Do you think the harshness of the Hunter Exam is justified

axlryder

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Saltyk said:
axlryder said:
that world makes nooooo sense. You can tell Togashi just makes that shit up as he goes along. It's likely that he just develops an interest in some topic, reads up on it, and then incorporates it into is magical world where anything can happen.

This is a world where cell phones exist, but the first ship to take them to the mainland was an old fashioned sailing vessel.

It makes for a really interesting series, so long as you don't actually try to think about it.
In Final Fantasy, there are things like airships, cars and motorcycles, guns, prosthetic limbs, guns for prosthetic limbs, mechs, and Magitek Armor. But most of the characters use swords and one of the main forms of travel is a big yellow chicken.
Yes, and those worlds don't make sense either, obviously. That said, they do feel as though the creators of each game make decisions about how the whole world will operate from the beginning and follow through with them throughout the course of the design process, whereas with HxH I get the feeling that is not case for Togashi.

The whole start of the series makes it seem as though the most current technology that exist in the world are vehicles and weapons that existed since the 50s (I think someone might use a cordless phone during the hunter exam), yet much later we find that video games exist along with other modern devices. Despite this, the rich characters early in the series don't even own cell phones or other forms of modern technology. Even in third world/remote places, modern technology finds its way into the hands of the privileged as long as there is a link to societies beyond. What's more, there are other modern trappings even on the island Gon is from, such as metal bar stools with cushions and things like that, which leads you to believe that they at least do trade with more technologically advanced places. Also, Nen isn't even hinted at until far later in the series than what would be appropriate for such an integral part of hunter culture. Obviously it's a "secret", but there was very little foreshadowing for its actual existence, and Killua (from what I remember) not even knowing about it (which seemed totally ridiculous to me given his family).

Regardless, I love this series, and this is a very common/transparent phenomenon among better mangaka. You even see it in Berserk. If you spend a good chunk of your life dedicated to a single series, you're often going to have ideas or want to write about things that aren't strictly confined to the original scope/premise of that manga, especially if you're a creative person. However, since many times writing other things isn't really an option due to your crazy release schedule (not counting Togashi or Miura), you instead incorporate those things into your current series instead.

One piece does a good job with this because of its tone and the way the series is set up. There are rules and things, but the idea that the world is batshit crazy and anything can happen is practically woven into the fabric of it. Each island is practically its own little self-contained universe with plot threads linking it to the others.

That said, One Piece's equivalent of Nen not getting introduced or mentioned until as late it was in the series seemed way more ridiculous.
 

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Are we talking 'bout the first Volumes of the Manga [never watched the Anime]? Wow....this take me back in the old days which you had to download the scans from the group which translated them....
Anyone remembers a group with the name "SnoopyDog" or something similar? Man, that were awesome days when you didn't knew so many mangas existed.....

Anyway, yes, very violent, but I guess they had their fair warning before they continue, right? Plus if someone make it and claim the Hunter Badge, he/she can be ANYTHING!!! You have full access in anything you desire. Money, Jobs, Help, etc, ANYTHING.
 

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Uh, context for people who haven't watched the anime please?
In this case, we're probably not the target audience. Even if he told us, I doubt that words alone would do the conversation justice.
 

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Not at all. For a while I was sure that there must have other Hunters working behind the scenes to minimize damage while keeping up apparent threat level, especially after all that talk about rookies not passing for many years and whatnot, because as it turns out there sure as heck aren't that many people left to retake the exam.

It just doesn't make sense to kill so many people off in an exam. Don't we want more Hunters? Isn't that the purpose of the exam? These are some of the more promising people in the world and many of them may have been able to pass the exam after several more years of training if they weren't killed off at their first mistake, that is. What additional benefit is there to making the test so dangerous? It's pretty much just setting people up to be killed. I don't feel like there was proper warning at just how deadly the exam was either.

Honestly, I still don't even understand what it means to be a Hunter or why this organization even exists. A Hunter is a treasure hunter basically, or something? There don't seem to be any other obligations associated with being a Hunter, and the only people Hunters benefit are rich collectors pretty much. There doesn't seem to be any infrastructure in place to ensure that Hunters use their ability in an altruistic manner, and in fact, given that they have a license to murder the opposite seems to be true. Apparently the organization only exists to give people who are already incredibly strong even more power and the freedom and resources to use their power to do whatever they want?
PapaGreg096 said:
How would the information be spilled over in no time keep in mind nen is pretty much invisible to non nen users and the ones who get it by getting the receiving end of an attack most likely will get crippled. For all non nen users know Nen must be magic or techniques they know its a special skill but they don't know the mechanics of it so to them its basically magic.
Umm, the Heaven's Arena is basically televised fights between Nen users. How could anybody remain ignorant that super powerful fighting magic exists?

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Speaking of Heaven's Arena something always bothered me about it. If you don't register for a fight once when you are above the 200th floor then you have to start over from floor 1, if you do this twice then you just can't compete ever again. So if someone wanted to take a break from the arena (to train, for example, as fighters are wont to do) they just aren't allowed. Even worse they don't even pay these people! It's basically come fight here, every week, for free, or bugger off! How does this make any sense at all for a business that makes money off of showing fights? You would think they would want to get the most powerful and impressive fighters they can whenever they can get them and not place a load of arbitrary restrictions on them because "their commitment to the arena is questioned". The WWE would be groveling on the ground to get these people to fight for them!
 

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Drathnoxis said:
Not at all. For a while I was sure that there must have other Hunters working behind the scenes to minimize damage while keeping up apparent threat level, especially after all that talk about rookies not passing for many years and whatnot, because as it turns out there sure as heck aren't that many people left to retake the exam.

It just doesn't make sense to kill so many people off in an exam. Don't we want more Hunters? Isn't that the purpose of the exam? These are some of the more promising people in the world and many of them may have been able to pass the exam after several more years of training if they weren't killed off at their first mistake, that is. What additional benefit is there to making the test so dangerous? It's pretty much just setting people up to be killed. I don't feel like there was proper warning at just how deadly the exam was either.
Well they want good hunters quality over quanity so it makes since to weed out the weaklings whether it be disqualification or death for the Hunter Association it doesn't really make much of difference and so far they pretty much have enough Hunters to run a private organization where entire countries can't object on what they do. If they were promising they would've lived and tryed harder don't forget Hunters have a very dangerous job where they go up against dangerous creatures, environments, and people if these applicants can't survive this measly exam they can't survive being a Hunter as for the whole years of training stuff they should've done that before joining the exam. As for the proper warning most if not all of the examinees know that the Hunter Exam is a life threating exam where there is a good chance they will die so its their decision

Drathnoxis said:
Honestly, I still don't even understand what it means to be a Hunter or why this organization even exists. A Hunter is a treasure hunter basically, or something? There don't seem to be any other obligations associated with being a Hunter, and the only people Hunters benefit are rich collectors pretty much. There doesn't seem to be any infrastructure in place to ensure that Hunters use their ability in an altruistic manner, and in fact, given that they have a license to murder the opposite seems to be true. Apparently the organization only exists to give people who are already incredibly strong even more power and the freedom and resources to use their power to do whatever they want?
Well there is a shit ton of Hunters in this world that benefits other people besides rich assholes here are a list of hunters http://hunterxhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Hunter_Association also the Hunter Association never said they are the big good guys hell they never hide the fact they are amoral as all hell and Hunters can vary from person to person sometimes you get Kite and Sometimes you get Hisoka


PapaGreg096 said:
How would the information be spilled over in no time keep in mind nen is pretty much invisible to non nen users and the ones who get it by getting the receiving end of an attack most likely will get crippled. For all non nen users know Nen must be magic or techniques they know its a special skill but they don't know the mechanics of it so to them its basically magic.
Drathnoxis said:
Umm, the Heaven's Arena is basically televised fights between Nen users. How could anybody remain ignorant that super powerful fighting magic exists?
Well keep in mind Nen with the exception of Manipulation is invisible to normal people so while we see fighting magic the audience probably thinks the fighters here use some sort of magic.



Drathnoxis said:
Speaking of Heaven's Arena something always bothered me about it. If you don't register for a fight once when you are above the 200th floor then you have to start over from floor 1, if you do this twice then you just can't compete ever again. So if someone wanted to take a break from the arena (to train, for example, as fighters are wont to do) they just aren't allowed. Even worse they don't even pay these people! It's basically come fight here, every week, for free, or bugger off! How does this make any sense at all for a business that makes money off of showing fights? You would think they would want to get the most powerful and impressive fighters they can whenever they can get them and not place a load of arbitrary restrictions on them because "their commitment to the arena is questioned". The WWE would be groveling on the ground to get these people to fight for them!
Well by the 200th floor most of the fighter there probably don't really care much for money but more along the lines of fighting worthy opponents. Also when you become the floor master the whole have to fight 2 times becomes nonexistent
 

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Nothing about "hunters" makes sense, they're just a means to the end for the plot to make people do cool stuff.
Might as well call them wizards or ninjas.
 

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loa said:
Nothing about "hunters" makes sense, they're just a means to the end for the plot to make people do cool stuff.
Might as well call them wizards or ninjas.
Well hunt for stuff so Hunters kinda fit