Double standards against Nintendo

[MysticSlayer]

Morally corrupt is definitely a massive over-exaggeration. Anti-consumer though? I'd say it's pretty reasonable to say that. The whole practice of exclusives is designed to make you buy a console you wouldn't otherwise be interested in buying. It makes the consumer less likely to buy the games they want, but more likely to buy a console they don't. You even mention this problem in your post, that some of these companies have "little more to sell their consoles on than the games that are provided". This is something that you're defending? Because those are definitely the consoles I least want to buy to play a game

Well, ideally, we would have consoles that could sell themselves on more than just the games they have. Unfortunately, that is far from the current reality. Granted, Nintendo and Valve seem to be doing something slightly different compared to Sony and Microsoft, but as of right now, we really can't tell if they will actually be worthwhile. I mean, I'll probably still get a WiiU once I have the time and money, but most people don't really seem to be sold on its concept or games, and we're still waiting to see how the Steambox goes over.

Also, why and how is it the consumer's responsibilities to find solutions for a business practice that negatively affects them? They don't exactly have the power to change corporate policy beyond criticizing things they don't like. I realize that it's something that is difficult to change, if one console decides to give up on exclusives that will just make the other ones look better. That still doesn't mean I shouldn't think it's a shitty business practice

I'm not saying we have to come up with the business strategy. I'm just saying we need to be willing to work with companies to find the best solution. The problem is that a lot of gamers, at least from what I've seen, tend to think that their way is the only way it should be, often ignoring the simple reality that if something isn't profitable for a company then it won't get to us. This becomes incredibly problematic when most gamers know little, if anything, about business and economics, much less the numbers of these companies, yet act as if they know everything. I don't have a problem with looking out for your own interests, but doing so at the expense of everyone else is hardly something I find admirable.

Of course, companies aren't entirely without fault here. They're excessively secretive and only partially concerned about cooperation at best, but I also do not think gamers are entirely without fault here.

 

[C14N]

The thing is I'm not trying to prove anything. It's not like I'm being trialed and I have to defend myself or something or I go to jail. Neither I try to brainwash people and have them all change their mind.
I said something that I know of,now if somebody doesn't believe me,I really don't care.
I won't move my ass of the chair to start looking in the whole house to see if there is still somewhere a copy of a magazine from so many years ago just to prove to a person on the internet that it's true. Too much hassle for something insignificant.

Then why did you try to claim Nintendo blacklists review sites that refuse to give their games perfect scores without proof?Most people would ask you to back up your assertions.[/quote]

Well excuse me but I don't hold a record with everything Nintendo does in my house,I have better things to spend my time and my apartment's space with. But does that mean that I will stop talking about things I know and telling them ?
Really,your argument is so silly like if you told someone that human bodies consist of atoms, and he asked you to carry a microscope with you to show him that in fact atoms exist,or stop saying that atoms exist.[/quote]

Well if the only person you had ever heard the concept of from was an anonymous stranger on the internet who had no source to reference besides "I heard that once" then it would be very logical to be sceptical about it. As it is, the fact that you aren't on trial doesn't change the fact that you made a pretty serious allegation about a company (that they are secretly coercing reviewers into good press and scores) without any source at all, not even the name of the magazine in question so everyone here would be pretty wise to not believe you.

Also from earlier:
"Have you ever wondered why all Nintendo games get almost always perfect scores even if they look worse,sound worse,and have or do nothing new in comparison to games that are better in all these and get way lower scores ?"

No they don't. Here are some first party Nintendo Metascores, none of which are positive:
[URL="{www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/wii-sports-club}" (title,target)]{Here}[/URL]
[URL="{www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/mario-party-island-tour}" (title,target)]{Here}[/URL]
[URL="{www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/wii-party-u}" (title,target)]{Here}[/URL]
[URL="{www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/wii-karaoke-u}" (title,target)]{Here}[/URL]
[URL="{www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/game-wario}" (title,target)]{Here}[/URL]


Personally I wouldn't say Nintendo get much hate. They're just ignored for the most part. The Wii U seems to have done very little to try and be something notable. It spent it's first year with most of its good games just being ports of games from the previous generation and it's probably the most confusing console overall. For a normal consumer, it's hard to know much about it, especially given the lack of advertising. Is it a whole new console? Is it just an upgraded version of the Wii (the way the PS3 Slim is an upgraded PS3)? How does that tablet thingy work? Do I still need Wii controllers? and so on. Also, a lot of those 100m Wii sales were people who basically treated it as a novelty toy. They got one for Christmas or a birthday and played a bit of Wii Sports and thought "oh that's pretty cool" and then it gathered dust for years after.

It was supposed to ignite a larger interest in gaming but it was more of a brief spark imo. My parents played a bit of Wii (despite never playing games before that) but they weren't going out and buying any extra games for it and I'd say that happened a lot. From a gamer's perspective, I loved the Wii U when it first came out and it was a good place to get games for the first 1-3 years but after that it was a wilderness. Skyward Sword was the last thing I played on my Wii and I remember not having played it for ages before that (previous time was for Mario Galaxy 2, and I thought the same thing then) so looking at the Wii U, I can't help imagining the same thing will happen again. There'll be a Zelda, Smash Bros, some Mario and maybe some Metroid but other than that, I just can't see much that shows Nintendo is turning this one around in a big way from last time.

 

[JetFury]

Did I miss something in the news or am I not paying attention to a shift in the forums?

We've had a bunch of "Nintendo is awesome!" threads popping up lately complaining about how everyone is so anti-Nintendo but I don't see these anti-Nintendo people popping up. Am I not paying attention?

I mean, yeah, I jumped off the Nintendo ship with the Wii and don't plan on getting the Wii U; that doesn't mean I hate Nintendo, I just have no interest in what they bring to the table compared to the other video game options out there.

This lol. Its always this. People hate sony or microsoft but tend to be indifferent to Nintendo at most