Don't Write Kinect Off So Early
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Wait a minute, Star Wars one? Isn't that the one that a rail sword fighting game? How can possibly be good? So the reason there's all the rejection? Because we are not interested in motion controls, we do not want to flail around a room looking like 3 year old with some mental disorder. All that Kinect will do is break immersion and immersion is the point of video games. Lowering the price isn't going to change my mind, money, for me anyway, is no object when getting hardware or games. If I like something I will buy it. I do not like this.
I've written off kinect because it is imposssible to move a character in the game from one end of a room to the other without having an infinitely large room or walking into your tv. The leaning thing doesn't work because if you want to move your character forward for a prolonged period of time your back will start to hurt if you have to bend forward to move. All this thing can handle are on rails games, dancing, or minigames it's so limiting
When they release good games, I may consider giving Kinect a whirl via rental. At the present time, I have no interest in this blissful little family time games or petting digital tigers.
I have nothing to say that hasn't already been said, and I'm on the third or fourth page, so nobody is going to see it anyway. I yield my time and the floor to this comic [http://www.vgcats.com/comics/]. ...and that's all that needs to be said about Kinect.
To be fair Madworld, and Dragon Quest Swords are actually pretty good. Muramasa The Demon Blade has a love/hate relationship depending on the person. And of course you could wait it out for the new Kirby, Zelda, DK and Metroid. The rest I will admit, is crap.Jamie Doerschuck said:
Because it's a Peripheral. Peripherals by their nature have never added to the gaming experiance. The only exception is, obviously, controllers, like fighting sticks. Otherwise, peripherals are just plastic gimmicks.
Mad World, Kirby, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Metroid, Smash Bro's, Muramasa, Final Fantasy, Red Steel 2Lightslei said:
EDIT: Oh, shit, sorry for double post.
I am willing to give it a shot...eventually. However I dont have money for ANYTHING so Im just not buying it period.
Wii rip off is a silly arguement ultimatly. Want motion controls to get better? Then competition is key. Nintendo is the bar to beat. If someone beats it, then Nintendo will have to do better then they do, and thus, improvements and innovations occur.
Wii rip off is a silly arguement ultimatly. Want motion controls to get better? Then competition is key. Nintendo is the bar to beat. If someone beats it, then Nintendo will have to do better then they do, and thus, improvements and innovations occur.
Lean forward to accelerate or start moving, stand up straight to maintain speed, lean back to decelerate. Ok, so there could be other solutions, but it doesn't take a genius to think up a couple. Besides, if running on the spot works for the 100m hurdles in Kinect sports then you could just walk on the spot, there's no need to walk across your room. You could steer by moving one hand to any edge of the screen (not neccessarily right at the edge, just within a certain distance of, perhaps it could even turn faster the closer your hand is to the edge) to turn that way and the other hand for gesture based commands etc. Seriously, has anyone who is already dismissing Kinect actually thought about it for more than 5 minutes?mada7 said:
Yet if it would have been cheap enough, I bet the majority of people would have wanted the extra immersion that something like the Steel Battalion controller could provide. The controller is an extra step between player and game. The more natural that controller is, the more immersive the experience. Want a great star wars game? Give the player a lighsabre. Want a great shooting game? Give the player a gun. Ok, so Kinect arguably doesn't allow 'props' (although I bet it could if the publisher was willing to provide them with the game), but pointing a finger is still going to be more akin to pointing a gun than aiming a reticule using a thumbstick is. Movement is part of the player and thus the middle man is cut out. The benefit of Kinect (as apposed to the Wii or the Move) is that the lack of controller adds an extra layer of immersion (or more to the point it removes a barrier between player and game). It doesn't have to involve flailing around, because it's not limited to the movements of a little remote in your hand. Sure it'll probably take some getting used to (heck, who found the Resident Evil 'tank controls' intuitive the first time around?), but that doesn't make it harder, it just makes it different. I bet if you went back in time and handed a NES player an Xbox controller they would be confused as hell, but that wouldn't mean that the controller was a bad idea.SomethingAmazing said:
I'm saying this for the record more than anything - $150 and 4 people can play it with no peripherals.
To do that on the Wii:
4 Controllers 45 dollars each
4 Nunchuks 25 dollars each
4 MotionPlus 25 dollars each
Wii system - 210 dollars
= $490
On the PS3
System - 300 dollars
Camera - 50 dollars
4 moves - 50 each
4 sub-controllers - 30 dollars each
= $620
Source : http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365120,00.asp
On the 360
System - 300
Kinect - 150
= $450 dollars
360 is the best price going!
To do that on the Wii:
4 Controllers 45 dollars each
4 Nunchuks 25 dollars each
4 MotionPlus 25 dollars each
Wii system - 210 dollars
= $490
On the PS3
System - 300 dollars
Camera - 50 dollars
4 moves - 50 each
4 sub-controllers - 30 dollars each
= $620
Source : http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365120,00.asp
On the 360
System - 300
Kinect - 150
= $450 dollars
360 is the best price going!
Yeah, I think people who dismiss the tech purely because of the movement/navigation controls are lacking in imagination. Hell, at its most basic you could hold a controller and use gestures to supplement the game. The god-awful film 'Gamer' had a full-body gestural interface - holding a hand out advanced, an aggressive point attacked, etc etc. It might seem superfluous to game using gestures rather than a controller, but maybe it would be more intuitive. And easier to come back to - I'm getting pissed off with mouse FPS controls cos after a month of not using them my aim is too rusty to enjoy the games I used to rock at :/Mako SOLDIER said:
The autenticity and immersion weren't an afterthought at all, they were part of the original point of the game. The creator wanted you to be unable to play the game again if you couldn't shatter a glass panel to hit the EJECT switch quickly enough. He had to back down and implement continues and a plastic flip-cover over the switch, but the controller was still part of the original design. Until people have actually used Kinect, there is absolutely no evidence for the statement that it will sacrifice playability or responsiveness, that's just an assumption. Sure, the Wil did that, because the technology was flawed. Even the motion+ needed constant recalibration. With a camera that's not the case. I'm not saying you can't be right on this (you might indeed), just that at the moment the evidence really does point the other way. Kinect is, from specs and demonstrations, easily capable of some very exciting things. If the developers screw up then yeah, it'll just become another crappy gimmick, but when one of them actually gets it right it'll be something pretty darned special. Can anyone say an elder scrolls game where the speechcraft skill is replaced by your actual ability to logically barter with the AI? You could still be sitting down with a controller, but your voice and facial expressions would play a huge part in the game. Or how about a boxing title where you can actually duck and weave realistically (if anyone mentions Wii boxing, yes, it was rubbish, but that's becasue it tried to simulate boxing with the wiimote and nunchuck combo. That was never going to work)? Full body motion mapping in a boxing title is something that could work ridiculously well. Dragon based flight sim where you flap your arms like wings and roar for bursts of acceleration? You'd get tired (and have to fly to a suitable safe perch to roost and recover),sure, and you'd look and sound a little (or a lot) silly, but I bet you'd be grinning like an idiot by the end of it. There are so many possibilities that people are overlooking because they'd rather just dismiss anything new.SomethingAmazing said:
It will come down to the software, because the potential is there. Thing is, of course there will be shovelware, that's sadly Nintendo's biggest(and worst) achievement with the Wii: proving to MS and Sony that shovelware sells, but there will hopefully also be games that do something new and different with it (or just do something different with the genres we already love). It's way too early to be writing it off without thinking about it.
Totally agree, it's like people were born with controllers in their hands and can't understand the idea of not pressing A to jump and right trigger to shoot.Wicky_42 said: