I stopped reading Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail and a couple other shonen series about a month ago, just because they're so repetitive, cliché and boring. I can understand why people still read it, but I can't stand it anymore.
dylanmc12 said:I don't like shounen, really.
Scrap that. Because of Naruto, I hate shounen. I can't even read the original Dragon Ball on Mangafox without completely giving up. While Dragon Ball dragged on for a bit, that's because it had a story to tell. Naruto, not so much. Hell, Dragon Ball's still got a story to tell... I just don't think the original author's got much to do with it now.
Man, have Naruto, Bleach and other assorted series ruined shonen for western readers? Is the genre going to be dead as soon as those series wrap up? The "big three" (which Bleach is only still part of on a technicality) have been running for over a decade, and yet, I don't hear about many series that could take their place. Fairy Tail's got a solid fanbase, but it hasn't caught on as much as it's predecessors, in either Japan or the west. I hear Toriko is considered Bleach's replacement in Japan, but I have no clue how it's sales and ratings compare to the aforementioned three, and most American fans seem to have overlooked it.mitchell271 said:I stopped reading Naruto, Bleach, Fairy Tail and a couple other shonen series about a month ago, just because they're so repetitive, cliché and boring. I can understand why people still read it, but I can't stand it anymore.
That seems like a pretty unfair assumption. I've seen criticism of Naruto from way back before Shippuden was airing.Yuuki said:"It was never good to begin with" is mostly said by people who WERE genuine Naruto fans once upon a time and are now hopping onto the "it's cool to claim Naruto was never good and all shonen suck" bandwagon. The actual number of people who didn't find Naruto interesting from the very beginning and far and few in between.
Hey! that's what I was going to say!Amethyst Wind said:Eh, count in the 'wanna see how it ends' camp.
No.Queen Michael said:Is there anyone at all that thinks it's a genuinely good manga anymore?
I agree with you completely. Said it before, saying it again: A one-dimensional character is not deep and well-crafted just because s/he was sad at some point in the past. And giving everybody a sad past is extremely annoying.xPixelatedx said:No.Queen Michael said:Is there anyone at all that thinks it's a genuinely good manga anymore?
Most my buds are big into anime, and even the ones who weren't loved Naruto after I introduced them. But we all agree on the following things:
1.Naruto was gold until the chunin exam ended.
2.After that it was still pretty good, but it took a little dive in quality once Shippuden started and never really recovered. (I'm not even counting the filler garbage)
3.It's current state is completely unwatchable/unreadable with zero redeemable qualities.
I was the last man standing. I stayed with it up until they
revealed the real Madara's past and humanized the tailed beasts. Both of those were pretty much the last straw for me. I simply cannot believe the creator of this story cannot think up ANY backstory for a villain other then 'He was a good kid who grew up in a crappy, worn torn world' for christ's sake this is the 100th time. And now we're supposed to swallow that the fox was a good guy all along? Even all those times he tried to make Naruto kill his friends? Bullshit... just, bullshit. The story was written into a corner and they had to find a way to get Naruto and the fox to cooperate without making it seem weird, so they turned the Fox into an entierly different character. Sloppy doesn't even begin with describe this.
Also Naruto has proven himself to be just an amazingly uninteresting character. He completely and utterly lacks any flaws now and wants to "take upon the sins of all ninja world unto him" like some sort of kungfu Jesus. Just... just NO. I really don't like the fact that he was able to talk with his dead parents, either. Pretty much erases all the trauma from his past right there. Oh yeah, the whole "death not meaning much of anything anymore" kind of made things stupid to. That's usually the point in a series where you should just stop and cancel it.
Naruto has also been more powerful then any Hokage for a while now, so what he aspires for means literally nothing. The kid is fighting a guy who's been described as a God, and hes doing it nearly as an equal. It's really silly at this point
My favorite description of Obito is "The bitter, half-tree virgin who wants to destroy the world because he couldn't get laid."Queen Michael said:I agree with you completely. Said it before, saying it again: A one-dimensional character is not deep and well-crafted just because s/he was sad at some point in the past. And giving everybody a sad past is extremely annoying.xPixelatedx said:No.Queen Michael said:Is there anyone at all that thinks it's a genuinely good manga anymore?
Most my buds are big into anime, and even the ones who weren't loved Naruto after I introduced them. But we all agree on the following things:
1.Naruto was gold until the chunin exam ended.
2.After that it was still pretty good, but it took a little dive in quality once Shippuden started and never really recovered. (I'm not even counting the filler garbage)
3.It's current state is completely unwatchable/unreadable with zero redeemable qualities.
I was the last man standing. I stayed with it up until they
revealed the real Madara's past and humanized the tailed beasts. Both of those were pretty much the last straw for me. I simply cannot believe the creator of this story cannot think up ANY backstory for a villain other then 'He was a good kid who grew up in a crappy, worn torn world' for christ's sake this is the 100th time. And now we're supposed to swallow that the fox was a good guy all along? Even all those times he tried to make Naruto kill his friends? Bullshit... just, bullshit. The story was written into a corner and they had to find a way to get Naruto and the fox to cooperate without making it seem weird, so they turned the Fox into an entierly different character. Sloppy doesn't even begin with describe this.
Also Naruto has proven himself to be just an amazingly uninteresting character. He completely and utterly lacks any flaws now and wants to "take upon the sins of all ninja world unto him" like some sort of kungfu Jesus. Just... just NO. I really don't like the fact that he was able to talk with his dead parents, either. Pretty much erases all the trauma from his past right there. Oh yeah, the whole "death not meaning much of anything anymore" kind of made things stupid to. That's usually the point in a series where you should just stop and cancel it.
Naruto has also been more powerful then any Hokage for a while now, so what he aspires for means literally nothing. The kid is fighting a guy who's been described as a God, and hes doing it nearly as an equal. It's really silly at this point
Kind of depressing, really, when the Big Bad Villain Guy turns out to be some shithead who's been throwing a fit for the last two decades because his childhood sweetheart (who wasn't interested in him like that) commited suicide-by-enemy. Really robbed him of any dignity he might have had.AustinN said:My favorite description of Obito is "The bitter, half-tree virgin who wants to destroy the world because he couldn't get laid."Queen Michael said:I agree with you completely. Said it before, saying it again: A one-dimensional character is not deep and well-crafted just because s/he was sad at some point in the past. And giving everybody a sad past is extremely annoying.xPixelatedx said:No.Queen Michael said:Is there anyone at all that thinks it's a genuinely good manga anymore?
Most my buds are big into anime, and even the ones who weren't loved Naruto after I introduced them. But we all agree on the following things:
1.Naruto was gold until the chunin exam ended.
2.After that it was still pretty good, but it took a little dive in quality once Shippuden started and never really recovered. (I'm not even counting the filler garbage)
3.It's current state is completely unwatchable/unreadable with zero redeemable qualities.
I was the last man standing. I stayed with it up until they
revealed the real Madara's past and humanized the tailed beasts. Both of those were pretty much the last straw for me. I simply cannot believe the creator of this story cannot think up ANY backstory for a villain other then 'He was a good kid who grew up in a crappy, worn torn world' for christ's sake this is the 100th time. And now we're supposed to swallow that the fox was a good guy all along? Even all those times he tried to make Naruto kill his friends? Bullshit... just, bullshit. The story was written into a corner and they had to find a way to get Naruto and the fox to cooperate without making it seem weird, so they turned the Fox into an entierly different character. Sloppy doesn't even begin with describe this.
Also Naruto has proven himself to be just an amazingly uninteresting character. He completely and utterly lacks any flaws now and wants to "take upon the sins of all ninja world unto him" like some sort of kungfu Jesus. Just... just NO. I really don't like the fact that he was able to talk with his dead parents, either. Pretty much erases all the trauma from his past right there. Oh yeah, the whole "death not meaning much of anything anymore" kind of made things stupid to. That's usually the point in a series where you should just stop and cancel it.
Naruto has also been more powerful then any Hokage for a while now, so what he aspires for means literally nothing. The kid is fighting a guy who's been described as a God, and hes doing it nearly as an equal. It's really silly at this point
Well, Madara has absorbed the "Ten-Tails" and turned himself into a Jinchuriki... in ten seconds flat, with complete control of the "Ten-Tails" powers, and no side-effects. There's a trope, Magic A is Magic A, stipulating how things like demonic possession, ressurections and what-not are supposed to work. Madara... doesn't give a crap about that, and just does things because he feels like it.AustinN said:So sorry for bumping a week old topic, but I've heard that Madara's powers have gotten even more ridiculous even after Kishimoto admitted that he had no idea how the good guys were going to win. It's like, why would you do that? See a problem, yet continue to make it worse? It's like keeping your hand on a hot object. We're programmed not to do that. Why do you revolt against human nature, Kishimoto?
Tobi was liked because he was an Uchiha who was actually heroic. Him being revealed as the bad guy made a lot of people feel like the Uchiha clan is inherently evil, and I know that's not what the writer was going for. And while losing a friend is a tragedy, plenty of other characters in the series have managed to overcome their tragedies, while Tobi threw away everyone who ever cared about him. Plus, some people roll their eyes at the "childhood crushes define who you are forever and ever" aspect of it.aeris2001x2 said:I don't see the problem with Tobis Motives at all, how is his reason not epic?