Double Standards, anyone?

[artanis_neravar]

One, what you posted isn't a double standard; it's just somebody being an idiot. That and I've seen both men and women pull that kind of stunt, so you can't claim that this is something only women do. Two, I fail to understand the argument that women can't have equal rights and be treated with common courtesy at the same time. Why, yes, I would like equal pay to a man for the same work, and yes, I would like for my date to get the door for me. Mind you, I don't think that only women deserve "special treatment". Everyone can appreciate common courtesy.

To reply to your question, here's my favorite double standard: If a man gets a door for a woman, it's chivalrous. If a woman gets a door for a man, then he's less of a man to go through it.
Seriously, I have tried to open doors for men before and they refused to go through first. I was just trying to be nice, not challenge your masculinity.

Well the last part of your response shot down my counter-argument, well played

 

[retyopy]

'Men, always forget to put the toiletseat down, how inconsiderable."

my reply:

'No, you @^&*%, you forgot to put it UP!'

I was just about to add this, well played.

Girl breaks up with guy, "God, get over it, can't you see she doesn't want you?" guy breaks up with girl, "gee, that Bill sure is an ass."

And don't tell me this doesn't happen. I've seen it.

My friends would say "Forget the *****".

Not friends, obviously. But, just the general female community.

 

[Toriver]

Umm... OP, your example isn't a gender-based double standard, it's a cheap arguing tactic used by men, women and children alike. Mostly by children. Lose an argument to a woman, did you? Life goes on.

 

[Spoonius]

If a girl decides to have an abortion, she risks being frowned upon by those close to her.

If a guy decides that his girl is having an abortion, he goes to jail for aggravated battery.

WTF?...

 

[peruvianskys]

Here are some of the complaints men have:

- If I break something, a woman will blame me but I can't blame a woman for breaking something.
- I can't make jokes about hitting a woman but women can joke about hitting me.
- I'm not allowed to stare at women's bodies but women are allowed to stare at me.
- I can't use derogatory language directed towards women but women can.

Here are some complaints women have:

- One out of every five women will be raped, but only one out of 165 men will be.
- I work the same job as a man, but get paid on average twenty-five cents less an hour.
- I have a 300% higher chance of being murdered by my spouse than a man does.
- I am more likely to die of gender-neutral diseases, and a lower percentage of medical funding goes towards my sex-specific diseases despite their prevalence being higher.
- The vast majority of religious organizations will not allow me any semblance of authority or power despite me showing equal skill with a man.


In short, stop fucking whining, you over-privileged brats. Boo fucking hoo. No one cares if you can't stare at tits or that you have to be extra nice to those pesky ladies, lest they period themselves everywhere over you. Until you're afraid of walking home in the dark, I don't care.

 

[Finebrew]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

Car insurance is based on the likely hood of you getting into an accident and what kind of car you drive. In Canada women pay less because they better and safer drivers than men. There never was any special treatment, insurance rates are 100% a numbers game.

YOUR likelihood of getting into an accident is based on YOUR driving history and abilities, not your gender. You shot holes in your own argument in the same paragraph that you made it. Everyone paying the same rates is fair. Everyone getting penalized equally for accidents is fair. Likewise, everyone getting equally rewarded for a clean driving record is fair. Having different rates for different genders, no matter what the statistics say (the situation is FAR more complex than you spun it to be), is sexist. End of story.

I wish I lived where you do. I have never even gotten a ticket let alone been in a wreck but I still pay more.

 

[retyopy]

Here are some of the complaints men have:

- If I break something, a woman will blame me but I can't blame a woman for breaking something.
- I can't make jokes about hitting a woman but women can joke about hitting me.
- I'm not allowed to stare at women's bodies but women are allowed to stare at me.
- I can't use derogatory language directed towards women but women can.

Here are some complaints women have:

- One out of every five women will be raped, but only one out of 165 men will be.
- I work the same job as a man, but get paid on average twenty-five cents less an hour.
- I have a 300% higher chance of being murdered by my spouse than a man does.
- I am more likely to die of gender-neutral diseases, and a lower percentage of medical funding goes towards my sex-specific diseases despite their prevalence being higher.
- The vast majority of religious organizations will not allow me any semblance of authority or power despite me showing equal skill with a man.


In short, stop fucking whining, you over-privileged brats. Boo fucking hoo. No one cares if you can't stare at tits or that you have to be extra nice to those pesky ladies, lest they period themselves everywhere over you. Until you're afraid of walking home in the dark, I don't care.

well, what do you want us to do? spontaenously become women?

 

[Lilani]

So yeah, my fellow Escapists. Have you ever been faced with the 'double standard' when interacting with women in some shape or form?

My favorite one is when a man makes a mistake, he is whipped at by the woman for making it, to a ridiculous point, but when the woman does it, its all fine. If you try to point out that its actually her fault, you just get more backslash from her, and then it SOMEHOW gets pinned on YOU.

What is your favourite?

See, the problem is you're talking about the bitchy women and making it out as though we're all like that. Protip--every gender has its bad apples. Guys are not so innocent when it comes to these "double standards," either. Why is it a guy can sleep with a bunch of women he's a stud, but if a woman sleeps with a bunch of guys she's a slut? Why is it when a guy gets into a car accident it's because it's an accident, but when a woman has an accident it's because she's a woman? Why is it that guys in fantasy films and games get reasonable armor, while all the women get is chainmail bikinis? Why are all the famous male porn stars all ugly as sin?

There are double-standards everywhere, on both sides of the issue. Men are no less guilty than women, and to say otherwise only shows your own naivete and inexperience in the world. There are plenty of bitches and douchebags in the world. There's no need to be pointing fingers at who is the worse person, because really, they're all bad.

 

[Jaime_Wolf]

Yes, equality does demand respect for men too. Yes, there are double standards that negatively impact men too.

But Jesus Christ are you missing the point if you think that the double standards men face are comparable in scope to those faced by women.

We have a few bigger fucking problems than the fact that men are more liable to be called out by women for mistakes (to the extent that this is even true - women just get fucked over in different ways for mistakes).

 

[thirion1850]

Not to be rude to anyone of course, but this typically comes from my overly traditional mother.

"Ohh, I'm a weak, frail woman. "

5 minutes later.

"Hey! Women are equal to men and can do anything you can, and even better!"

At this point (insert task here) can be done by its self for all I care.

 

[hooksashands]

Honestly can't recall being abused by a woman in the past week. Or month. Or year. Why are these topics such a bedlam of debate? Can't we just tell some funny stories and move on?

There was an argument that broke out in the local meat deli shop, where I was standing behind this lady and she kept arguing with the cashier over the price of some sliced lamb she bought, saying he had overweighed the price and citing that historically every man thinks women are bad at math and beating him over the head with stupid examples and just carrying on loud enough to wake the dead until finally I step in front of her, show the packaged pastrami I was buying, tossed my money on the counter, then started out. And as I'm walking out, she says to me "Way to go, fuckface! I knew you were waiting. I would have bought it for your inconvenience!"

And I guess my point is the cashier and I were both laughing too hard to be angry, but if it were one irate man cursing out two women it would equal instant jail time.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Here are some of the complaints men have:

- If I break something, a woman will blame me but I can't blame a woman for breaking something.
- I can't make jokes about hitting a woman but women can joke about hitting me.
- I'm not allowed to stare at women's bodies but women are allowed to stare at me.
- I can't use derogatory language directed towards women but women can.

Here are some complaints women have:

- One out of every five women will be raped, but only one out of 165 men will be.
- I work the same job as a man, but get paid on average twenty-five cents less an hour.
- I have a 300% higher chance of being murdered by my spouse than a man does.
- I am more likely to die of gender-neutral diseases, and a lower percentage of medical funding goes towards my sex-specific diseases despite their prevalence being higher.
- The vast majority of religious organizations will not allow me any semblance of authority or power despite me showing equal skill with a man.


In short, stop fucking whining, you over-privileged brats. Boo fucking hoo. No one cares if you can't stare at tits or that you have to be extra nice to those pesky ladies, lest they period themselves everywhere over you. Until you're afraid of walking home in the dark, I don't care.

I'm afraid to walk home alone in the dark, fucking terrified

 

[Princess Rose]

As I had to say to the last 3 people that felt the need to inform me about something I already know allow me to clarify again, I'M NOT A MORON.

I know why women had cheaper insurance.

My point was that women keep banging on about equal rights. If you want equal rights then you get equal rights in EVERYTHING, not just the parts that suit you.

Yeah, except MY point was that car insurance has NOTHING AT ALL to do with equal rights.

Men's casual clothing is cheaper than women's casual clothing.
Men's formal clothing is more expensive than women's formal clothing.

Some things cost more for women than men, and vice versa. That has absoutely nothing to do with equal rights.

Adding an arbitrary fee to women's car insurance to make it "equal" doesn't make it equal - it puts an unfair penalty on women. You don't see men being charged more for underpants because women's panties are more expensive than briefs.

The double standard comes in from having to pay equal to men and then complaining about it. Thats not wanting equal rights.

You're right - that isn't wanting equal rights - because there is no "Right to Fair Prices" in the Constitution. There is no right to prices AT ALL. Business can charge what they want for a good or service.

Your argument concerning car insurance makes no sense. It has absolutely nothing to do with women's rights (either for or against). What you described with the insurance - that's just price gouging. Women don't get cheaper prices because they're women - they get it because they get into less accidents, and people who get into less accidents PAY LESS FOR CAR INSURANCE. That's how the system works. Making women pay more, just because they're women, is NOT making anything equal. Men who have good driving records will see their rates LOWERED because of good driving (at least if they have a half-way decent insurance company). Penalizing women is NOT equality for men.

 

[Nathan Crumpler]

Here are some of the complaints men have:

- If I break something, a woman will blame me but I can't blame a woman for breaking something.
- I can't make jokes about hitting a woman but women can joke about hitting me.
- I'm not allowed to stare at women's bodies but women are allowed to stare at me.
- I can't use derogatory language directed towards women but women can.

Here are some complaints women have:

- One out of every five women will be raped, but only one out of 165 men will be.
- I work the same job as a man, but get paid on average twenty-five cents less an hour.
- I have a 300% higher chance of being murdered by my spouse than a man does.
- I am more likely to die of gender-neutral diseases, and a lower percentage of medical funding goes towards my sex-specific diseases despite their prevalence being higher.
- The vast majority of religious organizations will not allow me any semblance of authority or power despite me showing equal skill with a man.


In short, stop fucking whining, you over-privileged brats. Boo fucking hoo. No one cares if you can't stare at tits or that you have to be extra nice to those pesky ladies, lest they period themselves everywhere over you. Until you're afraid of walking home in the dark, I don't care.

I don't believe any person said anything about men having it harder than women or that these double standards are a serious problem. We are just a bunch of people having a discussion. I don't have to argue whether all or must of the things you mentioned are true, because they are irrelevant to this conversation.

Also, who said you had to care?

 

[Chelsea O'shea]

All the time. When a women has sex with a bunch of men, she's labeled a slut. But if a man does it, he's labeled as gay.

It's bullshit I tell you.

problem in your logic,all a girl has to do to get laid is open her legs(in most cases) while a man has to suck up to a respectable woman a while to get some(or find the slut with her legs open if he isn't a real man)

i am a woman by the way and i still see this double standard.

as for the topic of this thread,yes it happens alot and the way to stop it is to not let it get pinned on you,the logic idea is your best bet in any case.

 

[peruvianskys]

well, what do you want us to do? spontaenously become women?

You don't have to be ashamed of being a man, it's just obnoxious to hear so many guys complain about double standards when they clearly have it so much better than women. The proper response is just acknowledging it, that's all.

I don't believe any person said anything about men having it harder than women or that these double standards are a serious problem. We are just a bunch of people having a discussion. I don't have to argue whether all or must of the things you mentioned are true, because they are irrelevant to this conversation.

Also, who said you had to care?

Like I said, as a guy it's just annoying to see other guys complain about this stuff. It's a silly and ignorant conversation to have, seeing as the prevailing attitude here clearly is that double standards are a serious issue, which they aren't. So if you want to have a conversation about how annoying it is that women can grab your ass but you can't grab theirs, fine, but I just wanted to say something after seeing all these people who say absurd things like "Women don't really want to be treated equally!" or "Women still want to preserve double standards that favor them."

 

[Nisselue]

Why is it a guy can sleep with a bunch of women he's a stud, but if a woman sleeps with a bunch of guys she's a slut?

Maybe because i am a heterosexual guy who got no interest in women who sleep with a lot of men.
Maybe because i am a heterosexual guy who got no interest in other mens sexual lifes at all.

So since i am a man and i am interested in having a girl as my sexual partner i would like a women who hasn't had a lot of penises inside of her many holes. I just do not like the idea of having sex with my girlfriend knowing in the back of my head that a lot og guys have done awesome stuff to her. That is why i do not want a slut as my girlfriend, i do not have anything against sluts i am happy for them doing what they like, but i do not want a slut as my partner.

When it comes to guys being studs that is fairly simple, i am a guy, i am a heterosexual guy, i like women not men. Therefore i really do not care how many women men have slept with be it 0 or 9999. I never have to worrie about getting a boyfriend and thinking about all those girls or men he has slept with. As with the sluts i do not have anything against studs sleeping with whoever they want, i will just find a women who fits my preferences.

You all can say what you want about me being insecure and that i need to suck it up or be more of a man etc, but i do not give a flying fuck. I will have a girlfriend who has the same sexual morals as i have if i cannot find that then i will just continue masturbating.

Why is it that guys in fantasy films and games get reasonable armor, while all the women get is chainmail bikinis?

Because it is men creating movies and videogames for men? If you had woman creating movies and videogames for women you get stuff like Twilight and Sex and the City. Don't tell me those vampires in Twilight aren't shiny.
Conan the Barbarian from 1982 with Arnold as conan was running around in a loincloth and a sword only. So that's pretty similar to the women in chainmail-bikinis.

 

[ckam]

You can't hit a girl, but she can hit you?

There is one that I really hated: Call someone a *****, you get a warning. Call someone a ******, you get suspended from school.

 

[Exius Xavarus]

The point is that I am not a supremacist, as you have said. It just pisses me off how some women say they thrive to ensure equal rights, and still draw benefits from 'special treatment'.

It should be either, not both.

Women don't desire equality, they desire superiority. They want anything good about being equals with men, while retaining the special treatment they so much deserve, apparently. And then you'll get these girls that just act inferior, but still demand equality. The way I see it, you act inferior, you are inferior. You want to be an equal, act like it. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't believe in superiority or inferiority. I don't see anyone better or worse than another. But that doesn't mean I'll tolerate people trying to act like they're better than me. If women want to be treated as equals, that's exactly how I'll treat them. I don't tolerate double standard bullshit, and I have no business with girls who believe they can pull that on me.

 

[Nathan Crumpler]

well, what do you want us to do? spontaenously become women?

You don't have to be ashamed of being a man, it's just obnoxious to hear so many guys complain about double standards when they clearly have it so much better than women. The proper response is just acknowledging it, that's all.

I don't believe any person said anything about men having it harder than women or that these double standards are a serious problem. We are just a bunch of people having a discussion. I don't have to argue whether all or must of the things you mentioned are true, because they are irrelevant to this conversation.

Also, who said you had to care?

Like I said, as a guy it's just annoying to see other guys complain about this stuff. It's a silly and ignorant conversation to have, seeing as the prevailing attitude here clearly is that double standards are a serious issue, which they aren't. So if you want to have a conversation about how annoying it is that women can grab your ass but you can't grab theirs, fine, but I just wanted to say something after seeing all these people who say absurd things like "Women don't really want to be treated equally!" or "Women still want to preserve double standards that favor them."

Understandable, but you didn't have to read this thread. I'm pretty sure you knew what was being said before you clicked on it. So as far as I'm concerned, you are the douche for barging into this somewhat friendly conversation and telling every one to shut up. Also, how is this line of thinking logical? One person cannot complain because another person has it worse? How ever bad it is for a woman living in America, I'm pretty sure you can find a different group who has it worse. Should they be the only people allowed to talk about their problems? If you want to have a pissing contest over who has it worse, you can start your own thread about it.