dont hate the player.....hate the game

[electric method]

There is a huge difference between say, imbalanced gameplay, explpoiting said gameplay and then cheating. For e.g. in Cod the multiplayer is arguably the most unbalanced out there. That is not the fault of the players but of the devs. If one is playing the mp and realizes if they do x or y and it allows them to exploit said imbalances then I wouldn't say they are cheating exactly. What I would say is that is nothing more than being a jerk or a douche. If the devs have come out and said "using x or y exploit is cheating" then it's cheating. Until such point it is just a player abusing a broken system.

Cheating is cheating no matter what. Lag switching, using modded controllers, jtagging etc those things I find highly contemptable. If one cannot win given the ruleset established by the game then they don't need to play. Ultimately in all off this people just need to remember they are not the only people playing the games and then utilize some common sense and good judgement.

 

[shootthebandit]

alot of people here are saying that those who exploit imbalance are douchebags well i say be a douchebag. at the end of the day you dont play to win anyone who gets sour about losing a round on a game needs to realise thats not what its about(unless your at a proper tournament)

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

alot of people here are saying that those who exploit imbalance are douchebags well i say be a douchebag. at the end of the day you dont play to win anyone who gets sour about losing a round on a game needs to realise thats not what its about(unless your at a proper tournament)

right, so if we were playing basketball and i threw the ball at your face just to get you out of my way, would you not be pissed?

there is nothing in the rules against it, so why not?

by your logic then, i should be a douchebag, which is douchey and toolbag filled to the rim, the person who is being a douche should get sour for having to win with douche tactics, not the guy who is playing the game it was meant to be played like.

 

[51gunner]

A little of column A, a little of column B.


I hate the game when there's stuff that's just broken - Call of Duty's "Infinite Grenade Rain" that others mentioned comes to mind as it lets you get around the whole "ammunition" thing. Also, some stuff in CoD is just plain underpowered to the point of pointlessness - I've never seen anyone get results with an LMG. (If they were doing okay, they were just handicapping themselves).

I get annoyed at other players that are just plain better than me. Gears of War springs to mind: the shotgun battles are fair as long as there isn't a latency issue, but they're frustrating as hell to lose over and over to somebody.

 

[Vigormortis]

This kind of attitude is kinda popular in TF2. Particularly with the Pyro class. People keep calling him a noob class just because a player can just press W+M1 to use his main weapon and get kills. I can kinda agree about Pyro players who do nothing but this, as they usually don't do well or contribute to the team depending on the skill of the other team.

But the way I see it, if you're getting killed over and over by a Pyro player who abuses that tactic. A very easy tactic to exploit I might add, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Also, in my opinion, if you think the Backburner is a noob weapon, then you may as well call the Spy a noob class because they basically work the same way. As both can be countered if you watch your back.

I totally agree. I hear plenty of bitching about "pyros are for noobs", "Soldiers are for noobs", "heavies are too OP and should be removed", etc, etc. It's all bull and the only people who complain about them just can't find a decent way to vent their anger at being "killed" in game.

That said...the Enforcer for Spy SOOOO needs a nerf. Seriously. A slight increase in 'blink' time while cloaking is hardly a draw back for the damage buff on that thing. (not to mention that "drawback" doesn't really apply to the Dead Ringer) It's the one item in the game that causes me to look on a player with disdain. (provided they're using it)

 

[Vigormortis]

alot of people here are saying that those who exploit imbalance are douchebags well i say be a douchebag. at the end of the day you dont play to win anyone who gets sour about losing a round on a game needs to realise thats not what its about(unless your at a proper tournament)

right, so if we were playing basketball and i threw the ball at your face just to get you out of my way, would you not be pissed?

there is nothing in the rules against it, so why not?

by your logic then, i should be a douchebag, which is douchey and toolbag filled to the rim, the person who is being a douche should get sour for having to win with douche tactics, not the guy who is playing the game it was meant to be played like.

Not to mention...you know...there's the whole concept of "fair play" and NOT being a dick to people.

Oh yeah. I keep forgetting. Todays generations looked at those ideals and said, "Ha! Screw that. You're not cool unless your trolling people and being an ass!"

The real question is, what in ones life is so pathetic that they just have to be a dick to people online? What torment do they face day-in-day-out that compels them to "get back" at people by ruining everyone elses game? Seriously...these people need a swift boot to the face; accompanied by someone telling them, "Grow the hell up."

 

[Johann610]

Hate the game. I mean it--quit. Make us both happy. Vote with your feet, your dollars, your up-time, whatever, that you refuse to play a game with breakers in it. Or...TRY it! Learn how much fun it can be, and what the weaknesses are. And if you find one, go kill me for using it. I refuse to grow up--I'm having fun playing this, dammit. And how do YOU know what the developer's intent was? Maybe their VISION was this same strategy used over and over again.

 

[Devon Dent]

I Read about as many of the comments as I could so I hope that I don't say the same thing someone else has. But I play a lot of battlefield 3 and for the most part I am a strategic position holder (You can call it camping for short) So my weapons of choice typically fall onto either sniper rifles -or- shotguns. When people are far away it is good to have the sniper rifle, but when I get rushed it would help to have a shotty, the balance in any game is that it is very hard to have something that is good in all occasions, as far as I have noticed there are only three real strong examples that stand against my statement.

#1 - Most of the line of in fighting games has 'that' character, be it Megaman in MVC 2 or Wesker in MVC 3

#2 Battlefield 3 Squad deathmatch; The light armor vehicle.

#3 Anything other than the humans in Starcraft 2 be it Zerg rushing as the zerg, or cannon rushing as the Protoss. (Hell the humans probably have one too but I wouldn't know I never play them)

 

[Username Redacted]

my question is do you think these perk and weapon combinations are cheating or do you think its merely making the most of what the developer has put in the game?

Players are going break anything that's competitive multiplayer. FPS games, fighting games, Magic: the Gathering, etc. People want to win and it's impossible for a developer to test every possible combination of stuff in their game so unless their game is painfully simple then something that they didn't anticipate emerging as being more powerful than stuff they knew about is almost inevitable. I personally don't give a shit about it when it happens (i.e. I don't hate the game) unless it actually renders the game unplayable. "Unplayable" being defined as an actual gamebreaking glitch OR the strategy/character/deck/whatever getting to play this or lose levels of absurdity. I however find it rather irritating at this point when people ***** about stuff that isn't anywhere near either of those criteria mostly because there tend to be a lot of them and they tend to be very vocal in their bleating to the developer to fix what ails them.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

I'd hate the player anyway, screw that guy. They know what they're doing when they use overpowered characters of setups or whatever. Although, some people will undoubtedly be doing it just to keep up with the rest, somwhere there is a core of dicks who insist on using it without care for the metagame. I people could just pull together and not use it, and perhaps refuse to play with people who do, then the game would be better off. But time and time again that has been shown to not work in large communities.

 

[ultrachicken]

If a system is broken, and you exploit it, then i class it as cheating (ie Halo Reach armour lock, where you just stay in one spot for 6 seconds, immune to damage)

The time spent in armor lock is too little for shields to regenerate, plus, if you can time your grenade properly, the user is extremely vulnerable. There really is no reason for all the community hatred toward armor lock.

If it was put in the game by the developers and isn't a bug, then it isn't cheating, because it's within the rules. Doesn't mean I won't hate you for using it, though.

 

[shootthebandit]

alot of people here are saying that those who exploit imbalance are douchebags well i say be a douchebag. at the end of the day you dont play to win anyone who gets sour about losing a round on a game needs to realise thats not what its about(unless your at a proper tournament)

right, so if we were playing basketball and i threw the ball at your face just to get you out of my way, would you not be pissed?

there is nothing in the rules against it, so why not?

by your logic then, i should be a douchebag, which is douchey and toolbag filled to the rim, the person who is being a douche should get sour for having to win with douche tactics, not the guy who is playing the game it was meant to be played like.

its not basketball though, its a video game thats the point im trying to make. nobody gets hurt from a video game except the wii but thats a different issue

 

[shootthebandit]

The real question is, what in ones life is so pathetic that they just have to be a dick to people online? What torment do they face day-in-day-out that compels them to "get back" at people by ruining everyone elses game? Seriously...these people need a swift boot to the face; accompanied by someone telling them, "Grow the hell up."

if i use a class like the aforementioned marathon class its not to deliberately be a dick its just that its a fun style of play. i dont set out and think "im going to be a douche and im gonna ruin someones game"

conversely one of my favourite play styles on black ops is tomahawk and ballistic knife only. i usually lose badly but its fun so i do it. its only a video game and i think the people who need to "grow up" are the ones who take it far too seriously

 

[Vigormortis]

The real question is, what in ones life is so pathetic that they just have to be a dick to people online? What torment do they face day-in-day-out that compels them to "get back" at people by ruining everyone elses game? Seriously...these people need a swift boot to the face; accompanied by someone telling them, "Grow the hell up."

if i use a class like the aforementioned marathon class its not to deliberately be a dick its just that its a fun style of play. i dont set out and think "im going to be a douche and im gonna ruin someones game"

conversely one of my favourite play styles on black ops is tomahawk and ballistic knife only. i usually lose badly but its fun so i do it. its only a video game and i think the people who need to "grow up" are the ones who take it far too seriously

Then see? You're not one of the aforementioned "douche bags". I too will often play with ridiculous, useless, or stupid builds/settings/loadouts in games. Just for the fun of it; not to ruin everyone's day.

Take Counter-Strike: Source, for example. I LOVE going TMP/P228/Smoke Grenade.

It's a terrible load-out, and I often die quickly to any amount of ranged rifle-fire. But if I get in close, in a relatively confined area, it's just a slaughter.

My point earlier was, I hate those people that purposefully go into a game; use exploits, bugs, and other things; and do so with the sole intention of ruining the game experience for others.

You don't need to take a game "too seriously" to have some asshole come in and ruin it for you. The "it's just a game bro." excuse is both lame and stupid. Especially given that it's often used as a way for someone to "excuse" their boorish behavior.

Just because someone says it's "just a game", it doesn't give them free reign to act like a dick.