They wouldn't be your child biologically but once they are adopted they would become your child in every other respect, so it wouldn't be "someone else's child". I wouldn't mind adopting a daughter one day and if I did she wouldn't be anyone elses child but mine! (except my partner...)Monoochrom said:Yes, I do, 2-3 of them actually. Why is it selfish to not adopt? Not that the idea ever bothered me, but it still isn't my Child, it's just someones else's child I just happen to be paying for.
You're genes are better than another person's genes because their children are up for adoption? I don't know but that sounds really egotistical.PhiMed said:You can assume that if you like, but you'd be wrong. The world is not ridiculously overpopulated. Selected regions of it are. People are only dying in the streets in large numbers in regions where the food supply chain has broken down, either through incompetent or deliberate actions. Regional warlords, regional anarchy, and regional oppression: these cause hunger, not a worldwide lack of food.Vern5 said:I'm going to go ahead and assume that we can mostly agree that the world is ridiculously overpopulated right now. People are dying in the streets. There isn't enough food to go around. Yet, for every plague, famine and genocide you hear about the world population still seems to be rising or at least maintaining itself.
So, I've got to know, do any of you want children and, if so, why?
Its a strange thing to ask people. There are many in the world who just go through life the way other people are (a process known as Social Validation) and readily cling to the idea that life has a specific progression. Some people get married and have children, not because they really want to, but because they figure its about time they did. I know everyone talks about "oh, it was the greatest moment of my life when I saw my newborn boy/girl" and I can't argue with that. But at the same time I can say that the idea of bringing even more children into the world instead of adopting the nearly endless sea of orphaned young sounds selfish. Also, my childhood was pretty bad. Not that I was ever starving but, emotionally, that stuff sucked. I don't think I could consciously put another human being through the same experience I had growing up. But, hey, thats just me.
So how about it? Do you want kids? State your reasoning (Full credit will not be awarded to partial answers of Yes or No).
EDIT - Yes, I do realize there are two other threads that are roughly like this but I feel ashamed about grave digging.
As for "bringing another person into the world": First I'd like to say that if everyone your message can reach stopped reproducing today, the only people left on earth after a few decades would be the people who are currently reproducing like mad despite abject poverty. So pleading with literate people who are wealthy enough to have access to the internet to stop breeding is about as useful as pissing in your own face. That's not going to stem population growth. It's just going to encourage a situation where a greater proportion of the population is illiterate and impoverished.
Second, I'm relatively successful by most standards. So is my wife. If I'm going to work hard enough to be a good parent (and it is hard work) I'd rather do that to help propagate our own DNA, rather than work tirelessly to support the continued propagation of the DNA of someone too stupid, too careless, or too heartless to avoid reproducing despite their inability or unwillingness to care for their own offspring. Most children adopted internationally are not institutionalized due to parental death, but due to abandonment. Many institutions prohibit asking the situation leading to institutionalization prior to adoption. In places that allow such inquiries, stories told by the personnel are frequently false. In the cases of abandoned children (the majority) the parents who abandoned them are pieces of shit. Why should I take the chance of making myself the permanent legal guardian of someone with the "piece of shit gene"? I'm being facetious, but seriously: Why do those people's DNA deserve my efforts? I'm relatively altruistic in most respects, but that's where I draw the line. I gave at the office, man. I admire people who have that level of devotion, but that's just not me.
So that's why I've decided to reproduce rather than adopt someone else's unwanted, abused child. Is it selfish? You bet. Natural selection is inherently selfish, and I won't apologize for behaving the way that every K-selection animal in the history of the planet has.
Yes, but not quite yet if you don't mind.Vern5 said:I'm going to go ahead and assume that we can mostly agree that the world is ridiculously overpopulated right now. People are dying in the streets. There isn't enough food to go around. Yet, for every plague, famine and genocide you hear about the world population still seems to be rising or at least maintaining itself.
So, I've got to know, do any of you want children and, if so, why?
Its a strange thing to ask people. There are many in the world who just go through life the way other people are (a process known as Social Validation) and readily cling to the idea that life has a specific progression. Some people get married and have children, not because they really want to, but because they figure its about time they did. I know everyone talks about "oh, it was the greatest moment of my life when I saw my newborn boy/girl" and I can't argue with that. But at the same time I can say that the idea of bringing even more children into the world instead of adopting the nearly endless sea of orphaned young sounds selfish. Also, my childhood was pretty bad. Not that I was ever starving but, emotionally, that stuff sucked. I don't think I could consciously put another human being through the same experience I had growing up. But, hey, thats just me.
So how about it? Do you want kids? State your reasoning (Full credit will not be awarded to partial answers of Yes or No).
EDIT - Yes, I do realize there are two other threads that are roughly like this but I feel ashamed about grave digging.
Absolutely Not! I demand you start breeding immediately!!!Mr S said:Yes, but not quite yet if you don't mind.Vern5 said:I'm going to go ahead and assume that we can mostly agree that the world is ridiculously overpopulated right now. People are dying in the streets. There isn't enough food to go around. Yet, for every plague, famine and genocide you hear about the world population still seems to be rising or at least maintaining itself.
So, I've got to know, do any of you want children and, if so, why?
Its a strange thing to ask people. There are many in the world who just go through life the way other people are (a process known as Social Validation) and readily cling to the idea that life has a specific progression. Some people get married and have children, not because they really want to, but because they figure its about time they did. I know everyone talks about "oh, it was the greatest moment of my life when I saw my newborn boy/girl" and I can't argue with that. But at the same time I can say that the idea of bringing even more children into the world instead of adopting the nearly endless sea of orphaned young sounds selfish. Also, my childhood was pretty bad. Not that I was ever starving but, emotionally, that stuff sucked. I don't think I could consciously put another human being through the same experience I had growing up. But, hey, thats just me.
So how about it? Do you want kids? State your reasoning (Full credit will not be awarded to partial answers of Yes or No).
EDIT - Yes, I do realize there are two other threads that are roughly like this but I feel ashamed about grave digging.
I think 17 is a little young to start having kids.
Ask me again in a couple of years ok?
How about Max?Macgyvercas said:I would like to have kids someday. The wierd thing is, I have plenty of names for daughters, but only one or two for sons.
Well I don't mind the breeding part. That part I like.Vern5 said:Absolutely Not! I demand you start breeding immediately!!!Mr S said:Yes, but not quite yet if you don't mind.Vern5 said:I'm going to go ahead and assume that we can mostly agree that the world is ridiculously overpopulated right now. People are dying in the streets. There isn't enough food to go around. Yet, for every plague, famine and genocide you hear about the world population still seems to be rising or at least maintaining itself.
So, I've got to know, do any of you want children and, if so, why?
Its a strange thing to ask people. There are many in the world who just go through life the way other people are (a process known as Social Validation) and readily cling to the idea that life has a specific progression. Some people get married and have children, not because they really want to, but because they figure its about time they did. I know everyone talks about "oh, it was the greatest moment of my life when I saw my newborn boy/girl" and I can't argue with that. But at the same time I can say that the idea of bringing even more children into the world instead of adopting the nearly endless sea of orphaned young sounds selfish. Also, my childhood was pretty bad. Not that I was ever starving but, emotionally, that stuff sucked. I don't think I could consciously put another human being through the same experience I had growing up. But, hey, thats just me.
So how about it? Do you want kids? State your reasoning (Full credit will not be awarded to partial answers of Yes or No).
EDIT - Yes, I do realize there are two other threads that are roughly like this but I feel ashamed about grave digging.
I think 17 is a little young to start having kids.
Ask me again in a couple of years ok?
That's an awesome name, I'll have to remember than one if I ever get kids. Did you think it up yourself?Rascarin said:Yes, I want kids, but I'm lesbian, so I'd probably just adopt. There's plenty of spare kids in the world, I don't need to go that far out of my way to make my own (sperm donors, artificial insemination... no thanks). I'd want the child to be as young as possible though, so she (I assume I'll only have daughters) would feel more like mine.
And her name will be Revan.
I have a long list of names for future pets.. I'm not sure if that's better or worse.Mr S said:Seriously though, what is it with women having a bunch of names already for their hypothetical children?
I'm male and I do that, albeit to a much lesser extent.Mr S said:How about Max?Macgyvercas said:I would like to have kids someday. The wierd thing is, I have plenty of names for daughters, but only one or two for sons.
Seriously though, what is it with women having a bunch of names already for their hypothetical children? I've actually met a girl (16) and she has a complete notebook full of them!
You have to admit that's a bit crazy.