually prove anything other then that the community prefers a certain type of game. There are still tons of other widely different games being released every year.ResonanceSD said:
Seeing as how I'm from Australia where we have had an Industry crash (rising Aussie dollar didn't make as a worthwhile investment to foreign publishers) I'm going to say; Fucking No. It's bad enough if you even want a job, but do you know what happens when all the big studios die? Look no further than Australia where the only worthwhile thing we've produced in the last decade would probably be Fruit Ninja (and De Blob if I'm being generous).
Everybody thinks it'll be some new age of bloody enlightenment, but all that would come of a crash these days is simply a lot of years of shitty shallow games. iPhone games, iPhone games everywhere.
Everybody thinks it'll be some new age of bloody enlightenment, but all that would come of a crash these days is simply a lot of years of shitty shallow games. iPhone games, iPhone games everywhere.
Part of me thinks an industry crash would have been an ok thing to happen but people will lose their jobs and games in general would be set and cut back by this.
The real kicker to the crash would be as someone has already mentioned that Execs would easily be able to escape with massive bonuses and care packages and simply move to a different company/indsutry and thrive off that and ruin it without having learned the previous mistakes and then wind up back in this one and repeat it all over again.
Those are the ones that really need to learn and they shouldn't be able to get away with screwing an industry up only to get rewarded enough money for a lifetime and get to do it all over again because that shit ain't sane.
The real kicker to the crash would be as someone has already mentioned that Execs would easily be able to escape with massive bonuses and care packages and simply move to a different company/indsutry and thrive off that and ruin it without having learned the previous mistakes and then wind up back in this one and repeat it all over again.
Those are the ones that really need to learn and they shouldn't be able to get away with screwing an industry up only to get rewarded enough money for a lifetime and get to do it all over again because that shit ain't sane.
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1) people losing their jobs have been peddling bad content for years without penalty, time for all that to come back in the form of karma.
2) who the fuck would be stupid enough to ever hire those execs again? "oh wow, you crashed an entire company, come run ours instead"
you think a company going out of business is going to pay out a CEO? Do you have any idea what a shareholder is?
1. Why yes karma is indeed a good thing.ResonanceSD said:
2. never underestimate how stupid some people may be. (I cannot stress that hard enough)
3. And yes I do know what a shareholder is =).
I sure do diddly do. There won't be "no video games", there'll just be "no AAA games". And that's good, AAA publishers and developers are stuck in their own filth. Sure, it'll be sad to see a lot of people lose their jobs but that's kinda the price for adopting practices aimed specifically at punishing the honest consumer. In the 80s is was nothing but crap advertisements masquerading as an entertainment product... now it's filled with nonsense designed to make you spend the most amount you possibly have to for the same product you bought a year ago.
I say we should've all stopped buying from them when online passes were starting to be widely used but hey, I'm just a PC scrub, I guess.
I say we should've all stopped buying from them when online passes were starting to be widely used but hey, I'm just a PC scrub, I guess.
I'm a firm believer in the self regulating nature of the free market. If the industry crashes it does so because it should, and if it doesn't well then it's all good. My opinion doesn't matter, the collective wallet votes of all consumers is what does.
Only a crash where publishers with marketing practises I disagree with die. And if we're going to have a crash at all I suspect that will be the kind we get.
I mean, I'd love if EA cleaned up their act and became Valve on a bigger scale, but please. You'd have to replace most of the staff for that to even be possible.
I mean, I'd love if EA cleaned up their act and became Valve on a bigger scale, but please. You'd have to replace most of the staff for that to even be possible.
No I would not want a crash, but seeing as how all these talks about always online, more DRM, Day 1 DLC etc....I just don't see consumers putting up with it for much longer.
If not a crash, at very least a MASSIVE re-structuring of the publisher/developer relationship and the return of mid-range titles.
Because AAA isn't doing it for me any-more, Kickstarter is.
Because AAA isn't doing it for me any-more, Kickstarter is.
It doesn't have to be a crash, but I do wish that something big enough would happen that would get the AAA industry to treat their customers better and make quality products at a reasonable price - none of which is happening in the AAA industry right now.
Basically, I hope for a major change in the way the industry treats in customers, even if it means an industry crash.
Basically, I hope for a major change in the way the industry treats in customers, even if it means an industry crash.
1. There won't be a crash, at least not anything resembling what happened in the 80s. That happened because games sucked and no one wanted to play them. Considering we still consistently get games that sell several million copies, well, there's not much to explain.
2. If you think the AAA market is so irredeemably terrible that the entire thing should die, you should probably take a break from gaming forums for a week or two.
2. If you think the AAA market is so irredeemably terrible that the entire thing should die, you should probably take a break from gaming forums for a week or two.
This is terrible logic. Firstly loads and loads of people lose their jobs in a crash so hoping for one is bad.
Secondly there would be an entertainment black hole for years whilst we waiting for companies to slowly grow to fill the void.
Thirdly, when there's no money in games less people will try to become game developers, game developers will leave the industry because there are no jobs here and stable teams that have learned to work efficiently with each other will break up. So quality of games and our ability to produce quality games will go down
But most importantly, if a company is more competent, then that would be defined by their ability to outcompete the less competent people. So you wouldn't need a crash because they'd be making like Valve or CD Projekt and scoring huge profits, growing rapidly and building up a solid fanbase. If you can't do well as a company until EA dies, then it probably means that things aren't going to better under them than EA
Secondly there would be an entertainment black hole for years whilst we waiting for companies to slowly grow to fill the void.
Thirdly, when there's no money in games less people will try to become game developers, game developers will leave the industry because there are no jobs here and stable teams that have learned to work efficiently with each other will break up. So quality of games and our ability to produce quality games will go down
But most importantly, if a company is more competent, then that would be defined by their ability to outcompete the less competent people. So you wouldn't need a crash because they'd be making like Valve or CD Projekt and scoring huge profits, growing rapidly and building up a solid fanbase. If you can't do well as a company until EA dies, then it probably means that things aren't going to better under them than EA
Something is going to change within the next generation, like j-e-f-f-e-r-s said, triple-A gaming is just not sustainable.
Some people argue the pressures that caused the crash of 1983 no longer exist, but I'd say they still do and we are seeing a situation similar to that now.
Take Pac-man for the Atari 2600, it was rushed out and nowhere near as good as the arcade version. Atari estimated a huge number of sales but the quality of the rushed game drove away customers and they ended up selling half of their sales expectation. Doesn't this sound oddly familiar?
The main reason for the 1983 crash was the loss of customer confidence because of an explosion and saturation of new independent console manufacturers mixed with a drop in game quality from the best known producers of video games.
In essence Pac-Man for the Atari 2600 crashed gaming, nobody knew what was worth buying after that, if even Pac-Man is bad what could be good?
I really wonder if Simcity is EAs last fuck up before they truly decline in the same way, I mean really what haven't they fucked up as of late and what can we trust them not to fuck up within the next few years?
All we need is a few more consoles to enter the market at the same time as Sony and Microsoft(like the Piston and Ouya) for their projected sales to fall short and few rushed games on the magnitude of Simcity and we might very well be in a situation close to the 1983 crash.
I don't think we'll see that kind of a crash though, it all depends on how the industry reacts to the problem of rising costs and no security in sales numbers.
Some people argue the pressures that caused the crash of 1983 no longer exist, but I'd say they still do and we are seeing a situation similar to that now.
Take Pac-man for the Atari 2600, it was rushed out and nowhere near as good as the arcade version. Atari estimated a huge number of sales but the quality of the rushed game drove away customers and they ended up selling half of their sales expectation. Doesn't this sound oddly familiar?
The main reason for the 1983 crash was the loss of customer confidence because of an explosion and saturation of new independent console manufacturers mixed with a drop in game quality from the best known producers of video games.
In essence Pac-Man for the Atari 2600 crashed gaming, nobody knew what was worth buying after that, if even Pac-Man is bad what could be good?
I really wonder if Simcity is EAs last fuck up before they truly decline in the same way, I mean really what haven't they fucked up as of late and what can we trust them not to fuck up within the next few years?
All we need is a few more consoles to enter the market at the same time as Sony and Microsoft(like the Piston and Ouya) for their projected sales to fall short and few rushed games on the magnitude of Simcity and we might very well be in a situation close to the 1983 crash.
I don't think we'll see that kind of a crash though, it all depends on how the industry reacts to the problem of rising costs and no security in sales numbers.
