Do you think the (online) gaming community is more toxic and hostile now than it was in the past?

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Buckets

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Definitely with games like WOW, instances used to be fun with Guildies, but Pick Up Groups were a bloody nightmare. You only occasionally found people that were patient and forgiving.
Hated being a healer with the mad rush to the next boss whilst trying to get some bloody mana back, with the dumbass tank shouting 'HEAL ME, F*****g N00b'. I usually dropped out after this kind of abuse, but got a sodding deserter buff which was a right pain in the butt.

It was a much less annoying community before they threw in the expansions, mainly due to most people being fairly new to the instances (except raiders (another story entirely)).
 

Gamerpalooza

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It all depends.

As a whole it never was.

Individually it is an expected reaction what happens in competitive games. You can't really control yourself in the heat of the moment.

As for more co-op ragers it's on a case by case basis and even then overall as long as everything goes well no one is being hurtful.

Yet when it does happen well by the tone and attitude you can already form an opinion on that individual yet that individual doesn't reflect the whole community or even a fraction of it.
 

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I don't know i avoid online multiplayer as much as possible because of bad experiences i had with it. Racism, sexism, Classism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia and all kinds of bs was plenty go around. So no thank you i stick to local multiplayer with friends
 

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Definitely yes!

Ok sure it was still bad in the past but now, we can get news of bad stuff that's happening in gaming or maybe back then they didn't think it was news worthy.
 

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I think it's gotten worse because of social media, but the actual online gaming experience hasn't really changed, or perhaps it's better than it was.

The actual gaming experience:
I remember when I first started playing games like StarCraft online, I quickly remade my account so that people wouldn't know I was a girl. I was like 11, and during some games I got strings of text describing explicit sexual acts along with the more general ****, *****, get back to the kitchen crap. I had no idea that girls weren't supposed to play games until I played online since my friends/family of both genders played. I really haven't played online games publicly much since I was a younger teen; everyone was just generally unpleasant, and it was hard to pretend to be a dude with a mic. So, if anything I think that part has either stayed about the same or been improved. I played LoadOut recently, and the worst insult I got was: lol u suk. Which was true. I was playing as a girl and everything.

Talking about games outside of gameplay:
I think social media has made it all-too-easy for people to spread obnoxious and hateful comments to strangers outside of the actual gaming experience. See, my friends and I would argue about games and compete to see who could beat games first or beat a high score, but we never threatened each other or had hateful arguments. I think it's because we actually knew and liked each other, and you had to say things face-to-face. Would anyone really tell a friend that he/she is a stupid worthless fanboy/girl if you don't agree on which console to get? Would anyone verbally threaten people who disagree with them in person over such a thing? I think not in most cases, and we had some pretty strong opinions on which consoles/games were best.
 

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Because I don't.

In recent years the behavior of gamers has been criticized by the (press) many a time. According to them, the community is toxic, intolerant towards different opinions, eager to make death threats and so on. A recurring thing I've noticed in many of these criticisms is the claim that it's only been getting worse ''in the most recent of years'', as Jim Sterling said in his Jimquisition-episode Joy Begets Anger.

I don't agree. The way I see it, the gaming community has always been toxic and hostile.

I've been frequenting online gaming forums for well over 10 years now - and that's a statement of fact, not bragging - and I remember plenty of toxicity even back then. Posting about how much I loved The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time was frequently met with sneering dismissal from devoted A Link to the Past-fans. My enjoyment of Final Fantasy X enraged people who thought the game couldn't hold a candle to Final Fantasy VII. I've been told I had crap taste, I've been told that I should be punched in the face, I've been told to die of cancer. The list goes on.

So when I see a Facebook comment like this on the aforementioned ''Joy Begets Anger''-video:

I can only speak from my own experiences so here goes-
It appears to me that the old school gaming community puts the modern gaming community to shame, the old school guys are passionate, enthusiastic, and they welcome discussion of games with open arms but not only are they willing to talk games, they are *happy* to 'talk games', there is none of this hateful rage or bickering, no whining and no complaining. Its all love, and everybody is every-bodies friend and that's because they know that they all share the same passion. They're the complete opposite of the modern gaming community, in every way.


I can't help but wonder what they're talking about.

P.S.:

Phew, even if this topic gets no replies I sure feel relieved to get this off my chest.
Yeah, gaming communities have always been filled with people more than willing to send death threats and the like to others they don't agree with.

Remember Jack Thompson? Remember how he received floods of death threats when he was trying to censor/ban violent videogames? Odds are you don't because the gaming media didn't consider it worth reporting. Mr. Thompson did receive death threats, but since most gamers didn't agree with what he was saying no one paid attention. Of course, once Thompson shot himself in the foot with his over zealous attacks on gaming and was disbarred from practicing law, he no longer became relavent and gaming lost its big boogyman. This is the rosy-cheecked period Jim was referring to here; there wasn't much hate going on in gaming circles because there was no one to hate, so the assholes stayed in their caves and no one paid attention to them.

Then Anita and other feminists show up and the assholes emerged from the cave spewing the same death threat shit that Thompson received and all of a sudden they became the center of attention. They always exsited, it's just that they were in hibernation for awhile.

And it's not like they weren't being assholes in the time between Thompson and Anita. They existed and were being assholes, it's just that they were dicks in their own circles so no one noticed. One a public enemy was establised, then their assholery spread to parts of the internet where everyone could see and all of a sudden people started caring, only because it started to effect them.

Something else to keep in mind: most people say the death threat sending trolls came from 4chan, but 4chan existed even before Thompson became the public enemy. The assholes existed, it's just that you never saw them and their actions were far from the public eye.
 

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I wouldn't know as by the time online gaming was taking off, I was still a kid playing various Nintendo games. The way I see it is that every online community has the possibility to become overtly hostile towards people.
 

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Overall? Yes, but for some obvious reasons.

People say DOTA and LoL communites are some of the worst. Well there's hardly any wonder when teamwork is absolutely essential to a victory which is not necessarily the case in other games. The individual's performance is largely affected by the ineptitude and sexual preferences of one's teammates.

The more people that get together, the more likely one attitude is to affect another, and negative attitudes are some of the strongest. Consider road rage. It's a lot easier to suddenly be angry at a complete stranger in a large sea of idiots and few consequences than it is to be senselessly angry at someone you know.

So yeah, today it's probably worse than it was 10-20 years ago, but I consider that to be expected.
 

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I can't say only because by the time Online Games game into play, I was already graduating high school and gone into the military. Now 2008 and onward... from my observation and personal experience, I know that the call of duty multiplayer on both Xbox and PS3 had some incredibly vicious folks from all walks of life from young men/women, young teens, and et al yelling out racially charged slurrs, cursing like my old Gunny Sgt and making him seem like a canonized saint.

One time I had to stop ask the pollution filled kid as to whether or not he even understood half the cuss words he was spewing before he got his other fellow travelers to kick me out of a game once.

After that, I couldn't participate any longer and now I usually turn off the mic et al. I've seen such things from all manner of Online Games, its just like many people don't believe the amount of drama that occurs at Chucky Cheese in certain cities.

What feeds it is the anonymity of it all. I doubt most of these online warriors and their E-Muscles would be seen face to face let alone be heard ( as one poster said, the Jekyll and Hyde effect) acting the way they do. I've had friends of many nationalities shut games off because of the high racial and sexual jokes/slurrs/put-downs.

I won't say its worse because there is no social data to go off of, but it is most certainly messed up out there.

I am very impressed and surprised with the amount of stable conversation I've found on this site thus far which is pretty rare for game oriented social boards --- most of the time, I was met with " why the f---k are you talking about this s----," or " You @#$#@$@#$@# mother @#$@#$#@$@#$. Xbox Rules! F@#$@#$ sony! ( and vice versa). Don't ever dare attempt to talk about an old game --- Ohhh man --- then you'll really get the troll-1000. You want a trip in hell? Try to participate in the VGF forum on Amazon. Or the IGN forms. You'll get it real quick.
 

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Tough to say. There's never been a shortage of assholes in the gaming community (I remember arguments about "claiming" next game on arcade machines), but mics make it a whole lot easier to hear them.

Back in my day, a good troll had to type out his insults in game and it was easy enough not to read that crap.
 

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I don't think the gaming community is especially toxic and hostile, there has always been a few people who are jerks though. For a few reasons it's more visible and taken more personally now.

Firstly, the rise of social media has meant that people who don't like one another also occupy the same basic spaces on the internet, you put someone like Anita Sarkesian in a place with a bunch of people who think she's out to ruin their hobby and of course it's going to end in abusive comments.

Secondly, there's just a lot more focus on the community side of gaming today, in 2000 you had battle.net, Kali, and a few forums, that was about it for the online gaming community -- now you've got many forums, and things like Xbox Live, PS Plus, and Steam which are way more social media like for want of a better description.

Thirdly, the integration of real identity to the internet through social media has a massive tendency to magnify things beyond the level that alias based communications did, some anonymous wanker making death threats didn't used to get so much time because it was the internet, everyone was behind an alias, and nobody gave a damn that XXFLAMER4239 just told everyone he was going to murder BuildMoreGrunts because he clearly had no means to do so unless BuildMoreGrunts had given out his address.
 

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Inglorious891 said:
Yeah, gaming communities have always been filled with people more than willing to send death threats and the like to others they don't agree with.

Remember Jack Thompson? Remember how he received floods of death threats when he was trying to censor/ban violent videogames? Odds are you don't because the gaming media didn't consider it worth reporting. Mr. Thompson did receive death threats, but since most gamers didn't agree with what he was saying no one paid attention.
That also bothers me. I've even seen people justify the death threats issued towards Jack Thompson as something ''necessary'' to ''protect gaming''. This is what The Escapist's own Moviebob said on the subject:

I think that was necessary at the time, in the same way that I think sometimes ''civil disobedience'' protests about far more important things DO have to break a window or vandalize a wall sometimes to get the point across: It was a ?war,? at least as much of one as the situation could allow, we did what we had to do at the time.

Source: http://moviebob.blogspot.nl/2014/09/a-long-post-about-gamergate.html

Something else to keep in mind: most people say the death threat sending trolls came from 4chan, but 4chan existed even before Thompson became the public enemy. The assholes existed, it's just that you never saw them and their actions were far from the public eye.
I don't like or visit 4chan, but even I'm getting sick of people using them as the one-size-fits-all bogeyman of the internet. The site's basically all villains to all people at this point.
 

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Yeah, I don't think so. I've never liked online (or arcade) game communities. They were always toxic and threw vitriolic comments at people for not "playing the right way", etc. The difference now is that it's bigger than it was. It's the same crap but with more people.

Should it stop, hell yes. If you can't handle other people playing the way they want online then you shouldn't be playing with them online. There is no reason a player should shit on new players just because they are new. No reason that common human mistakes should fuel overzealous rage against other individuals in online games. It's frustrating to play with a newbie at times, sure. But curse off your microphone or keep it under control until later. Complaining about it right there isn't going to change the mistake that occurred. It's only going to negatively affect the individual and tarnish any kind of team work you hoped to have with them.

And competitive scenes? Worse than above. Never have I heard the most ignorant crap thrown around at people. Don't get me wrong, joking shit talk can be fun as long as everyone is in on it. But shit talk just for the sake of it, or for worse? Not really acceptable to me. I haven't played online competitively since Gears of War (yes the first one). That and past experience before that, taught me more than I needed to know. It's not worth the constant bs and aggravation. It's just to the point of demeaning.
 

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The world has gotten a lot worse in the past decade+ which is fueling a lot of unhappiness which then spills over into internet culture. If we take that out of the equation the internet and gaming culture have gotten a lot better.

Usenet for example, which was a midpoint between BBSes (Bulletin Board Systems) and the modern forums and social media, was a cesspool of bickering and bile, just a step up from Obi Wan's "wretched hive of scum and villainy". It was a much more freewheeling "live and let insult" culture than the modern internet, where for the most part people go out of their way to be nice to each other.

This was back when trash talking was big in basketball, and it was similar to that culture - everyone insulted everyone not in their inner circle and nobody got too upset about it - instead of getting upset we would just think up a better insult. I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

We've left the Wild West of the internet behind - even 4chan is a pale imitation of those days, except for the technological improvements that have led to the proliferation of images and videos. This is a much more civilized age.

I find the irony here startling - it's the old timers, those of us who have been called every name in the book, my own personal favorite being labeled a "Douchebag from Mars", who are jaded and treat the recent improvement in culture as a nice surprise, while the young people are shocked by the "terrible" nature of the internet and decry the anonymity that encourages it, not realizing that it was FAR worse back in the Wild West days.

These days 4chan is known for being "lawless", but back in the day the entire internet was lawless. We just had to do all of our bad behavior through text - there was no goatse.cx (though that emerged directly out of the culture of the time).

But really, we didn't take the internet nearly as SERIOUSLY then as people do now, who treat it as more important than their "real lives". For us, the internet was always separate from traditional reality, a place where we went to experiment and let loose - for many to explore their "dark side". This was also far before corporations had much presence on the internet and government spying was nearly nonexistent, so people had no pressure to "uphold their reputation".

The problem is that the internet has become so ubiquitous, so surveilled, where everybody knows everything about everyone that nobody can just relax. Nobody can relax when everyone is always watching. There is NO PRIVACY on the modern internet, something that very rarely is mentioned by so called "internet critics". Combined with the ever increasing importance of the internet this is a recipe for cultural disaster.

There was a lot more roleplaying back in the day, real roleplaying, not the modern version that merely describes a leveling/upgrade system, where people would take on an alternate persona. There was an entire genre of multiplayer game, the object-oriented MUD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOO devoted to actual roleplaying.

People frequently took on different personas on Usenet, on forums, and in games - a practice being actively destroyed by Facebook and Twitter. For all of their good practical points, Facebook and Twitter have made the internet really fucking boring.

There's a certain culture clash between old-timers who have a lot of appreciation for the Wild West days and internet newcomers who treat the internet as an extension of their meatbag lives, and who all too frequently don't understand what they've lost when all eyes began watching them, since everyone who has no memories of the 1980s or before has never lived in a non-surveillance state.
I would say that I agree with this. Despite our claims that the West is this wonderful innovative place of dreams. It isn't. Life only ever gets more stressful and frustrating and that is partly due to corporatist capitalism and governmental issues that trickle down, always, to the average person. This then makes it to the people down in the chair playing the games we play. And I'm sure there are constant issues. Solve the systemic problems lower the tension and stress we endure in day to day life and I'll bet that we'd see happier more stress-free individuals that are happier gamers as well. There is a part that the persons must play in this as well, but a bulk of it is likely stress and frustrations.
 

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Uriel_Hayabusa said:
Inglorious891 said:
Yeah, gaming communities have always been filled with people more than willing to send death threats and the like to others they don't agree with.

Remember Jack Thompson? Remember how he received floods of death threats when he was trying to censor/ban violent videogames? Odds are you don't because the gaming media didn't consider it worth reporting. Mr. Thompson did receive death threats, but since most gamers didn't agree with what he was saying no one paid attention.
That also bothers me. I've even seen people justify the death threats issued towards Jack Thompson as something ''necessary'' to ''protect gaming''. This is what The Escapist's own Moviebob said on the subject:

I think that was necessary at the time, in the same way that I think sometimes ''civil disobedience'' protests about far more important things DO have to break a window or vandalize a wall sometimes to get the point across: It was a ?war,? at least as much of one as the situation could allow, we did what we had to do at the time.

Source: http://moviebob.blogspot.nl/2014/09/a-long-post-about-gamergate.html
To that I respond... why are you making his case easier to justify? Death threats don't help in any way, shape, or form when someone is accusing you of being violent.

Mostly Jack Thompson was defeated by the American legal system where law-makers are keen to protect the interests of businesses and courts are loathe to see any kind of government censorship as legitimate. What you get is a system filled with a lot of saber rattling as law-makers threaten legislation in order to get various entertainment industry to act in what they deem a more responsible manner.

Which usually back-fires on them, as the PMRC ended up making lyrics far dirtier as acts could point to Warning Labels as proof they weren't targeting kids with their lyrics and we've gotten to the point where fluffy pop songs have to censor out naughty words for radio play.

But no excusing the idiots who sent Thompson death threats. I have gone through 45 years of my life somehow avoiding issuing a death threat to anyone. You kind of have to go out of your way to do that kind of nonsense.
 

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It looks that way because of social networks. Before, you could only be trolled in a forum/site, at worst someone would find your email or something. Now most of the stuff is connected, people are more open to share personal info in the net. That makes online harassment easier.
Internet has become a shittier place in general. More people, more crap.