Huh I figured the problem always was that middle school and even high school kids got the impression that making fun of the special needs kids was the okay coolguy thing to do.
Don't say that's retarded, it hurts special kids feelings NOT ABOUT CALLING SPECIAL KIDS RETARDED
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You are right. When I insult someone it SHOULD be politically correct, because when I choose to hurt another person verbally my first priority should be that greater society approves my chosen terminology.
Really gets to the root of the problem alright.
Really gets to the root of the problem alright.
Sampling almost entire tracks from other artists and not giving them credit does not take talent.Vault101 said:
With the right computer programs, anybody can do what he does, including children and perhaps even well trained monkeys.
OT: I see no problem with using controversial insults in jest, all it really does is reduce their impact. I think most reasonable people can tell the difference between malice and jest. And I have no time for those that will use willful ignorance to kick up a fuss.
I completely agree with your points. The way I've always looked at is that people should have the choice over how they are referred to, with potential exceptions for literal definitions. If you ignore how they want to be referred to, then you're purposefully trying to piss them off and you should be honest about that.Katatori-kun said:
As an example, take someone introducing themselves as William, and then you start calling them Bill. They object and say they prefer Will or William. Now there's nothing actually wrong or inherently offensive about referring to someone as Bill, but in this case you'd still be a dick if you kept it up.
As you say, it's not about determing which words are and aren't offensive, it's about realising that you have to think about other people before you start using certain words.
.....wha?Smeatza said:
I haven't listed to alot of Skrillex's work but from what I can gather he only samples sound bits..specifically of crazy yelling, so please tell me where this "sampling to the point of plagarism" comes from
also sampling when done well is awsome
in fact here's a song made from nothing BUT samples
[quote/]With the right computer programs, anybody can do what he does, including children and perhaps even well trained monkeys.
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...so much wrong and ignorance in this sentence....
regardless of weather or not Skrillex is good, anyone who says electronic music doesnt take skill "just cus it uses them comupter machines and not real life instruments" clearly knows fuck all about music
also it doesnt take a genious to put down the few specific chords pretty much allpopular songs are made from on physical instruments
I try not to use studio stuff as examples of talent, considering how easily one can take credit for another's success.Vault101 said:
What I do know is that when I saw him live at a festival once he played "Let me clear my throat" by DJ Phresh, the entire way through (please note this was not a cover version of the song, but the exact same song DJ Phresh put out a decade odd ago), with not a single edit whatsoever, and didn't even give a shout out to the original artist.
A few of my friends could tell you why he's appalling within the field of brostep, but that doesn't help much on an internet forum.
You seem to have misunderstood. Electronic music takes plenty of skill, talent and artistry to create. Sampling is a perfectly acceptable form of creating music (I'm a big hip hop fan and the vast majority of hip hop beats are sampled).Vault101 said:
But I would not call Skrillex's stuff electronic, or music (I'm exaggerating there but you get my point).
Skrillex is to electronic music, what Lil Wayne is to rap.
Because they choose to believe they matter.* That's the point of my question about objective qualities. Barring emotional instability, they're the ultimate arbiter of what those words mean to them. I'm putting them out there; they're choosing to listen and how they respond. That simply isn't my responsibility and I refuse to be held accountable for it.Katatori-kun said:
The black community claiming ****** as their own and actively dismantling its efficacy is an admirable pursuit. Whining on behalf of another because one thinks that someone said something that gives victims the option to feel emotional pain, the likes of which should be so minuscule in the grander scheme of things, looks like a laughable overreaction from my perspective.
This has nothing to do with laws or rules. One could argue that you're contributing to the creation of a taboo, the casual equivalent of a law, but I'm not even doing that. I'm simply asking you to justify your dick shaming with something other than, "because."
In the interest of fairness, if there is a man of straw concealed anywhere in my posts, it's that I'm arguing from the assumption that you're arguing from a position of reason or rationality or justification beyond "becuz." If instead this dick shaming is your own personal emotional reaction to insensitive language, and there's nothing else to it then that, then... shame on me, I guess?
The reason determination matters within the context of this discussion is because I could just as easily call them pussies to rationalize my own behaviour. Then you could call me a dick. And we could go back and forth forever. This gets us nowhere.
First World Problems, amirite?
If I were that vegetarian, I would laugh in their face and go make myself some nice chana dal. Any reaction beyond that seems petulant, childish and arrogant. And completely unnecessary. Sure, the host is a dick, but what does that really mean to me? I'm just not seeing it.
If you don't question them how do you know that defending them is a good idea?
Don't take this as an appeal to authority or anything like that, call it idle curiosity, but do you have any personal experience with the phenomena that supposedly cause these kinds of reactions in victims? And not just a drunk uncle or something like that, everyone's got one of those. I mean direct, personal exposure to homophobia, or physical abuse, rape, discrimination, or disability. Anything to give you personal insight into what it's like to be hurt or offended by loose-lipped cads? Because, I've got to say, as someone who's been there, I really, really don't get it. Intellectually, I understand how it could bring up painful memories, but even that's so far removed from the injury itself that it's beneath my ability to even acknowledge it.
I personally have always found the term "special" more ridiculous and vaguely offensive than just flat out calling mentally retarded people what they are. Let's be honest here: being mentally retarded is a generally negative thing; I'm not saying retarded people are bad, but the condition of being retarded is not one I'd ever want to be in. Most people that I've met who qualify as being retarded, know that they are, or they at least know that they're in a situation that most other people don't have to deal with. So calling somebody who is retarded "special" just seems silly.
Not to mention the fact that people are using the term because of the stigmas attached to it, people are always going to use terms referring to mentally handicapped people as insults, no matter what that term is.
On another, slightly different note, I hate when people classify something as discrimination simply because you acknowledged something about somebody else. For instance, acknowledging that somebody is black, or referring to a gay person as, well, gay. It's like people don't even want to acknowledge that somebody else is different; which is really ironic when the same people turn around and preach about the merits of individuality.
Not to mention the fact that people are using the term because of the stigmas attached to it, people are always going to use terms referring to mentally handicapped people as insults, no matter what that term is.
On another, slightly different note, I hate when people classify something as discrimination simply because you acknowledged something about somebody else. For instance, acknowledging that somebody is black, or referring to a gay person as, well, gay. It's like people don't even want to acknowledge that somebody else is different; which is really ironic when the same people turn around and preach about the merits of individuality.
This is the same as saying I'm responsible if I throw a fifty into the street and the person who chases after it gets hit by a truck. The greedy idiot made the decision to walk into traffic, not me.Katatori-kun said:
cite?
Everything's a contest, but that's not what I'm doing here. I'm trying to get a better handle on your perspective because the emotional pain from words you're defending is completely beneath my understanding. Defending people in that situation is inconceivable to me. I do have ulterior motives, though. This isn't something I've argued a lot before and I like to do my homework before I get myself into contests.
I have always heard these terms used not as the actual meaning of the word but as a synonym instead. IN gaming mostly in MMO's or multiplayer game, calling someone a "retard" refers to the fact that hes actually stupid but they don't want to use that word. "That's gay" meaning "That's lame".
Most people don't react to such terms but some do get insulted by this fact. Depends on the tone it is said as well.
Most people don't react to such terms but some do get insulted by this fact. Depends on the tone it is said as well.
All my associates watch Retarded Policeman videos, so the word is more socially acceptable.
http://youtu.be/7Qrq48DSqlo
http://youtu.be/7Qrq48DSqlo
Retarded hasn't been a real term used by the medical community at large for decades.A Satanic Panda said:
Both are saddled with the title. The reason's kind of irrelevant.Moderated said:
Which in no way changes the fact that the term is still used fairly commonly, which is what his argument was in the first place (after you claimed the contrary).