Dog-Fighting Game Pulled from Android Market

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I'm willing to bet that you could release a cockfighting game on the app market and no one would care. And that's not even counting the fact that a large portion of today's gaming industry revolves around people killing people. There's just something about dogs. I mean, I think the idea is in poor taste (especially since whoever made it was probably well aware that it would piss people off), BUT I think it should be allowed, because I believe in freedom of speech. Pulling this particular game simply for being distasteful seems dictatorial, unless the AppMarket has documented standards that this game failed to follow.

By the way, thanks to everyone in this thread for not throwing fuel into the let's-hate-Michael-Vick fire. As an Eagles fan, you can imagine I'm a little sick of hearing about that.

This. Yes, dogfighting is an actual problem. You know what else is an actual, much more serious problem? War. You know what glorifies war? Just about every major videogame on the market, from CoD to Halo. We need to think long and hard when a game about killing dogs raises more eyebrows than a game about killing people.

Also, anyone getting the irony that dogfighting is horrible, but Pokemon battles are family entertainment? Will Concentration Camp Tycoon finally get released if instead of Hitler and the Jews it's Gradov Hightower the Dwarf trying to exterminate the Elven vermin?

(Not invoking Godwin's law; Concentration Camp Tycoon is a pretty common go-to example for games that would be in such poor taste that they could never be released.)

 

[jakefongloo]

This game should be put back on the market.
In Pokemon I can fight all animals I want. In Manhunt you can stalk and violently murder people to death with primitive weapons like palstic bags and shards of glass.

Why does this Dog game matter? You can't use any argument against it you couldn't against any other game. It allows you to simulate doing illegal things? Cruel things? Immoral things? Need I list you the amount of games that allow this?

In New Vegas I could fight Rad Scorpions in a ring; why is this game any different?

A game where you kill Obama would be pulled
A game where you torture pandas would be pulled
A game where you piss on holocaust victems would be pulled

Fictional versus real life
Stop pretending they're the same, they're not.

And radscorpians openly attack anything except radscorpians.
Dogs give love and affection unless tortured otherwise.

Spend 10 minutes in a practice arena where dogs are prepped, and if you are any kind of humane you would shoot the dogs dead right there. It is that bad.
Personally? I think free speech should also apply to people who shoot the fuckers who hide behind the 1st amendment to do whatever the hell they want.

 

[Azmokuta]

I think a huge part of the controversy is that we're desensitized to violence against people. That's why a lot of the people who claim to be opposed to this game would speak in favor of Rockstar's games that involve gorily murdering people by the dozen, or go along with bashing Jack Thompson.

In reality, though, it comes across as logically inconsistent to say one's more acceptable than the other. If we're going to say this game should be banned for glorifying dog fighting, then we're insinuating a lot of the M-rated market should be banned for glorifying murder. Just leave it be, unless you actually are part of the party who believes violent video games lead to violence.

 

[Weaver]

This game should be put back on the market.
In Pokemon I can fight all animals I want. In Manhunt you can stalk and violently murder people to death with primitive weapons like palstic bags and shards of glass.

Why does this Dog game matter? You can't use any argument against it you couldn't against any other game. It allows you to simulate doing illegal things? Cruel things? Immoral things? Need I list you the amount of games that allow this?

In New Vegas I could fight Rad Scorpions in a ring; why is this game any different?

A game where you kill Obama would be pulled
A game where you torture pandas would be pulled
A game where you piss on holocaust victems would be pulled

Fictional versus real life
Stop pretending they're the same, they're not.

And radscorpians openly attack anything except radscorpians.
Dogs give love and affection unless tortured otherwise.

Spend 10 minutes in a practice arena where dogs are prepped, and if you are any kind of humane you would shoot the dogs dead right there. It is that bad.
Personally? I think free speech should also apply to people who shoot the fuckers who hide behind the 1st amendment to do whatever the hell they want.

I guess you haven't played Postal 2 then? You can piss on anyone you want. You can silence your shotgun by sticking it up a cats ass and subsequently killing it. No one cared. In Call of Duty I can kill dogs, no one cared.

How are they more fictional than this game? None of them are real, all of them simulate reality.

 

[RabbidKuriboh]

this shit is worse than rapelay imo

What? How?

one simple reason amimals are 100% innocent and can never be deserving of callous behaviour such as torture in this case, people enacting horrors on each other is fine(for lack of better word) but don't enact it on the only truly innocent creatures of the world

 

[Asehujiko]

So Pokemon is okay but this isn't?




I am confused.

The Escapist has a habit of jumping on games that feature acts that would be morally wrong in real life when they're not produced by a company rich enough to buy ad space. Go watch the rants on Rapelay and that school shooter thing. Then try to find one about Manhunt(by rockstar, an AAA company).

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

This game should be put back on the market.
In Pokemon I can fight all animals I want. In Manhunt you can stalk and violently murder people to death with primitive weapons like palstic bags and shards of glass.

Why does this Dog game matter? You can't use any argument against it you couldn't against any other game. It allows you to simulate doing illegal things? Cruel things? Immoral things? Need I list you the amount of games that allow this?

In New Vegas I could fight Rad Scorpions in a ring; why is this game any different?

Oh you know, dogs are special, you can't hurt them in a game without people makign a load of fuss;


Oh wait. Nope, it's mostly hypocrisy.

The point is people are ultimately indifferent to the appalling murder rates in the United States, after all it's mostly "gang members" (code word for guess what) killing each other. And they don't like "gang members", they can kill each other all they like. But they LIKE dogs, and while they are complacent over the slaughter of people the idea of dogs being hurt is such a shock to them they get all idealistic, that NO DEPICTION of it can be accepted.

So in the unique circumstances of a game where a dog hurts another dog they are reminded of that blood sport those "gang members" practice and get all indignant and start making exceptions to freedom-of-speech that ultimately undermine liberty for ALL games.

I put this in the same category as N'Gai Croal's rant about black zombies in Resident Evil 5, but at least he saw sense in the end.

The difference between this and CoD WaW and BlOps' Dogs killstreak and Hellhounds is that they were trained to attack you. So it could technically be called self defence. Or do you want people to just sit there as a rabid dog comes to bit their cocks off, while they're carrying a gun?

And dogs in a dog fighting ring are trained to attack each other. What's your point?

 

[katsumoto03]

So Pokemon is okay but this isn't?




I am confused.

Pokemon aren't real animals. Dogs are real animals and dog fighting is an actual problem.

 

[emeraldrafael]

This game should be put back on the market.
In Pokemon I can fight all animals I want. In Manhunt you can stalk and violently murder people to death with primitive weapons like palstic bags and shards of glass.

Why does this Dog game matter? You can't use any argument against it you couldn't against any other game. It allows you to simulate doing illegal things? Cruel things? Immoral things? Need I list you the amount of games that allow this?

In New Vegas I could fight Rad Scorpions in a ring; why is this game any different?

Oh you know, dogs are special, you can't hurt them in a game without people makign a load of fuss;


Oh wait. Nope, it's mostly hypocrisy.

The point is people are ultimately indifferent to the appalling murder rates in the United States, after all it's mostly "gang members" (code word for guess what) killing each other. And they don't like "gang members", they can kill each other all they like. But they LIKE dogs, and while they are complacent over the slaughter of people the idea of dogs being hurt is such a shock to them they get all idealistic, that NO DEPICTION of it can be accepted.

So in the unique circumstances of a game where a dog hurts another dog they are reminded of that blood sport those "gang members" practice and get all indignant and start making exceptions to freedom-of-speech that ultimately undermine liberty for ALL games.

I put this in the same category as N'Gai Croal's rant about black zombies in Resident Evil 5, but at least he saw sense in the end.

The difference between this and CoD WaW and BlOps' Dogs killstreak and Hellhounds is that they were trained to attack you. So it could technically be called self defence. Or do you want people to just sit there as a rabid dog comes to bit their cocks off, while they're carrying a gun?

You know, there's other ways to stop a dog then just shooting it. Just like there's other ways to stop a person. You have a dog jump you, all you have to do is knee it in the chest, and it brings it down right quickly.

EDIT:

So Pokemon is okay but this isn't?




I am confused.

Pokemon aren't real animals. Dogs are real animals and dog fighting is an actual problem.

BUt these arent real animals, and pokemon teaches more kids this I think this game would. I'm not saying that this is right, but thats a very poor argument that those arent real animals in pokemon. You kill people based on real life persons in CoDs and such, should they also be banned?

 

[Treblaine]

Violence toward animals has always been a grey area for me. In one sense, I enjoy killing the shit out of humans in a video game but detest having to do it to animals. I'm not sure what distinction between the hampers me, other than finding animals adorable!

I point to you the dogs in CoD (see video at top of the page) you cannot find those attack dogs "adorable". Or at least no more than the Wermacht soldier also trying to kill you.

Humans should be instantly more appealing by the very fact of having human faces and language.

BTW, would you "enjoy killing the shit out of " this person:

So before you all start putting up pictures of cute puppies and saying "how could you wan widdle diddums hurt" look at this nice looking chap. He's a Nazi. An officer in the German army in World War 2 sworn allegiance to Adolf Hitler, he fights and kills for his cause.

Consider that you enjoy killing people in games because of the way they are depicted, not what they are.

I love when people realize something is immoral only after going to jail for it.

That's kinda the point of jail as a punishment.

Do you think people can only truly repent of their own spontaneous compulsion, entirely internally with no outside forces affecting them? Hardship brought upon by your wrong actions are very good at making you realise what is right and wrong.

Actually, what is right and wrong? What is morality?

Dogfighting is wrong because dogs get hurt.

But a video game about dogfighting, no dogs get hurt and likely would never lead to them getting hurt. Is this game being blocked on principal rather than actuality?

 

[zehydra]

Killing people - All right ! Killing Dogs - No way.

Yeah, get back to making games about humans brutally murdering each other like a HEALTHY NORMAL PERSON.

After reading this post and the comments following I feel like I'm in an insane asylum. Where are peoples priorities?

exactly, this reminds me of this comic that was originally rolled out for Duke Nukem:

Pay attention to the last two panels

 

[Epitome]

I do not think it should have been pulled, though it is Googles right to do so I do not want to see a world where one of the largest media distribution platforms in the world self-censors its content. The subject is distasteful, but its a shitty mafia wars clone with a crappy subject thats now going to get far more attention than it deserves. I find it a distasteful game that deserves and M rating and thats as far as I care about it.

Training dogs to fight pokemon style on an android app is as far removed from actual dogfighting as running a mafia is from playing mafia wars.

Its that same freedom of speech problem again, we can censor one thing, then another... etc its an absolute value, your in or your out.

 

[tigermilk]

Screw this dogfighting game! Now if you'll excuse me, I have some Pokemon to train.

Touche. Or at least it would be if Pokemon like Angry Birds was a problem in society. Unless you weren't coming out in favour of the dog fighting game in which case I apologise wholeheartedly.

 

[zehydra]

So Pokemon is okay but this isn't?




I am confused.

Pokemon aren't real animals. Dogs are real animals and dog fighting is an actual problem.

war is a problem too, yet we play games that glorify it.

 

[RabbidKuriboh]

this shit is worse than rapelay imo

What? How?

one simple reason amimals are 100% innocent and can never be deserving of callous behaviour such as torture in this case, people enacting horrors on each other is fine(for lack of better word) but don't enact it on the only truly innocent creatures of the world

What?! Animals are truly innocent? They kill people. They kill each other. They eat each other. They rape each other.... Are you implying that people deserve to be raped?

oh sweet christ i hope that was sarcasm

just in case it wasn't let me explain, animals are incapable of evil, humans are more than capable, an animal will only commit an act if it is towards either its own survival or towards the good of its pack

an animal will not inflict misery upon another life just for misery's own sake

 

[TimeLord]

All Thing Digital was barking up the wrong tree.

The ruling was a bit ruff. They've marked new territory in apps though, and it's setter bad example.

*groan* I want to hit you over the head with something for that.

OT: Although I find it weird that animals apparently get better rights than humans nowadays in that killing your fellow man is a-ok in a simulated world. Killing a dog in a simulated world is wrong.

Please don't misunderstand me, this game is an abomination and deserved to burn in silicon hell forever with all the calculators but if they ban these games then where does it stop? Will they ban fighting games where you beat your fellow man to a pulp? No, of course they won't. Because that's apparently ok compared to this.

 

[Woodsey]

this shit is worse than rapelay imo

What? How?

one simple reason amimals are 100% innocent and can never be deserving of callous behaviour such as torture in this case, people enacting horrors on each other is fine(for lack of better word) but don't enact it on the only truly innocent creatures of the world

Bahahahaha!

this shit is worse than rapelay imo

What? How?

He must be joking/trolling. No one can be so stupid as to say dog-baiting is worse than rape because innocents are only hurt in the former.

 

[EscapistUser123456]

No.

Just no.

Yeah free speech is great but that game...

No.

My friend also used to just say "no.". He was also the pisspole of our class and nobody liked him. He also liked anime, which fits perfect with his situation.

 

[Michelle Weiss]

games ok but NOT in real life there's a line

 

[gizunt]

Killing people - All right ! Killing Dogs - No way.

Totally agree man! putting two man\women against each other in a fight to the death with torturous ways to kill your opponent is ok but dogs is too much? besides its better to be done in a video game then real life.